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Re: Archeology

Postby hoi.polloi on March 10th, 2017, 8:09 pm

VonCrowne » March 10th, 2017, 4:20 pm wrote:Inasmuch as I have taken a great interest in the ancient near east, it was of interest to me when this article came across a news feed today, particularly, for the mention of Ramses II (who is a noteworthy character for many reasons with which I will not exhaust you).

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/egypt-pharaoh-ramses-statue-discovered-cairo/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=link_fb20170310news-trendingpharoh&utm_campaign=Content&sf61413149=1

So, that doesn't read too bad. Of course, my gut instinct is not to believe it; so, I offer this for the scrutinizing eyes of the forum, as I see, at least, a missing leg...

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Thank you for not merely "offering" (i.e.; demanding) people research for you rather than doing original research for everyone, but I am not sure your contribution of "a missing leg" is all that interesting. Is it impossible for the perspective to be obscuring the central character's leg, as it may be standing on the other part of the statue and foreshortened behind his torso?

Also, you could certainly summarize the relevant information about Ramses without going into depth, if it's not just speculation, rumor and hearsay but your actual personal research.

Not to derail, but I feel like people are starting to forget the reason we have this forum, which is to actually teach the public how to research rather than alluding to some personal inaccessible knowledge.
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Re: Archeology

Postby VonCrowne on March 10th, 2017, 8:42 pm

Is it impossible for the perspective to be obscuring the central character's leg, as it may be standing on the other part of the statue and foreshortened behind his torso?


Yes, it would seem impossible; those are fairly large pieces of the statue. The other leg is apparently not on the head; the only option left is that the other leg is on the torso, which does not seem possible.

Also, you could certainly summarize the relevant information about Ramses without going into depth, if it's not just speculation, rumor and hearsay but your actual personal research.


I'm afraid not without great detail; and so, I had two reasons for the purpose of this post: 1. In order to document, what I think, is fakery concerning archeological finds, which, I feel, are leading to bigger charades to come. 2. As a have mentioned previously, I am well-researched in the area of the near east and the ancient schools of philosophy and religion; and, at this point, I am acting circumspectly concerning what I have compiled due to its delving into areas of religious and esoteric knowledge. So, as far as this forum is concerned - as I believe on another active post it was stated that the purpose of the forum was to scrutinize media fakery - I felt I may be stepping out of bounds (to pursue these angles).
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Re: Archeology

Postby brianv on March 11th, 2017, 12:37 am

I do agree about the perspective however there's and abundance of blue stripeyness, which used to raise an eyebrow around here!
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Re: Archeology

Postby hoi.polloi on March 11th, 2017, 10:23 pm

Blue stripes, fine.

VonCrowne wrote:... the only option left is that the other leg is on the torso, which does not seem possible.


Excuse me, but why would that not be possible? Implausible I understand, but still disagree with, perhaps.

Unless it can be shown we are looking at the figure from an angle that would prevent them from standing spread eagle as people are wont to do on rocks/debris. Not sure how young everyone is on this board, but it's a plausible stance.

I would like to suggest that if an event like this is faked, they would not even need to photoshop anything (though we are all aware they are perfectly capable) due to the very elite, exclusive, close-knit community that archeologists in the media seem to keep.

Let us remember staging, staging, staging! Arguably the biggest truth Simon uncovered in September Clues is that people lie together for profit and they will use lazy shortcut methods of keeping questions at bay.

And remember, our job here is to indicate the most easily understood and indefensibly bad cases of fakery, not just assume fake and then extrapolate. (Anyway, I congratulate everyone on their skepticism but also I feel like we need to teach people how to research and reach our conclusions.)
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Re: Archeology

Postby VonCrowne on March 11th, 2017, 11:48 pm

From what I am seeing, the distance to the torso is easily too far; also, he would not be standing upright (perfectly upright) if in that position. At what point did they keep digging with heavy equipment when they realized that a monument of antiquity lay under - before they broke out the feather dusters (not shown)? The whole picture doesn't make sense; and, yes, I duly noted the stripe-y, checker-y shirts, but did not feel it was even worth a mention.

It is not my estimation that anything needed to be photo-shopped. From my perspective, for the most part of the last sixty or seventy years, we, in the civilized world, have been able to live life according to our conscience. We have the ability to participate in activism; we have the ability to discuss Media Fakery on the internet. No one has come in the middle of the night to remove any of us; and, so, this goes to your last point: I do not believe these things are done for money; that's an easy trick of the printing press. Staging was not necessary, as you stated, it is a close-knit group. It is my theory that this 'missing leg' (that I guess only I am able to see) is an 'in-your-face', a message to everyone who has the ability to see through the charade (and to come to their own conclusions). For the most part, no one has forced anyone in this society to see anything that they didn't want to see. The Individual is allowed to make his own decision, his own reality, which, these days, is an illusion that he is comfortable to live with. Neither do I hope to play into that group: If I am wrong, then I am wrong; of course, I don't think I am wrong.
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