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Re: 9/11 & freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby fizban1977 on July 10th, 2012, 6:58 am

simonshack wrote:
fizban1977 wrote:All these symbols have esoteric meanings, and once you learn them? You realize that Simon is 100 percent CORRECT.


Huh? :huh:
I can't recall having ever discussed esoteric meanings much (or at all), fizban. Care to clarify what you are referring to? Did you mean another Simon - or perhaps the op of this thread, SmokingGunII?


Read after the quote you posted in my original message. :)

"This isn't a small group of people. This is a coordinated attack on peoples perceptions." That is what I was referring to when I said Simon was 100 percent correct.

You seem to be the ONLY site out there that understands this. In my opinion they are all doing this for a reason. Almost all of these "truth sites" are going the new age route. Whether anyone else comes to that conclusion? I can't make that choice for them. They have to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. I will point out the obvious though, and since this was a thread about symbolism (that I didn't create) I felt compelled to show much of what I have learned.

As a reply to the other post (not you Simon). Related to my previous posts... Madonna superbowl half time show had the same symbol, just re versed.

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I mean...is that a fake photo as well? You can watch video of the performance lol :).
http://youtu.be/79my-rMWf5Q?t=8m52s

Of course there is a CROWN on the top and the roman wreath. I am not trying to make enemies here. I have never claimed to be a prophet, or to have visions or anything of the like. The fact that I was labeled as such? Laughable to me.

Another example. This was "Through the wormhole with Morgan Freeman". Episode about "superior race" and evol (love re versed, evil phonetically) lution etc. Of course they had another "scientist" later in the show saying Ashkenazi Jews were the smartest human beings and had the highest IQ's... Pro pagan da. :)

Look at the man's ring. You can't make this stuff up. Once you know the symbols, hand gestures? You will see them everywhere. :)
http://youtu.be/fdti5Rr8rhs?t=20m2s

Pause at around 20:04. Yeah...
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Re: 9/11 & freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby fizban1977 on July 10th, 2012, 7:20 am

fbenario wrote:I'm one of the folks who doesn't care about astrology/numerology, although I don't think any topic teaching folks that things are not as they appear can be entirely bad. I've always enjoyed looking at the obvious planning of the layout of Hadrian's Tomb, 2nd Century AD, at the right (later renamed Castell Sant'Angelo, and star-shaped fortifications added in the Renaissance period, by the Vatican).

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I also like looking at the obvious planning in L'Enfant's layout for Washington, DC.

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Kevin Durant and James Harden of the Oklahoma City Thunder are my two favorite athletes today in any sport (after Tiger, who will remain for the rest of my life my favorite athlete of all-time).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Durant


We all have our favorite athletes and musicians. I have always played and loved sports. My favorite athletes? Barry Sanders/Michael Jordan. Currently? Calvin Johnson. Denard Robinson (University of Michigan).

Watch Harden's hands after he hits the three vs San Antonio. Compare it to Lebron James pregame ritual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSSKgnvU ... u.be&t=16s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXONAk6Q ... be&t=1m25s

Same symbols. :)

I thought Harden purposely bombed that finals. That is just my opinion though. :)
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Re: Sci-Fi Fathers of NASA (Arthur C. Clarke, Rodenberry, et

Postby fizban1977 on July 10th, 2012, 10:10 am

Maat wrote:
fizban1977 wrote:The first captain of the Enterprise was Christopher Pike. Always thought this was a nod to Albert Pike. Has a statue in Washington. Wrote Morals and Dogma, where he said this.
http://libertyforlife.com/religion/imag ... er-god.jpg

Wrote about 3 world wars. Helped start the KKK. This guy was one busy Confederate general.

The monolith in 2001 in the book is a pyramid. It was changed to a rectangle by Kuberick. Many have said that the monolith is the movie screen and manipulated perception. This was the same guy who made Eyes Wide Shut. :)

Hi Fizban,

Since Pike is a quite common name it could just as easily have been a reference to the Pike Expedition as anything else, being the 1st official American exploration of the western Great Plains & Rocky Mountains in what is now Colorado ;) (even 5 British Royal Navy ships were named HMS Pike). We can only speculate on the scriptwriter's reasons for that name choice though, of course.

However, I must ask you to please include the original webpage source link to that and all images/info you post.

I would also recommend reading my post regarding the dissemination of that specifically clipped out of context quote here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2371503


Only one problem with the wikipedia article. First mistake is thinking that the pyramid is what the intent was.

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See what you can spell from these letters. That is called an anagram.
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Of course WICCA pedia also is absurd when it comes to the "Star of David". Then again they show you the exact same symbol under this article. Of course you can't call Kabbalah, the occult right? Even though that is EXACTLY what it is. Pike referred to Kabbalah a lot. Pike even said that all the symbols were owed to Kabbalah. In fact? They can all be found around Da'at in the Sephirot. The Baphomet star, the "star of david", the compass around G (which sits where Da'at is).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_(magic)

Modern day masonry doesn't follow Kabbalah though right? Oh wait...they say that is EXACTLY what Masonry is.
http://mill-valley.freemasonry.biz/worrel/kabbalah.htm

Amos 5:26 "You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god[a]—
which you made for yourselves."

The Lucifer article you linked? Lucifer is simply an occult name they have given Satan, and it means light bringer. He is a morning star (Isaiah says as much). Job says there was more then one morning star. The stars are angels, the morning stars were higher angels before the throne of YHWH. (Job says the stars and morning stars cried out in joy at the creation of the earth). We even know he was a Cherubim (King of Tyre in Ezekiel which is prophesy that has not happened yet, besides his fall, and we even know what he was a guardian Cherub).

The site you linked is written by a Mason. He calls Kipling BROTHER MASON, in the article on the same link. The biblical references from a Masonic website? Balaam in the bible book of Numbers repeatedly talked about the "third eye". He was an occultist and later killed. Just because he said YHWH was God, doesn't mean he was a true servant of YHWH.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

As far as organized religions claiming to be Christian? You mean the same people that made the holy day "SUN" day? What did Yeshua say?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... rsion=NASB

Pretty obvious that all these organizations are not from Yeshua. Now the Christians who were and whom had no real hierarchy? They were burned as human torches in the night by Nero.

The masons using the Catholic Church whom did exactly what Yeshua said not to do, to try to clear their name is laughable. All roads leadeth to Rome. Except on Infowars. :)

Ask a Mason why the North of the lodge is dark. Where does YHWH repeatedly say he is coming from? The North...
http://bible.cc/job/37-22.htm
Ask them what Tubal Cain means. If they are a lower degree? They won't know the answer for either. Higher? They know, but won't tell you. Bond? 007? Two balls and a cain. Tubal Cain.

Albert Pike made it quite clear he was a follower of the occult/Kabbalah. Repeatedly. Crowley talked about Kabbalah repeatedly. The symbols they use? Are from the Kabbalah.

I don't see how anyone could defend Albert Pike or Masonry in all seriousness, unless you follow Kabbalah and the occult, or are just very, very misinformed. Pike and MAsons have made it very clear whom they serve and so does the symbolism. How about we take a close look at that Star Trek Symbol. An "ascending star" located inside...yeah...Who was it that said they would ascend and raise their throne above the stars of God?
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Re: 9/11 & freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby fbenario on July 11th, 2012, 1:48 am

fizban1977 wrote:We all have our favorite athletes and musicians. I have always played and loved sports. My favorite athletes? Barry Sanders/Michael Jordan. Currently? Calvin Johnson. Denard Robinson (University of Michigan).
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I thought Harden purposely bombed that finals.

Why would he purposely bomb it? These guys get more fame and more money, and thus more power, when they win championships.

And how could you be so parochial and narrow-minded as to only lists folks playing for Midwest teams as your all-time faves? That indicates you are merely a 'homer', who cares only about athletes who help 'your' teams win. I'm from Atlanta, still here 50 years later, and if I only listed Herschel Walker, Hank Aaron, and Dominique Wilkins as my all-time faves, it would show I know nothing about sports. That's like a Manchester kid saying his fave all-time is Ryan Giggs, or a Belfast kid saying his all-time fave is Pat Jennings. No one cares about such localism.

Care to try again? How could Denard Robinson be anyone's fave of all-time? He's only played two college seasons. How old are you, 15?
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Re: 9/11 & freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby fizban1977 on July 11th, 2012, 8:29 am

fbenario wrote:
fizban1977 wrote:We all have our favorite athletes and musicians. I have always played and loved sports. My favorite athletes? Barry Sanders/Michael Jordan. Currently? Calvin Johnson. Denard Robinson (University of Michigan).
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I thought Harden purposely bombed that finals.

Why would he purposely bomb it? These guys get more fame and more money, and thus more power, when they win championships.

And how could you be so parochial and narrow-minded as to only lists folks playing for Midwest teams as your all-time faves? That indicates you are merely a 'homer', who cares only about athletes who help 'your' teams win. I'm from Atlanta, still here 50 years later, and if I only listed Herschel Walker, Hank Aaron, and Dominique Wilkins as my all-time faves, it would show I know nothing about sports. That's like a Manchester kid saying his fave all-time is Ryan Giggs, or a Belfast kid saying his all-time fave is Pat Jennings. No one cares about such localism.

Care to try again? How could Denard Robinson be anyone's fave of all-time? He's only played two college seasons. How old are you, 15?


Why does ESPN/Disney/ABC (same company) have the Heat index on the ESPN main page? The officiating was horrible. Harden is an olympic quality athlete and suddenly was the worst player on the floor in the finals?

Look up Joey Crawford, and all the NBA refs. You will see that it is a family business and most have relatives who are officials in other sports. Do you realize just how many billions of dollars are riding on these games worldwide? David Stern is in the council on foreign relations...

http://www.jpost.com/topic/David_Stern

As far as Calvin Johnson? He is the best WR in the NFL. Michael Jordan? I hated the Bulls, I was a Pistons fan, but Jordan was fun to watch. Denard Robinson? My favorite college player to watch. I do not think he will be a NFL quality QB, but he is a blast to watch run. Denard isn't even my favorite Michigan player. That would be Woodson. BTW I thought Dominique Wilkins was fantastic and more of an "athletic freak" then Lebron, and no I am not 15...

BTW just because I enjoyed watching Michael Jordan, doesn't mean I idolize him or even admire him as a person. This is his sister Deloris Jordan. She was sexually abused by Jordan's father who was military. You often see MK Ultra and military together. *cough* Tiger Woods. Her (Deloris) whole life revolves around helping people with similar problems. You have never heard of her and you never will. Instead you will see Jordan (who is in the Boule society/black free masonry, Lebron has their logo tattooed on his chest) crying over his father's death and celebrating his finals on ESPN.

http://www.delorisejordan.org/HOME.html

Disney Sports...
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The peace sign doesn't mean what you think it does. It is the rebirth, the upside down triangle, the bottom of the "star of david" (occult symbol) the feminine. Whose rebirth? Most people use it without knowing. Then again Magic Johnson is holding up the same symbol (666) I linked Harden/Lebron flashing during games. Bird rocked the number 33.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sigil_of_Lucifer.svg

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This is why you see people like Alex Jones use the V constantly, V for victory, emulating the V for Vendetta. Vulcan sign and on and on and on.

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Sports are here to entertain us and keep us stupid and busy and to prevent revolt, just like they used sports in Rome. I play them, and enjoy watching gifted athletes. I am not naive enough to think it is totally on the up and up though, nor do I think most of these players are who we think they are.

Why one eye on the book cover Tebow?
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Did you really think people who would create a fake media "terror attack", fake the moon landings, spacewalks, would leave billions of dollars worldwide on gambling to chance? You underestimate them.
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Re: Sci-Fi Fathers of NASA (Arthur C. Clarke, Rodenberry, et

Postby fizban1977 on July 11th, 2012, 9:47 am

Maat wrote:Fizban,
I asked you to provide the webpage source links for all images you post. Please do so.

As I explained before, anyone can believe whatever they wish, but beliefs based on others' perceptions, opinions and misinformation are not helpful in our efforts here which focus on provable facts and evidence.

For those interested in the actual history of the Great Seal design from verifiable records and original documents, this site is comprehensive:
http://greatseal.com/index.html

The Great Seal of the United States – An Overview
On July 4, 1776, the same day America's thirteen separate states united to declare themselves an independent nation, the Continental Congress took the next step necessary to demonstrate this Independence. They began to create their national emblem, the Great Seal of the United States.
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@ http://greatseal.com/overview.html [Ref Charles Thomson]


Official Description of the Great Seal – June 20, 1782

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"The official Great Seal approved by Congress on June 20, 1782 was a written description of the two-sided design.
No drawings of the Great Seal were submitted to nor adopted by Congress.
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"The original form of the Great Seal is this document* that uses heraldic language to precisely describe the appearance of the imagery. Called a "blazon," it is the starting point for creating a die or illustration of the Great Seal." http://greatseal.com/symbols/blazon.html#transcription
@ http://greatseal.com/symbols/blazon.html

The myths:
http://greatseal.com/mythamerica/notmasonic.html

http://greatseal.com/mythamerica/mythreverse.html

http://greatseal.com/mythamerica/mythobverse.html


I offered proof from MODERN MASONIC websites that their beliefs are based in the occult/Kabbalah. There is no difference between Kabbalah and witchcraft except in name. That is why they practice the CRAFT.

You link Masonic websites and Wikipedia to "prove" statements. I used the exact same "sources" to show that not only did Pike say they got all their symbols from Kabbalah/Occult, but that the MODERN Masonic belief system is based on Kabbalah.

Changing the words "magic" to "esoteric" does not change what it is.

Changing the word from witchcraft to craft does not change what it is.

Changing the words "Jewish magic" to Jewish "mysticism" does not change what Kabbalah is.

You are defending an organization which openly says they practice witchcraft. If you want to do it? Go right ahead, but be open about it. Don't try to intimidate people whom are showing from the Masons own sources and words, that this is an occult sect.

You expose NASA (I applaud this site for doing so). How about doing a google search to see just how many of those astro nots were free masons.

Why don't you tell me who Washington is pointing to with his trowel here. Here is another Mason site. Since Mason/pro mason sites are the only ones you accept as "non-propaganda", which I find quite funny (and not just that propaganda is PRO PAGAN DA)...I mean wow! Look at all those famous astro nots! I am sure they would go off on you, for running a website that exposes them as complete frauds eh?
http://www.lodge214.com/famousbros.html

Anyways back to the picture. Who is Washington pointing at here with the trowel?
http://www.verity59.com/page-17-FAQ-WhoAre.html

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An angel and a woman...the exact same thing that you went off on, and then accused a forum user of spreading disinformation, when in the other thread they said something about Eve and Lucifer. Oh you can claim that he is "guessing", but I would say that was a very good guess. He is still off a bit from their true belief. Perhaps another picture will clear it up.

BTW you still haven't answered my question. Why is the North of a lodge dark when YHWH said that is where he is. Also? Why the date A.L. They still use it on buildings. You can see it here from the AWESOME source Wikipedia. I will link the website to save you from right clicking it.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... r_1876.jpg

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Oh look! There is that woman again, with the angel! A.L. date on the left pillar (Boaz). Why the ark? Why the flood? Why the ROCK surviving the flood? Why the sword stabbing the heart? Why does one sphere of the earth have stars in it, and the left sphere have stars falling to it. What did God call angels again? Oh yeah...stars. Watch the start of any Paramount movie. The intro might make more sense now. :)

Who are they saying survived the flood? Well that comes back to that woman and that angel again huh. Of course not right? Cus the Masons are virtuous awesome people (LOL).

BTW if you think this is one organization and not many different ones? You would be wrong. When one isn't a "Mason" on a document, they might be a Rosicrucian and on and on. The COLOR of the lodges also denote something.

This picture is to big to link. On Wikipedia. The School of Athens painting by Raphael. Look closely at what the two men are holding on the right hand side.

Sphere of stars. Earth again. How interesting. Explain? Raphael couldn't have been a Mason, since they didn't exist yet right?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... zio_01.jpg

I do enjoy these pro mason websites you link though. Perhaps you could use them to "prove" that NASA is legit...cus they are totally telling the truth behind the moon landings right?

Have fun looking for "hard facts" from HIS STORY.

"HIS STORY" says that NASA is legit and that 9/11 was done by terrorists. Of course we know that isn't true. I guess we are supposed to stop there though and never try to figure out WHY they did it, or what they are about.

Hell most people don't even know that we fought Victoria's grandson in WW1 (Wilhelm II), or that House Windsor changed their name. You can find that out in 5 minutes on Wikipedia. A few years from now? Maybe not...

Got to love that Canadian oath. No power...cus we are told so, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(Canada)

And now my precious you are starting to get somewhere...
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Re: 9/11 & freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby AmongTheThugs on July 11th, 2012, 11:38 am

Check out "The Fix Is In" ( the showbiz manipulations of the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL and NASCAR) by Brian Tuohy. If you like sports I recommend this book.
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Re: 9/11 & freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby diagonal2 on July 11th, 2012, 1:46 pm

Alex jones sure knows how to sell his propaganda.
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Re: 9/11 & freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby diagonal2 on July 11th, 2012, 1:52 pm


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

:rolleyes:
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Re: Sci-Fi Fathers of NASA (Arthur C. Clarke, Rodenberry, et

Postby simonshack on July 11th, 2012, 4:35 pm

fizban1977 wrote:You are defending an organization which openly says they practice witchcraft. If you want to do it? Go right ahead, but be open about it. Don't try to intimidate people whom are showing from the Masons own sources and words, that this is an occult sect.



Fizban,

Am I understanding correctly that you accuse Maat of 'intimidating people' for talking about Masonry? Lol! :P

Come on, now... Besides, this thread is called "Sci-fi Fathers of NASA" - so let's just keep on topic, ok? (yes, I do understand that many astronots are masons - what surprise!...). Personally, I'd like to keep this forum from becoming yet another place discussing esoterism, masonry, occultism, witchcraft and whatnot. That doesn't mean that I'm a mason myself or a Kabbalist or anything of the sort. To be sure, I hate to moderate and define limits on what can be discussed on this forum - so I dearly wish that our members can recognize and respect what this forum is all about for themselves - without the need for any interventions/reminders of mine (such as the present one). Thanks.


ADMIN NOTICE: I just moved a couple of posts by Fizban and Maat - and this one by yours truly - from the "Sci-fi Fathers of NASA" thread into this thread.) - simon.
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Re: Freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby Maat on July 11th, 2012, 6:04 pm

Fizban,

I don't know what you're talking about with the "pro mason" accusations either, but I'm really not interested in debating beliefs of any kind, i.e. speculations and subjective perceptions of any religious systems, symbols or societies. I've already explained the purpose and focus of our research here regarding accurate, verifiable source information with examples.

I'm not sure what you didn't understand about providing the website page sources for context and content comparison, but these are image urls you posted (not the webpages they were on):
http://www.jimhutchinson.com/images/1do ... -David.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TH3Psj7X9Qc/T ... nagram.gif

And: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... r_1876.jpg

You just need to add links to the source pages where you found them, that's all.
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Re: 9/11 & freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby fbenario on July 12th, 2012, 1:35 am

fizban1977 wrote:I thought Harden purposely bombed that finals.

fbenario wrote:Why would he purposely bomb it? These guys get more fame and more money, and thus more power, when they win championships.

fizban1977 wrote:Why does ESPN/Disney/ABC (same company) have the Heat index on the ESPN main page? The officiating was horrible. Harden is an olympic quality athlete and suddenly was the worst player on the floor in the finals?

Look up Joey Crawford, and all the NBA refs. You will see that it is a family business and most have relatives who are officials in other sports. Do you realize just how many billions of dollars are riding on these games worldwide? David Stern is in the council on foreign relations...



First you say Harden bombed it, then you say Harden got a raw deal from the refs and D.Stern, which means you're now saying Harden didn't bomb it. What the hell are you talking about?
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Re: Freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby RetroStereo on July 27th, 2012, 4:05 am

All I am saying is this: I have been an NBA fan since I was 2. Go Lakers!. I'm not saying they are , or aren't calculating the outcomes, but look at this little curious factoid: Derek Fisher was a Perennial Laker (minus 2 years) , drafted as a rookie. He was our veteran Glue in the locker room. OUR TEAM CAPTAIN! He is the Players Association President/spokesperson. So this year having been a short season due to the lockout, he had to do a lot of negotiating for the players.

So please tell me how in the world we traded our #1 guard, at the end of the season , mind you, to a team in OUR OWN conference, (which hasn't been done EVER), that just happens to be the team that made it to the finals!! We didn't owe him any money, weren't trying to save cash etc. No reason on earth why we did what we did..and remember , hes the pres of the PA.
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Re: Freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby Dcopymope on September 30th, 2012, 4:58 am

As far as the numbers 9/11 and what it could possibly mean, there is something I found interesting about the memorial site and what it could mean. It seems to me like its symbolizing the bottomless pit of Revelation 9:11.

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


The memorial site with the pit in the middle: Image

Kind of explains why the numbers 9/11 is used so much especially in relation to death and destruction, and of course emergencies. Now we have people who are in all likely hood paying tribute to the angel of the bottomless pit.
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Re: Freemasonry/religious symbolism

Postby hoi.polloi on September 30th, 2012, 4:25 pm

Good find, Dcopymope.

This ties into "The Rev" My-chal Judge 1617.html (the html page of "the first vic[s]im" in the CNN memorial, a speculation published in the Vicsim Report) being a reference to Revelations 16:17. It makes a lot of sense that this is a Masonic (mystic Zionist) nod by the hoax conductors. A lot of 9/11 seems to be a private ritual by a small group of mean men, who are worshiping their artificially gained power as if it were divine rather than created from oppressing, mocking and hurting people around them. That more information about their beliefs should come from unconventional interpretations of pop culture and pop religion makes every bit of sense.

Don't mourn the sims!

We have to be able to see their interesting constructions like the 9/11 memorial as "outsider art" rather than "powerful magic". It really doesn't hold power if you don't give their mockeries of humanity your sorrow.
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