brianv wrote: LightCone wrote:
Before being a Citizen with a Berth Certificate on the "Good Ship Lollypop", or a Person or some other fictitious legal entity, one must be a living flesh Man or a Woman. I've seen no proof that that he's any of this!
What about his presence at rallies and other assumedly public events? Is an actor/impersonator used?
When you speak of his
presence, exactly whose
do you mean?
This does get confusing. I have personally been at a couple of those rallies, been vetted by the Secret Service, admitted to a high security area and watched the black Suburbans roll up and seen the "Obama" personage emerge. After which he addressed a small group for half an hour or so, during which time he looked and sounded exactly like the person we see on television. This was from a distance of 20 - 30 feet, not close enough to see any Mission Impossible mask lines, but he shook hands and talked to the $5,000/plate donors for a few minutes after that. That was the second time; the first was during his campaign, before he was elected. I feel confident that there is a flesh and blood entity that we know as the "Obama" we see on the television. It tells us nothing about who this person is or where he came from. This was in Miami, where he made several appearances in a day or two and his presence here tied up all the affected routes with security and detours for hours. I don't think they are at the point yet where they can fabricate these types of scenarios out of whole cloth without some person filling the role of "Obama" or whoever, as people do turn out to see them in the flesh.
It feels weird even having this discussion, knowing all these people are running around with their "Obama" bumper stickers, planning to vote, yada, yada.
Pulling levers to nowhere. On a related note, I once heard that the "Close Door" buttons on elevators don't really work, they are only there to relieve anxiety.
Anyone know anything about this?