Drone Killings?

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Drone Killings?

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(For now I'm assuming this is not a psyop.)

Wow - amazing. And amazingly evil.
"How Team Obama Justifies the Killing of a 16-Year-Old American

Asked about the strike that killed him, a senior adviser to the president's campaign suggests he should've "had a more responsible father."

Cornered by reporters with video cameras, former White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, a senior adviser to President Obama's reelection campaign, attempted to defend the kill list that the Obama Administration uses to determine whose body should next be blown apart. American drone strikes have resulted in hundreds of dead innocents in the last four years, even as the program has killed a number of high-level al Qaeda terrorists. There are two remarkable things about the ensuing exchange, which eventually turns into a discussion about a dead 16-year-old kid
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How does Team Obama justify killing him?

The answer Gibbs gave is chilling:

ADAMSON: ...It's an American citizen that is being targeted without due process, without trial. And, he's underage. He's a minor.

GIBBS: I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children. I don't think becoming an al Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business.

Again, note that this kid wasn't killed in the same drone strike as his father. He was hit by a drone strike elsewhere, and by the time he was killed, his father had already been dead for two weeks. Gibbs nevertheless defends the strike, not by arguing that the kid was a threat, or that killing him was an accident, but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists. "

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e32858.htm
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No disrespect but I think everything involving our fake president is undoubtably a psyop.
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AmongTheThugs wrote:No disrespect but I think everything involving our fake president is undoubtably a psyop.
Did you purposely miss the point of my post, which to me seems obvious? Didn't you see my mention of a possible psyop in a parenthetical? If not, why not?

While everything on the planet 'might' be a psyop, I tend to doubt it - and so do you, if you would take a moment to consider the implications of such a conclusion. Wars have existed since the beginning of man, at least with respect to killing others to get things you want from them.

If you actually do think America has left no dead bodies (aka war-crime victims) strewn across the planet over the last decade, then I will wish you luck on the rest of your journey through down the rabbit-hole.

Finally, I'd very much like to know specifically why you chose to distract all other readers of my original post from considering how incredible evil drone-killings are, and consequently how incredibly evil the current American system is.
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fbenario wrote:
AmongTheThugs wrote:No disrespect but I think everything involving our fake president is undoubtably a psyop.
Did you purposely miss the point of my post, which to me seems obvious? Didn't you see my mention of a possible psyop in a parenthetical? If not, why not?
Aw, come on now Fbenario - ATT's comment was not directed against you / or your intents in any way. I will now kindly ask you to stop taking (often undue) issue over other members' posts in such overly zealous ways. Thanks.
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The whole drone situation gives me a strange vibe, almost like the administration, and the media, are too eager to let us know the frightening details about these things. They certainly serve a purpose to strike fear into the populace, and in that respect it feels like a psyop.
It also has brought up the discussion on Due Process, which would certainly be a thorn in the side of an administration trying to kill an American citizen, on homeland or abroad.
Of course they say Due Process must be irrelevant in times of war, but let me ask you..
What war are we in exactly? Oh yeah..the War on Terror.
Perpetual War.
So what we have here is a War with no end, and during times of war, Due Process is not recognized..
So as long as they make you out to be a 'terrorist' they can do whatever they want!
And the average person who hears of this terrorist being killed without Due Process will celebrate knowing their military took down another 'bad guy'!
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59beamWTC wrote:The whole drone situation gives me a strange vibe, almost like the administration, and the media, are too eager to let us know the frightening details about these things. They certainly serve a purpose to strike fear into the populace, and in that respect it feels like a psyop.
Personally I'm tending towards the no-planes theory myself...

Take a look at the Guardian and BBC reports of how Iran has 'successfully' reverse-engineered that supposedly-captured US drone. And the 'video' then recorded from it...
Iran shows 'hacked US spy drone' video footage
7 February 2013 BBC


Or jump straight in, and look at an example imagery analysis at http://www.dronehoax.com/analysis/1111.htm

Remember also that the US DoD/DARPRA are meant to have capabilities for launching swarms of banknote-sized robotic automata, each of which sending back high-res pictures to some far-distant satellite-linked command.

http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/arc ... et/273270/

The Surveillance Hummingbird- Watch it Fly and Spy

There are also now masses of YouTube videos that purport to show pseudo-military robots, conventional jets encountering impossibly-clean/fast/sharp 'ufos', and other aerial non-events. Even many of the gullible public generally realises that there's often a massive reality gap, as they watch in slack-jawed feigned-fear.

There is a distinct probability that the main difference between Godzilla and many of the drone dramas we're hearing about boils-down to marketing, contexts, back-stories, and sheer fear. I mean, who's going to be scared of a non-existent 100ft tall Japanese rubber lizard on steroids? However- I've seen video on the Internet that the Arabs have managed to relaunch that captured drone...FGS, that's got to be true, because I'm a rational paranoid techno-dependant media-junky everyman.

Except I'm not. And neither are you, dear reader? Be honest, now.
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icarusinbound wrote:Take a look at the Guardian and BBC reports of how Iran has 'successfully' reverse-engineered that supposedly-captured US drone. And the 'video' then recorded from it...
Iran shows 'hacked US spy drone' video footage
7 February 2013 BBC
It's funny to read these articles once we understand the posturing that goes along with it.. did I just read this?

"BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera says that if the Iranians have really managed to break into the systems of the pilotless aircraft, this would suggest a level of sophistication that may worry the US.

American officials have previously cast doubt on Iran's ability to extract useful intelligence from the captured spy plane, and have said that reverse-engineering a copy would be beyond Iran's technological capability."

:huh: "Well, shucks. We thought we had some super-duper codes and technology on this thing but those damn Iranians took us by surprise!"
This type of humility is abnormal..it only serves as an announcement to the public that Iran's abilities are growing, that they're 'catching up' of course, and at a rate that even our top intelligence can't fathom!

Back to the drones themselves, that image analysis is great.. Who is Rajman1977, the source of the image?
About the swarms of drones- so the Air Force declines a request to see the micro-aviary, but then they offer up a dramatization; it seems that they excel at creating drama for the viewer.
As far as No Drones go, it wouldn't surprise me if the DoD have just made the whole thing up, although the Defense Contractors would be chomping at the bit to get such a craft into the air as a new revenue stream.
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icarusinbound wrote: pseudo-military robots,
I am very very skeptical about much of the (2009?) military technologies being depicted here. Tell me this is not a CGO....

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2IXk5Jbag


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFRkYiwaVqs
(robot from 2min23sec)

Video of 'doubtful drones' to follow....

(edit- utterly unreal, non-sense for the senses)

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26cYs7RLCbg


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjmG0uU4lWQ

Drone Research Team...'Dronebusters'

Not forgettting the obvious utter BS footage as well...

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzrS0BVJynM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense ... atch_.html
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''The Hand of God''
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icarusinbound wrote:I am very very skeptical about much of the (2009?) military technologies being depicted here. Tell me this is not a CGO....

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2IXk5Jbag


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFRkYiwaVqs
(robot from 2min23sec)
This one actually seems probable to me, on several grounds. First off it's just the stupidest thing one could imagine ... just get a goddamn pony! It's faster, quieter, stronger, and it doesn't need any gas! What good is a machine for carrying things that would need a truck to carry its own fuel? What are you going to do with one of these anywhere in the vicinity of a supply depot? Sneak up to your own front line? Oh yes, excellent, an offroad carrier that needs a gas station every few miles along its route. Useful! Oh and that chainsaw like sound, that will be perfectly suited to covert missions I am sure. The enemy won't hear them coming over the sound of the machine. :blink:

And expensive too, I'm sure. And that's why it's believable. It costs a lot of money and it's just ridiculously useless.
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Children have remote controlled planes. How are Drones any different in theory and other than their sophistication to toy planes ?


Where they are supposedly hitting the Tribal peoples of Pakistan ( who have always been a thorn in the sides of all who venture near ) is where the gas pipelines are supposedly being laid isn't it ?

http://www.courtfool.info/en_Pipelines_to_9_11.htm


Image


I am sure you have read the Stanford NYU report 'Living Under Drones' and don't know how much sway you give to it

http://www.livingunderdrones.org/

And Killing Hope by William Blum as background to this Insidious Empire ( forced to be insidious in part because the US troops refused to guard s US Empire after WWII

chapter 3
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA415899 )

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/ ... _page.html
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My cousin uses a drone for aerial photography . Anybody interested in getting one? It can be done for as little as ~1000k USD :)

http://diydrones.com/

Pretty popular stuff among the geeks .
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