bongostaple » November 18th, 2016, 11:24 am wrote:Once a theory is contextually irreproducible by the average layman, we are expected to accept its veracity 'because science'. And disagreement prompts the usual 'well what qualifications in <insert total bollocks academic discipline here> do YOU have?'.
bongostaple » November 18th, 2016, 2:24 am wrote:I'd be dubious about Einstein purely on the basis of his theories, but as he looks likely to have been key to the nuclear hoax right from the 'Making Shit Up' phase, he looks even more dodgy.....
Anders » November 18th, 2016, 3:14 am wrote:If something like Einstein's relativity was publicly and officially declared to be a hoax, then the whole ivory tower of mainstream science would come crashing down.
Albert Einstein College of Medicine
The Albert Einstein College of Medicine ("Einstein"), a part of Montefiore Medical Center, is a not-for-profit, private, nonsectarian medical school located in the Morris Park neighborhood of the Bronx in New York City. In addition to M.D. degrees, Einstein offers graduate biomedical degrees through its Sue Golding Graduate Division. Allen M. Spiegel, M.D., has served as The Marilyn and Stanley M. Katz Dean since June 1, 2006.[1]
Einstein’s areas of focus are medical education, basic research, and clinical research. The school is well known for its humanistic approach to medicine and the diversity of its student body. The class of 2019 includes 183 students from 23 different states. In addition, 18% were born outside the U.S., and 12% identify themselves as belonging to groups considered underrepresented in medicine.[2]
Einstein is a major biomedical and clinical research facility. Faculty members received $157 million in research grants from the National Institutes of Health in 2014, ranking 25th out of 138 medical schools in the U.S. The N.I.H. funding includes major amounts for research in aging, disorders of intellectual development, diabetes, cancer, liver disease, and AIDS.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein_College_of_Medicine
History
Dr. Samuel Belkin president of Yeshiva University, began planning a new medical school as early as 1945. Six years later, Dr. Belkin and New York City Mayor Vincent Impellitteri entered into an agreement to begin its construction. Around the same time, world-renowned physicist and humanitarian Albert Einstein sent a letter to Dr. Belkin. He remarked that such an endeavor would be "unique" in that the school would "welcome students of all creeds and races"[].[4] Two years later, on his 74th birthday, March 14, 1953, Albert Einstein agreed to have his name attached to the medical school.
The first classes began September 12, 1955, with 56 students. It was the first new medical school to open in New York City since 1897. The Sue Golding Graduate Division was established in 1957 to offer Ph.D. degrees in biomedical disciplines.[5] The Medical Scientist Training Program, a combined M.D.-Ph.D. program, was started 1964.[6] The Clinical Research Training Program, which confers M.S. degrees in clinical research methods, began in July 1998.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein_College_of_Medicine#History
Notable research and achievements
Einstein has been the site of major medical achievements and accomplishments, including:[8]
In 1964, Einstein was the first medical school in the United States to establish a Department of Genetics.
In 1965, Einstein opened one of the first General Clinical Research Centers in the U.S., funded by the N.I.H.
The residency program in Social Medicine was established in 1970, in part to address the shortage of primary care clinicians in underserved communities.
In 1974, Einstein's Liver Research Center — now the Marion Bessin Liver Research Center — became the first institute in the United States for the study of liver disease and injury.
In 1976, researchers at Einstein identified the mechanism of action of Taxol [TAX ALL], an important cancer drug. (Susan B. Horwitz, Ph.D.)
In 1978, Einstein was designated a Diabetes Research and Training Center, one of seven in the U.S. The Center has been home to prominent scientists involved in research on the insulin receptor, the mechanisms of diabetes complications, glucose toxicity, control of metabolism by the brain, and hypoglycemia.
In 1988, one of the first Centers for AIDS Research in the country funded by the N.I.H. was created at Einstein. Researchers at the center were among the first to identify pediatric AIDS as a distinct disease and established the first day-care center in the world for children with AIDS. (Arye Rubinstein, M.D.)
In 1994, Einstein became the only New York City medical school selected by the N.I.H. to participate in the Women's Health Initiative, the largest research study of women's health ever undertaken. (Sylvia Wassertheil-Smoller, Ph.D., principal investigator)
In 2006, Einstein became the only medical institution in the Northeast to serve as a research site for the Hispanic Community Health Study, the largest research study of Hispanic health ever conducted. (Sylvia Wassertheil-Smoller, Ph.D., principal investigator)
Einstein researchers demonstrated the association between reduced levels of high-density lipoproteins (HDL), or "good" cholesterol, and heart disease.
Einstein researchers identified a neurotransmitter missing from the brains of patients with Alzheimer's disease, a finding that influenced much subsequent Alzheimer's disease research. (Peter Davies, Ph.D.)
Researchers at Einstein discovered structural abnormalities of brain cells that explain deficiencies in cognitive development, greatly contributing to the understanding of mental retardation. (Dominick P. Purpura, M.D.)
Einstein researchers helped discover the mechanisms responsible for the diversity of antibodies and their precision in immune responses. (Matthew D. Scharff, M.D.)
Scientists at Einstein pioneered research that has led to improved methods of avoiding organ transplant rejection. (Stanley G. Nathenson, M.D.)
Einstein researchers have conducted important epidemiologic research in migraines and other types of headaches. (Richard B. Lipton, M.D.)
The Division of Substance Abuse is the largest addiction treatment program in the Bronx, the second largest public treatment program in New York State, and the largest in the world operating under the auspices of a medical school. It serves more than 3,600 people, and provides comprehensive opioid addiction treatment at nine community-based outpatient facilities located throughout the borough, as well as ambulatory services for all substances of abuse at the Division’s Chemical Dependency Wellness Services program in facilities located in the North and South Bronx.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein_College_of_Medicine#Notable_research_and_achievements
bongostaple » November 18th, 2016, 2:24 am wrote:It does rather appear that when various 'big science' concepts are written about, it requires a leap of blind faith to get through. In reality, I think that if it feels like a rabbit hole, it is a rabbit hole. Einstein's 'amazing discoveries' are a good example, as are the various proclamations of Feynmann.
Once a theory is contextually irreproducible by the average layman, we are expected to accept its veracity 'because science'. And disagreement prompts the usual 'well what qualifications in <insert total bollocks academic discipline here> do YOU have?'.
On that basis, I don't waste my time trying to understand 'big science'. If I can try something out myself, in real life, then I'll take a look, but even then, nobody can agree unanimously on what they are seeing (see pi=4 clusterfuck), and discussions rapidly get confusing and circular.
I'd be dubious about Einstein purely on the basis of his theories, but as he looks likely to have been key to the nuclear hoax right from the 'Making Shit Up' phase, he looks even more dodgy.....
(edit: typo)
Anders » November 18th, 2016, 3:14 am wrote:[And also when a reference is used then there is often a claim like: "That's not a peer-reviewed source." There is a gatekeeper layer in academia that defends itself almost desperately. Public science has a big crisis. They have painted themselves into a false corner. One example is the superstring theories where they claim that the sum 1+2+3+4+5+... = -1/12. What kind of math is that? Most likely a fallacy of shifting arithmetic series and adding them in ways that can produce all kinds of nonsense results.
I have stopped pushing too hard against the academic community since the crisis in science needs to be resolved in a way that is constructive. If something like Einstein's relativity was publicly and officially declared to be a hoax, then the whole ivory tower of mainstream science would come crashing down.Not good.
aa5 » November 19th, 2016, 5:09 am wrote:Peer review is about the most anti-scientific idea I have ever heard. On the bright side, with the internet there is no reason others cannot make their own journals, and do things like have a bunch of people independently verifying experimental results.
Anders » November 18th, 2016, 10:48 pm wrote:Skeptics can say that the email in the quote could have come from anyone.
ICfreely » November 19th, 2016, 9:26 am wrote:Anders » November 18th, 2016, 10:48 pm wrote:Skeptics can say that the email in the quote could have come from anyone.
We sure can. Some of us question whether the "artist" formally known as "Miles Mathis" even exists in the first place. We also suspect "Miles Mathis" is a team of paid DBA con-artists. What exactly is your point, (p)Anders?
aa5 » November 19th, 2016, 3:59 am wrote:bongostaple » November 18th, 2016, 2:24 am wrote:It does rather appear that when various 'big science' concepts are written about, it requires a leap of blind faith to get through. In reality, I think that if it feels like a rabbit hole, it is a rabbit hole. Einstein's 'amazing discoveries' are a good example, as are the various proclamations of Feynmann.
Once a theory is contextually irreproducible by the average layman, we are expected to accept its veracity 'because science'. And disagreement prompts the usual 'well what qualifications in <insert total bollocks academic discipline here> do YOU have?'.
On that basis, I don't waste my time trying to understand 'big science'. If I can try something out myself, in real life, then I'll take a look, but even then, nobody can agree unanimously on what they are seeing (see pi=4 clusterfuck), and discussions rapidly get confusing and circular.
I'd be dubious about Einstein purely on the basis of his theories, but as he looks likely to have been key to the nuclear hoax right from the 'Making Shit Up' phase, he looks even more dodgy.....
(edit: typo)
I came to the same conclusion as you. Like with particle physics, maybe there are all these particles, and maybe not(I personally believe not). Since I have no way of verifying their theories, all I have to go on is their alleged results, presented by them. Since I can not be sure that they are not lying, or have not misinterpreted experimental results, etc. I cannot put any weight on their theories.
Where I do take notice is when applications are developed based on an understanding of how something works, eg.. Radio waves.
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