Influences of Israel and Zionism

Historical insights & thoughts about the world we live in - and the social conditioning exerted upon us by past and current propaganda.

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Postby fbenario on November 7th, 2012, 3:15 am

Gygès wrote: I think I will be able to find these newspapers : I' ll post them as soon as I have found them or I' ll let you know.

Edit : I've found some :
Here is a good link (with newspapers pics) : http://autoreflexion.wordpress.com/2012 ... -millions/
Here a link with some others : http://www.propagandes.info/product_inf ... -1900-p-66

Kind Regards

Thank you SO much for finding this material. I had failed a number of times to find anything, and I would never have thought to look in French archives. I appreciate your doing this for me! Thanks!
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby hoi.polloi on November 7th, 2012, 3:33 am

Excellent journalism, Gyges. Thank you!

It is interesting to note that the articles appear to be describing two sets of 6,000,000 Jews.

On the one hand, they say there's the 6 million ("half") in Russia. On the other, they say there's 6 million "of" Europe. I do not point out any inconsistencies; only that this appears to be an interesting rumor of population without immediately apparent census.
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby Gygès on November 7th, 2012, 7:21 am

hoi.polloi wrote:On the one hand, they say there's the 6 million ("half") in Russia. On the other, they say there's 6 million "of" Europe. I do not point out any inconsistencies; only that this appears to be an interesting rumor of population without immediately apparent census.

Yes, it's very "bizarre", as we say in France.... :wacko:

I've taken the time to read most of the posts on this thread and there are some personal views I 'd like to share about some points that have been discussed (and some that haven't been too...). However, I'll take the time to present and explain my views correctly, with a minimum of order, or I risk making things unclear or incomplete. Besides, It's not very easy for me to write in english, in particular regarding such complicated questions, but with a little time I think It will be ok.

So, if you are interested in, I would like to talk a bit about the "Dreyfus Affair". Not in depth, of course, because it's a very mysterious story, which was never really solved, and I personnaly haven't got the key of the mystery. Nevertheless, I think it's a quite interesting affair that may have somthing to do with the whole zionist issue, and could have played an important role in the so-called "Jewish problem" during the pre-WW2 period.

I'd also like to deal with several other issues previously discussed like :
- Who,"England-American establishment" or "Jews", are world or NWO supposed rulers (or others...) ?
- Root, role and nature of freemasonry (very big stuff, but certain things I 've learnt might be useful to know)
- Connections between the german zionist party and the german nazi party in the 1930's and during the war. (I've got some very interesting quotes on that point)

(- The "Oradour-sur-Glane" story : I don't know if it is very known or if some of you ever heard about it, but if you don't, I think you'll be interested in it, because There are many things that shows that the official story is a pure falsification of facts and a real deception. A french guy made a convincing investigation about it. The consequences for him are also very indicative). If you want you can take a first look at this case here, for example http://www.oradour.info/, cause it's an enormous one and you will certainly enjoy it...

Then I think it would be really important to discuss in depth the real origins of zionism, to make very clear the questions of who are the "jews" ?, are zionists jews ? does it mean anything to be a "jew", is this a people and/or a religion, are any actual jews the descendants of ancient hebrews, or isrealites ?, and so on.... because I think it is still pretty confused and therefore quite confusing.

Another even more difficult question is the origin of the jewish religion itself (or "Judaism", as it is often called). I think this is all the more important as Jewish religion is, itself, the basis of the two other "religions of the book". I know these are very ancient and obsure points, but I quite recently investigated that subject a little, and I was really amazed of what I learnt about it. So I'd like to share it.

fbenario wrote:Thank you SO much for finding this material. I had failed a number of times to find anything, and I would never have thought to look in French archives. I appreciate your doing this for me! Thanks!

You're welcome ! It is pleasure if I can help you in anyway.

Ps : Now I realize there are many other interesting things, related in a way or in another to zionism and France : De Gaulle's attitude and statements (one "famous" speech in particular) towards thecreation of Israel., The very recent "Merah Affair" who happened at the beginning of this year , in France, JUST BEFORE the presidential elections (that seems to be an incredible deception, with media fakeries and an astonishing government deception. Take a look at it, you won't be disappointed !), and also the case of three famous french humorists : Pierre Desproges, "Coluche" (who, unfortunately died in a very strange way after deciding to challenge the political leaders, being himself candidate for the elections), and today Dieudonné, which is a very interesting case, I think, to watch, because he is very implicated in the "Zionist and jews" issue in France, and says some incredible things in his shows, met Ahmadinejad, and so on... (too bad that everybody doesn't speak french here, because what he dares to say in his sketches is just unbelievable, and very funny too...)

Sorry for the faults, I m a bit tired to check closely my spelling now ...
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby Gygès on November 7th, 2012, 7:53 am

Hey ! I've just found a video of a sketch Pierre Desproges subtitled in english, and it is precisely the one about "jews" and "holocaust" that was very disputed at that time in France. The subject was very taboo, as it still is today, and was controversial because it was a very "second degree" (some would say "third" degree) and aparently cynical sketch. I let you judge and sorry if you don't like this kind of humour. It might be a little off-subject but not so much, because it was one of the first time in france someone allowed himself to say such things about jews and the (so-called) Holocaust. http://www.wat.tv/video/pierre-desproge ... frhb_.html
(An interesting point I didn't remember at first is the fact that he talks about one french journalist named "Christine Ockrent" who is the wife of a french doctor and politician named... "Bernard Kouchner" ! I don't know if his name says you something but he played an important role in the kosovo affair and his wife have been (or maybe still is) the french director of the french-american channel "France 24". The other journalist he talks about (without naming her) is even more interesting since it was the wife of a man named "Yvan Levaï" at that time and who is now the wife of... Dominique Strauss-Khan ! She is Anne Saint-claire. (just for anecdote)

Well, It reminds me of one of his jokes : "There exists two kind of people : the jews, and the antisemites". :D
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby simonshack on November 7th, 2012, 9:43 pm

Gygès wrote:An interesting point I didn't remember at first is the fact that he talks about one french journalist named "Christine Ockrent" who is the wife of a french doctor and politician named... "Bernard Kouchner" ! I don't know if his name says you something but he played an important role in the kosovo affair and his wife have been (or maybe still is) the french director of the french-american channel "France 24".

Dear Gygès,

I am thoroughly enjoying your presence here - finally enrichening Cluesforum with a knowledgeable and no-nonsense French perspective of the mad world we live in. Yes, I am (unfortunately) quite aware of the two sad individuals you mention, Christine Ockrent and Bernard Kouchner (a very well-matched, demonic couple).
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The Ockrent witch is, for those who don't know, perhaps the most famous - and emetic - female TV journalist in France (she's actually from Belgium), now at the helm of "France 24" - which is obviously the hub of British/American/Zionist media propaganda in France. Her partner, Bernard Kouchner, is the man behind "Médecins Sans Frontières" - a so-called 'humanitarian' organization which (no surprise there!) was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1999...


But let's shove aside these horrid personnages for now and let our readers know about good and honest French citizens - such as the repeatedly censored and harassed (by the 'establishment') journalist Richard Labévière.
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Labévière was outrageously fired on August 12, 2008 (incidentally, only three days after my final September Clues was released - hehe! - pardon my egocentric sidethought) from his top job at Radio France International. Why, you might ask? Well, the ridiculous reason given for his sacking was that he had interviewed Assad "without warning his superiors" (Labévière says this is a preposterous, outright lie). Assad is, of course, the Syrian president currently being psyopped out of his palace - with the use of media propaganda supported by entirely fake imagery aired on TV - showing purported bombings of Assad of his own people.

Some info about Richard Labévière - courtesy of a French Wikipedia page (not available in English).....
"Diplômé en sciences politiques, histoire et philosophie des universités de Paris I (Panthéon-Sorbonne), Genève et Grenoble, il est l'auteur de plusieurs livres sur les liens du terrorisme islamiste avec l'Arabie saoudite et la CIA. Pour lui il faut différencier les attentats organisés par Ben Laden de ceux attribués plus tard à Al-Qaida, qui ne serait selon lui pas une véritable organisation terroriste, mais une étiquette collée a posteriori sur les attentats islamistes afin de justifier une guerre perpétuelle contre la terreur.".
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_La ... vi%C3%A8re

My shortened/ summarized translation:

"Labévière is the author of several books about the links of Islamic terrorism between Saudi Arabia and the CIA. Labévière says one should discern between the attacks organized by Bin Laden and those later blamed on Al Qaeda, who is not according to Labévière a real terrorist organization, but a label stuck "a posteriori" (after the fact) on these Islamic attacks to justify a perpetual war on terror."


Richard Labeviere Answers

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArsRcQYic1A


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Relevant links for French speakers:
http://www.agoravox.fr/actualites/media ... omme-43838

"Qui se souvient qu’il était l’un des rares spécialistes à mettre en lumière les liens de connivence entre le terrorisme islamiste et les Etats-Unis ou à affirmer à l’antenne que le "réseau" Al-Qaeda n’existait pas ?"

My best translation:
"Who remembers that he was one of the rare specialists to highlight the connivence between Islamic terrorism and the United States - or to affirm on live broadcasts that the Al-Quaeda "network" does not exist?


And from a French 9/11 truther website...
http://www.reopen911.info/News/2008/09/ ... france-24/
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby fbenario on November 8th, 2012, 2:27 am

simonshack wrote:
Gygès wrote:An interesting point I didn't remember at first is the fact that he talks about one french journalist named "Christine Ockrent" who is the wife of a french doctor and politician named... "Bernard Kouchner" ! I don't know if his name says you something but he played an important role in the kosovo affair and his wife have been (or maybe still is) the french director of the french-american channel "France 24".

Dear Gygès,

I am thoroughly enjoying your presence here - finally enrichening Cluesforum with a knowledgeable and no-nonsense French perspective of the mad world we live in. Yes, I am (unfortunately) quite aware of the two sad individuals you mention, Christine Ockrent and Bernard Kouchner (a very well-matched, demonic couple).
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Nice purple filter overlaying the entire top half of the image; also nice pasted-in mouth and tie on him. Further, why is there a movie-prop human hand on his right shoulder, with no human attached to it? Silly.

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http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=705507ce5b5fa43d52957e19f3444fcd9c44dcf4.23146
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby Gygès on November 8th, 2012, 3:19 am

Hi Simon,

simonshack wrote:Christine Ockrent and Bernard Kouchner (a very well-matched, demonic couple)

And he is known in France for being a great guy for having done this....

Isn't that a digusting photo ! (He brings them sacks of rice !!!)
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And, unfortunately, "Demonic" is the word.... Please look at his reaction when someone tells him that some families have denounced him for getting involved in some horrific organ trafficking affair, while he was the UN high-representative of Kosovo between 1999 and 2001. Just look at this devilish laughter... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xg46z3 ... ganes_news

(Further details bout this organ theft affair : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo )


simonshack wrote:But let's shove aside these horrid personnages for now and let our readers know about good and honest French citizens


Yes, you're right, I do believe there are still many honest people in France, even in the medias or in the secret services ! For example, Alain Chouet (Alain Chouet is an French intelligence officer. In particular he held the positions of Head of the Coordination Office of Research and Anti-Terrorist Operations (1980-1985) as well as Head of the Security Intelligence Service of the Directorate-General for External Security (2000-2002). Note: The “Security Intelligence Service” is the anti-terrorist branch of the DGSE.) said some very important things about Al-Qaeda : (I'll think, simon, you'll appreciate his mastery of the french language, which is quite amazing from a secret service chief. )

The whole interview is very interesting. Since you speak french, here is the whole conference in french (20 min) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJDc7FwIHY4

(I've just saw there is a french translation for the video but the link must be dead. However, here is the text in english. (only place where I could find it.... http://world911truth.org/al-qaeda-dead- ... ench-dgse/ )

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"As with so many of my colleagues from around the world, I feel that on the basis of key information gathered, that ‘Al Qaeda’ died as a functioning force in the rat caves of Tora-Bora in 2002. The Pakistani Intelligence Services, from 2003 to 2008, then happily offered us what was left in exchange for various indulgences.

Of the 400 active members of the organization which existed in 2001, as described in Marc Sageman’s excellent book, “Understanding Terror Networks” less than 50 henchmen (apart from Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawaihri), who have no functional competence were able to escate and dissapear into remote regions, leading percarious lives, with primitive means of communication.

It’s not in this way that you can run a globaly coordinated network of political violence. Besides, it seems clear that none of the perpetrators of the post-9/11 terrorist attacks (London, Madrid, Casablanca, Djerba, Charm-el-Sheikh, Bali, Bombay, etc.) had any contact with the organization.

As for the more or less offbeat claims of responsability, occasionally articulated by Bin Laden or Zawahiri, supposing we can actually authenticate them, it doesn’t implicate any operational, organisational or functional link between these terrorists and the remains of the organisation.
(...)
Hence a proliferation of ‘Al Qaeda’ more or less designated or self-proclaimed, in Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Maghreb, and elsewhere “Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.”

The principal result of this idiotic dialectic has of course been to reinforce the myth of an omnipresent Al Qaeda, lurking behind every Muslim, ready in waiting to hit the West in general, the US of course in particular, in the name of who knows what perversity. And this vision is a product of several errors of judgment and perspective, and it above all generates completely inappropriate retorts."


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On this subject, another french ex- service secret service 's Commandant Pierre- Henri Bunel give a very interesting explanation of the origin and the meaning of the term "Al-QAEDA" itself, and why it was chosen. (I'm not totally sure it is the absolute truth but I think it's a very interesting explanation, quite unknown I guess...)

Bunel's Interview about Al-Qaeda (from 3min) : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjnunv ... oisie_news
(maybe you could explain what he says, simon ! sorry, but you'll do it better than me :P )
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby Gygès on November 8th, 2012, 4:03 am

Now, here is interesting opinion of George Galloway about the so-called "arab revolutions", who financed them, and why have the "mujahidins" supported it .

British MP George Galloway on Al-Mayadeen TV august 28th 2012 (amazing exchange !)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q8fbbrY ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cOP9wALhBw (longer version)


It reminds me an article I read about a year ago. Here translated in english :

Hamas Was Founded by Mossad
By Hassane Zerrouky December 29, 2008

[The article below originally appeared in the French daily L'Humanité on December 14, 2001, translated to English by Global Outlook in 2002, and published by Global Research in March 2004. It shows how the so-called Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) was founded by Israel's Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks (Mossad) with the strategic purpose to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State.

"Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”.

Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement.

According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), “The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority” in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza.

“They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad.”

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an “Islamic University” in Gaza fully equiped with rattan garden furniture. “The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza.”

At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks), the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression."


Source article here (english translation) : http://wariscrime.com/new/hamas-was-founded-by-mossad/
Original french article , in "L'humanité", 14 December 2001 : http://www.humanite.fr/node/390357
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby Gygès on November 8th, 2012, 6:40 am

De Gaulle's Opinion about Israel

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Elysée, Prime Minister Ben Gourion and De Gaulle, 14 juin 1960- Photo Fritz Cohen

(french video archive of this moment : http://www.ina.fr/politique/politique-i ... le.fr.html)


An extract from the 1967 De Gaulle's press conference, where he gave his frank opinion about zionism, "jews", and the "Six-Day War" :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4aPPAkh-zw (sorry, in french. At least for you Simon !)


However, I've found an excerpt from it in english :


De Gaulle's opinion of Israel ; Press conference held at the Elysée Palace on 27 November 1967


Question:

General, war broke out in the Middle East six months ago. It ended quickly, as we know. What do you think of the evolution of the situation in that area since last June?

De Gaulle's Answer:

"The establishment of a Zionist homeland in Palestine and then, after the Second World War, the establishment of the State of Israel raised at the time a certain amount of fears. The question could be asked, and was indeed asked even among many Jews, whether the settlement of this community on a land acquired under more or less justifiable conditions, in the midst of Arab populations who were basically hostile, would not lead to continued, incessant frictions and conflicts. Some people even feared that the Jews, until then scattered about, but who were still what they had always been, that is an elite people, sure of themselves and domineering, would, once assembled again on the land of their ancient greatness, turn into a burning and conquering ambition.

Neverthless, in spite of the ebbing and flowing stream of malevolences they aroused in certain countries and certain times, a considerable capital of interest, and even sympathy, had accrued in their favour, especially it must be said in Christian countries: a capital issued from the immense memory of the Bible, fed by the sources of a magnificent liturgy, kept alive by the commiseration inspired by their ancient misfortune, poeticised here by the myth of the Wandering Jew, heightened by the abominable persecutions perpetuated during the Second World War and maginified, after they had again found a homeland, by their constructive works and the courage of their soldiers. That is why many countries – France amongst them – had seen with satisfaction the establishment of their State on the territory acknowledged as theirs by the Major Powers, while wishing for them to reach, by using some modesty, a peaceful "modus vivendi" with their neighbours.

It must be said that these psychological factors had somewhat changed since 1956. The Franco-British Suez expedition had seen the emergence of a warrior State of Israel determined to increase its land area and boundaries. Later, the actions it had taken to double its population by encouraging the immigration of new elements had led us to believe that the territory it had acquired would soon prove insufficient and that, in order to enlarge it, it would seize on any opportunity that would present itself. This is the reason why the Fifth Republic had disengaged itself from the very special and close ties with Israel, established by the previous regime, and instead had applied itself to favouring detente in the Middle East. Obviously we had maintained cordial relations with the Government of Israel, and even continued to supply for its defence the weapons it asked to buy, while at the same time we were advising moderation. Finally, we had refused to give our official backing to its settling in a conquered district of Jerusalem, and had maintained our Embassy in Tel Aviv.

Unfortunately a drama occurred. It was brought on by the very great and constant tension resulting from the scandalous fate of the refugees in Jordan, and also by the threat of destruction against Israel. On 22 May the Akaba affair unfortunately created by Egypt* would offer a pretext to those who wanted war. To avoid hostilities, on 24 May France had proposed to the other three Major Powers to jointly forbid both parties from initiating the fight. On 2 June, the French Government had officially declared that it would condemn whoever would take up arms first. I myself, on 24 May, had stated to Mr Eban, Israel’s Foreign Minister, whom I saw in Paris: "If Israel is attacked we shall not let it be destroyed, but if you attack we shall condemn your action.

Israel attacked, and reached its objectives in six days of fighting. Now it organises itself on conquered territories, the occupation of which cannot go without oppression, repression, expulsions, while at the same time a resistance grows, which it regards as terrorism. Jerusalem should receive international status."


(http://www.dangoor.com/74049.html)
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby bostonterrierowner on November 8th, 2012, 1:43 pm

@Gyges

I like your input in general but please do not link to this piece of lying shit George Galloway . Why don't you post some of his comments on 9/11 ? :)

I don't think that sharing with us some stuff out of French special services is of any merit as well regardless of the guy's French language proficiency . I am waiting for some excerpts from Noam "the gnome" Chomsky ...

Ask yourself this question : Why the fuck are these dudes on MSM if their opinions are such explosive ? Have you seen Hoi Polloi or Simon on CNN or France 24 or whatever ?


I am afraid you are running around in circles my friend and I am a bit too old of a fox for such an activity .

Einstein's letters do not mean much too me as well for his whole persona was also a PsyOp :)

Regarding this funny stand up artist .. Well he looks like a member of the tribe too me :)

I am referring back to my position on this subject . Israel is a whipping boy created by the real zionists in USA , UK , France and lies coming form Galloways , Buchanans of this world only entrench my humble persona in this opinion

Hamas being created by Mossad .Nothing new here . Have you heard of Mistaravim ? Check the posts on Al Qaeda by Warriorun or other members .

You are not inventing a wheel over here . Your stuff might be explosive on Alex Jones Show but not on Clues Forum .

Your great masonic president De Gaulle and his Free Frenchmen posse is a joke . No offence here . All politicians are puppets .

Don't feed me with JFK bullshit ( I am jumping a bit ahead but my gut tells me that you have some of JFK stuff in your arsenal ) . He wasn't assasinated but simply "retired" fro the scene . Another PsyOp .

Any groundbreaking info from Webster Tarpley dowloaded from PressTv youtube channel ? :lol:

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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby brianv on November 8th, 2012, 3:23 pm

bostonterrierowner wrote:@Gyges

I like your input in general but please do not link to this piece of lying shit George Galloway . Why don't you post some of his comments on 9/11 ? :)

I don't think that sharing with us some stuff out of French special services is of any merit as well regardless of the guy's French language proficiency . I am waiting for some excerpts from Noam "the gnome" Chomsky ...

Ask yourself this question : Why the fuck are these dudes on MSM if their opinions are such explosive ? Have you seen Hoi Polloi or Simon on CNN or France 24 or whatever ?


I am afraid you are running around in circles my friend and I am a bit too old of a fox for such an activity .

Einstein's letters do not mean much too me as well for his whole persona was also a PsyOp :)

Regarding this funny stand up artist .. Well he looks like a member of the tribe too me :)

I am referring back to my position on this subject . Israel is a whipping boy created by the real zionists in USA , UK , France and lies coming form Galloways , Buchanans of this world only entrench my humble persona in this opinion

Hamas being created by Mossad .Nothing new here . Have you heard of Mistaravim ? Check the posts on Al Qaeda by Warriorun or other members .

You are not inventing a wheel over here . Your stuff might be explosive on Alex Jones Show but not on Clues Forum .

Your great masonic president De Gaulle and his Free Frenchmen posse is a joke . No offence here . All politicians are puppets .

Don't feed me with JFK bullshit ( I am jumping a bit ahead but my gut tells me that you have some of JFK stuff in your arsenal ) . He wasn't assasinated but simply "retired" fro the scene . Another PsyOp .

Any groundbreaking info from Webster Tarpley dowloaded from PressTv youtube channel ? :lol:

Regards


I agree in full.
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby bostonterrierowner on November 8th, 2012, 3:48 pm

brianv wrote:
bostonterrierowner wrote:@Gyges

I like your input in general but please do not link to this piece of lying shit George Galloway . Why don't you post some of his comments on 9/11 ? :)

I don't think that sharing with us some stuff out of French special services is of any merit as well regardless of the guy's French language proficiency . I am waiting for some excerpts from Noam "the gnome" Chomsky ...

Ask yourself this question : Why the fuck are these dudes on MSM if their opinions are such explosive ? Have you seen Hoi Polloi or Simon on CNN or France 24 or whatever ?


I am afraid you are running around in circles my friend and I am a bit too old of a fox for such an activity .

Einstein's letters do not mean much too me as well for his whole persona was also a PsyOp :)

Regarding this funny stand up artist .. Well he looks like a member of the tribe too me :)

I am referring back to my position on this subject . Israel is a whipping boy created by the real zionists in USA , UK , France and lies coming form Galloways , Buchanans of this world only entrench my humble persona in this opinion

Hamas being created by Mossad .Nothing new here . Have you heard of Mistaravim ? Check the posts on Al Qaeda by Warriorun or other members .

You are not inventing a wheel over here . Your stuff might be explosive on Alex Jones Show but not on Clues Forum .

Your great masonic president De Gaulle and his Free Frenchmen posse is a joke . No offence here . All politicians are puppets .

Don't feed me with JFK bullshit ( I am jumping a bit ahead but my gut tells me that you have some of JFK stuff in your arsenal ) . He wasn't assasinated but simply "retired" fro the scene . Another PsyOp .

Any groundbreaking info from Webster Tarpley dowloaded from PressTv youtube channel ? :lol:

Regards


I agree in full.


Thanks Brian and I think that new users should do some head-out-of-ass pulling activity before sharing their golden thoughts with us :)
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby Gygès on November 8th, 2012, 9:19 pm

brianv wrote:
bostonterrierowner wrote:@Gyges

I like your input in general but please do not link to this piece of lying shit George Galloway . Why don't you post some of his comments on 9/11 ? :)

I don't think that sharing with us some stuff out of French special services is of any merit as well regardless of the guy's French language proficiency . I am waiting for some excerpts from Noam "the gnome" Chomsky ...

Ask yourself this question : Why the fuck are these dudes on MSM if their opinions are such explosive ? Have you seen Hoi Polloi or Simon on CNN or France 24 or whatever ?


I am afraid you are running around in circles my friend and I am a bit too old of a fox for such an activity .

Einstein's letters do not mean much too me as well for his whole persona was also a PsyOp :)

Regarding this funny stand up artist .. Well he looks like a member of the tribe too me :)

I am referring back to my position on this subject . Israel is a whipping boy created by the real zionists in USA , UK , France and lies coming form Galloways , Buchanans of this world only entrench my humble persona in this opinion

Hamas being created by Mossad .Nothing new here . Have you heard of Mistaravim ? Check the posts on Al Qaeda by Warriorun or other members .

You are not inventing a wheel over here . Your stuff might be explosive on Alex Jones Show but not on Clues Forum .

Your great masonic president De Gaulle and his Free Frenchmen posse is a joke . No offence here . All politicians are puppets .

Don't feed me with JFK bullshit ( I am jumping a bit ahead but my gut tells me that you have some of JFK stuff in your arsenal ) . He wasn't assasinated but simply "retired" fro the scene . Another PsyOp .

Any groundbreaking info from Webster Tarpley dowloaded from PressTv youtube channel ? :lol:

Regards


I agree in full.


Hi bostonterrierowner (edit), Brianv, others,

I do understand what you mean, and you must be right, so be sure I don't take it badly.

However, I'd like to say I did not intend to present De Gaulle, Einstein, Freud as honest people or good references at all. I'm particularly sorry for this Galloway I must admit I don't know well. Regarding the others, my intention was only to bring some elements showing how the creation of the state of Israel was justified through the years, and how people like them reacted to this idea. Nothing more.

Regarding De Gaulle, I just didn't want to present him as a great guy. I'm sorry if it is what I seemed to suggest. It's the same for Freud and Einstein. I absolutely don't have any affinities with them. I just thought some of their statements could helpful to understand the way zionists have rallied to his partners to their cause, whereas they sometimes didn't fully agreed the project.
I think it's the same for some people in France, even in the secret services : I really don't mean they are honest people ! I picked up on what Simon said about Richard Labévière, giving another example of an official being fired as soon as he challenges official discourse.

To my mind, It's still important to see how the idea of a jewish state was put forward : first, false news leading to the idea that there is a real "Jewish problem" in Europe, then the use of people like Herzl to "advanced" the idea, the use of well know "intellectuals" to support it, the manipulation of political leaders (or their exclusion), and so on. I do think it could be important to follow the steps of the strategy that was used to get to the point where we are now. I do believe it is the result of a very subtle play on the beliefs and the interests of different people.

Of course, they are only puppets. However, I do think they themselves are sometimes manipulated and influenced in a very subtle way, and that stressing some ambiguities in their thoughts or actions is not totally useless.

Yet, I've well understood your criticisms, and I'll really take them into account. I'm sorry for this ambiguous references. I understand that is not what is expected here. So, henceforth I'll try to avoid such references or material, and to bring better informations.

My intentions are definitely not to provide informations which have limited value, so I'll do my best to avoid it from now on.
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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby AmongTheThugs on November 8th, 2012, 9:22 pm

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Re: Influences of Israel and Zionism

Postby AmongTheThugs on November 8th, 2012, 9:25 pm

The 'lol' was for bostonterrierowner.
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