Engineering 'disease'

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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby patrix on May 2nd, 2017, 7:41 am

aa5 » May 1st, 2017, 9:56 pm wrote:Sore stomach? feeling tired? do you ever go outside, like in the woods, or gardening? Then you must be tested right away for Lyme disease.. or even Powassan!


Yes, all these horrible diseases that result in brain damage and deformed babies for which vaccines is the only prevention... I can highly recommend the latest Fakeology podcast with David Crowe. He talks about AIDS, viruses and vaccines and the so-called polio epedemic http://fakeologist.com/blog/2017/04/29/ ... vid-crowe/
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby aa5 on May 2nd, 2017, 6:17 pm

According to the history books, for people in the 1800's before all these public health measures, there were horrific plagues wiping out much of the population. Yet it doesn't really make sense that countries like America & Russia could have such high fertility & rapid population growth, if like 1 in 2 children were dying, at a young age, and millions more going down before they were able to reach adulthood. Then allegedly women having an extreme chance of dying in childbirth.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby Seneca on May 13th, 2017, 5:31 pm

aa5 » 13 May 2017, 16:32 wrote:
agraposo » May 13th, 2017, 4:15 am wrote:Very good comments.

I've also heard of studies of sick animals that live longer eating nothing than sick animals being fed with normal diets. This would mean that feeding in a state of sickness is detrimental, rather than helping the body to recover. It's terrifying to see cancer patients in hospitals being fed with normal diets. But proper nutrition is not Big Pharma's business.

Regarding the cholesterol and statins scam, I think it has been discussed in the "Engineering disease" thread, so nothing to add from my part.


I am guessing in the natural world, animals like chimpanzees go through periods of weeks with little or no food. I believe these periods allow their bodies to clean out non-functioning cells & surplus cells, and clean out all sorts of debris that has been piling up throughout their bodies.

With our organization and technology, we are essentially never going through a sustained period with little or no food. So our bodies are never getting that chance to clean out all those dead cells & debris.


Another thing I wonder about is this obsession with protein. I can understand that for a growing child they need a certain amount of protein to match up with the growth demands. But I don't see adults as needing a lot of protein. Like even when you exercise, there is some rebuilding work on the muscles. But I would think the body will recycle amino acids. I have gone through periods of eating little protein, to periods when I intentionally ate a lot of protein, and back again - and I didn't notice a difference in my muscularity.

I also look at animals like chimpanzees or gorillas which eat next to no protein compared to people, yet are actually stronger than people.


Are you sure that gorillas eat less protein?

from http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.org/ ... .2011.0321:

The concentrations of protein consumed in relation to energy when leaves were the major portion of the diet were close to the maximum recommended for humans and similar to high-protein human weight-loss diets.

By contrast, the concentrations of protein in relation to energy when gorillas ate fruit-dominated diets were similar to those recommended for humans. Our results question the generality of nitrogen limitation in terrestrial herbivores and provide a fascinating contrast with human macronutrient intake.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby aa5 on May 13th, 2017, 7:45 pm

Good reference study. I have to admit I was shocked how much protein is in leaves like spinach, when I was looking at salad mixes a few months back.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby patrix on May 14th, 2017, 2:56 am

aa5 wrote:
I am guessing in the natural world, animals like chimpanzees go through periods of weeks with little or no food. I believe these periods allow their bodies to clean out non-functioning cells & surplus cells, and clean out all sorts of debris that has been piling up throughout their bodies.

With our organization and technology, we are essentially never going through a sustained period with little or no food. So our bodies are never getting that chance to clean out all those dead cells & debris.


This is my main hypothesis regarding most of the so called Western Diseases. They are a result of toxic buildup and cell damage caused by foods we are not suited to consume in large amounts combined with a frequent eating pattern, to little sleep and stress.

We are for example recommended to eat lots of whole grains, fruits and vegetables and choose unsaturated fats. And to eat several meals during the day.
Grains, especially whole, contains lots of so called antinutrients that the body cannot break down if consumed in excessive amounts. Same goes with many vegetables and fruits. Most vegetable fats are also problematic. Some is no problem. It's the dosage that makes the poison. And the frequent meal pattern and buisy lifestyle gives the body no time to repair. The digestion is running all day and the night ours are too few. So we get into a downward spiral of toxic buildup and cell damage.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby agraposo on May 15th, 2017, 12:42 pm

patrix » 14 May 2017, 03:56 wrote:aa5 wrote:
I am guessing in the natural world, animals like chimpanzees go through periods of weeks with little or no food. I believe these periods allow their bodies to clean out non-functioning cells & surplus cells, and clean out all sorts of debris that has been piling up throughout their bodies.

With our organization and technology, we are essentially never going through a sustained period with little or no food. So our bodies are never getting that chance to clean out all those dead cells & debris.


This is my main hypothesis regarding most of the so called Western Diseases. They are a result of toxic buildup and cell damage caused by foods we are not suited to consume in large amounts combined with a frequent eating pattern, to little sleep and stress.

We are for example recommended to eat lots of whole grains, fruits and vegetables and choose unsaturated fats. And to eat several meals during the day.
Grains, especially whole, contains lots of so called antinutrients that the body cannot break down if consumed in excessive amounts. Same goes with many vegetables and fruits. Most vegetable fats are also problematic. Some is no problem. It's the dosage that makes the poison. And the frequent meal pattern and buisy lifestyle gives the body no time to repair. The digestion is running all day and the night ours are too few. So we get into a downward spiral of toxic buildup and cell damage.

Patrix, your hypothesis is well explained in some books recommended in the first page of this thread, have you read any of them? For example, Tilden's Toxemia Explained is one of my favourites. He was not the first to propose such ideas, but he was a very successful doctor curing disease without medicines.

And it seems to me that you are advocating a diet mostly consisting of animal products. Then for you the Eskimos' diet should be the perfect one for humans?
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby patrix on May 16th, 2017, 1:45 pm

agraposo » May 15th, 2017, 12:42 pm wrote:Patrix, your hypothesis is well explained in some books recommended in the first page of this thread, have you read any of them? For example, Tilden's Toxemia Explained is one of my favourites. He was not the first to propose such ideas, but he was a very successful doctor curing disease without medicines.

And it seems to me that you are advocating a diet mostly consisting of animal products. Then for you the Eskimos' diet should the perfect one for humans?

No I had not read those posts. Thank you for pointing that out. Those physicians in the early 1900, like Otto Warburg, are not mentioned much today. Of course intentionally. This correlates perfectly with my own ideas mostly derived from Thomas Seyfrieds research. This is spot on:
The medical world is struggling to find the cause of cancer. It is the distal end of an inflammatory process whose beginning may be any irritation.
In other words, cancer is the end stage of all disease.
Without Toxemia there can be no disease. The waste-products of metabolism are toxic, and the only reason why we are not poisoned by them is because they are removed from our body as fast as they are produced. Toxins are only retained in the blood when there is a checking of elimination. So the cause of the checking has to be determined.

(http://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/the-caus ... explained/)

Ah, you're laying up for a shot with the Inuit study that points out their short life span? I'm not sure how well conducted that study is and Eskimos probably had a hard life in general and high infant mortality. And maybe Inuit diet is problematic because of a too high protein content. But I do believe I've read that cancer and heart disease was nonexistent with Eskimos. I'm not recommending a diet with mostly animal products but a low carb high fat diet which means protein stays the same, no processed vegetable oils, less grain, lots of vegetables but low starch types. Little fruit because sugar. And lots of butter, cream, lard, fat fish etc and maybe coconut oil for those who like that.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby agraposo on May 16th, 2017, 10:20 pm

patrix » 16 May 2017, 14:45 wrote:Those physicians in the early 1900, like Otto Warburg, are not mentioned much today. Of course intentionally. This correlates perfectly with my own ideas mostly derived from Thomas Seyfrieds research. This is spot on:
The medical world is struggling to find the cause of cancer. It is the distal end of an inflammatory process whose beginning may be any irritation.
In other words, cancer is the end stage of all disease.
Without Toxemia there can be no disease. The waste-products of metabolism are toxic, and the only reason why we are not poisoned by them is because they are removed from our body as fast as they are produced. Toxins are only retained in the blood when there is a checking of elimination. So the cause of the checking has to be determined.

(http://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/the-caus ... explained/)

That quote is precisely from Tilden's Toxemia Explained. He, and other hygienic doctors like Herbert Shelton, and others before them, proposed that cancer pass through the following stages: irritation, catarrh, inflammation, induration, ulceration and fungation, or cancer. And the cause is enervation and toxemia, due to lifestyle and environment conditions. Nothing to do with viruses or genes. And what is the solution? Fasting and hygienic living, not drugs.

Warburg studied the problem at the cell level, and concluded that cells get sick because they can't breathe properly. Why? Because of toxins! When the body is full of toxins, and they are not handled properly, normal metabolism can't work, and fermentation is the result. This is true for every disease, not only cancer. That is the meaning of the 'unity of disease' concept, that there is really only one disease.

It's refreshing that a modern researcher, like Seyfried, endorses these ideas. At the end, he proposes as cancer therapy fasting and calorie restriction diets! Well, that was known long before him. He speaks of DER (dietary energy reduction) and KD-R (restricted ketogenic diet). But I don't understand why he doesn't even mention Max Gerson's therapy for cancer patients (very successful in the middle of the 20th century, but ignored and fought by the medical establishment).

Regarding ketogenic diets like the one you propose (and Atkins diet), I always thought they were dangerous, because they promote fat ingestion instead of sugar or carbohydrate consumption. The reason is because their proponents think that fat is a better fuel than sugar for the body.

But I warn you: don't believe that the physiology and metabolism as studied in the schools is 100% correct! Maybe 90% or more of the modern theories, as studied by doctors, could be wrong. For instance, there are theories that propose that the body doesn't get the energy from foods, but from air!, or that the immune system is a lie! : leukocytes would not be destruction agents, but the debris itself, and the microbes, instead of enemies, are our friends! (see Antoine Bechamp's microzyma theories).

Have a nice day and good luck with your health pursuit.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby agraposo on May 16th, 2017, 11:49 pm

Flabbergasted » 25 Apr 2017, 15:22 wrote:The modus operandi of the research branch of the major pharmaceutical companies is described in a book by another Danish physician, Peter Gøtzsche, specifically in the field of psychiatric drugs, though the strategy is everywhere the same.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4046551/

I read the book, and it's funny that it is reviewed in an official government site. Maybe this sentence could explain why is this:

He agrees that there are indeed many valuable drugs


He documents the corruption and practices of the pharmaceutical industry, known since decades from other sources, but he still promotes the idea that medicines are needed for health. He is not in line with doctors contrary to drugs in general. This no-drug health movement was suppressed in the early 20th century (see Eustace Mullins' Murder by Injection).

It's good that people know all this information, but it is still not the complete truth. For example, he doesn't mention that AIDS is a scam.

I think he is a controlled opposition clown.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby HonestlyNow on May 17th, 2017, 12:36 am

patrix » May 16th, 2017, 7:45 am wrote:I'm not recommending a diet with mostly animal products but a low carb high fat diet which means protein stays the same, no processed vegetable oils, less grain, lots of vegetables but low starch types. Little fruit because sugar. And lots of butter, cream, lard, fat fish etc and maybe coconut oil for those who like that.

I wonder how you can continue to recommend any particular diet when you have admitted that you haven't looked into what wondrous blessings that a diet high in fresh, RAW fruits can do for a person. What have you learned about the lymphatic system since I last brought that to your attention?
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby agraposo on May 17th, 2017, 12:47 am

HonestlyNow » 26 Apr 2017, 19:14 wrote:Cooking foods does nothing to enhance its nutrition, but instead brings down the electro-magnetics of the food, and coagulates the fats/oils, and makes the food harder to digest. Living foods (I don't mean animals), is the place to go for regenerative healing.
(edited to correct grammar)

In my opinion, the concept of 'living foods' is strange, as nobody knows exactly what life is (think of vitalism, vis medicatrix naturae, etc). Raw foods can be thought of as living foods, but the fact is that humanity has been thriving with cooked foods for centuries. Regarding the debate raw food-cooked food, I'm more on your side, but it's dangerous to give advice on these matters to people in general.

First, people have habits, and won't change them easily. Second, civilized people are so full of toxins that a raw food diet (juices, fruits or nothing at all, i.e. fasting) will certainly cause them many troubles. Many uncomfortable symptoms will arise that will be seen as diseases, instead of the cleaning process. In some cases, the detoxification process could produce even death. There are diets adapted to a more progressive detoxification, like Arnold Ehret's mucusless diet.

Even if the body is completely clean, a raw food diet against a cooked food diet is not a guarantee of living longer, because in our modern world there are more factors that influence health.

At the end, each person is responsible of educating himself and take the appropriate decisions regarding diet and lifestyle.

BTW, as a factor contributing to good health, I should be sleeping right now, instead of writing this. :)

Edit: HonestlyNow, I just read your post after writing mine.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby HonestlyNow on May 17th, 2017, 1:50 am

agraposo » May 16th, 2017, 6:47 pm wrote:In my opinion, the concept of 'living foods' is strange, as nobody knows exactly what life is (think of vitalism, vis medicatrix naturae, etc). Raw foods can be thought of as living foods, but the fact is that humanity has been thriving with cooked foods for centuries. Regarding the debate raw food-cooked food, I'm more on your side, but is dangerous to give advice on these matters to people in general.

First, people have habits, and won't change them easily. Second, civilized people are so full of toxins that a raw food diet (juices, fruits or nothing at all, i.e. fasting) will certainly cause them many troubles. Many uncomfortable symptoms will arise that will be seen as diseases, instead of the cleaning process. In some cases, the detoxification process could produce even death. There are diets adapted to a more progressive detoxification, like Arnold Ehret's mucusless diet.

Even if the body is completely clean, a raw food diet against a cooked food diet is not a guarantee of living longer, because in our modern world there are more factors that influence health.

At the end, each person is responsible of educating himself and take the appropriate decisions regarding diet and lifestyle.

Surviving, or thriving?

Nature is resilient. Our bodies that Nature made are resilient. We can beat up our bodies for years and decades ingesting substances that are acid-forming inside the body. One day, depending on genetics, and of course other factors (I don't discount other lifestyle factors, but putting substances in the body every single day multiple times a day is something I would call a major contributing factor to health/non-health) . . . one day, something will want to break free, and up pops what some people would label a "disease."

What that will show one who is informed enough to understand, is that the kidneys stopped filtering, and the lymphatic system is backed-up and stagnant. What now? Drugs, surgery, radiation, hot-acid treatments (chemotherapy)? That's what people have been conditioned to think. Drop the conditioning. Become aware.

Who cares about the living longer part, if one isn't feeling healthy and vibrant in their living?

Yes, one must learn the basics of regenerative detoxification if one wants an easier (not necessarily easy) time of it. Do not go into any type of fasting without becoming informed by people who are knowledgeable on the subject. Start slow, lower on the detoxification scale, for those who want to ease into it; start higher for those who have more courage, and those who need to clean at a faster rate due to highly congested lymph. Number One thing to do is to get your kidneys filtering (sediment in the urine).

Especially at higher levels of fasting, always know how to properly break a fast, as being haphazard in the breaking of a fast can cause death.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby patrix on May 17th, 2017, 6:48 am

HonestlyNow » May 17th, 2017, 12:36 am wrote:I wonder how you can continue to recommend any particular diet when you have admitted that you haven't looked into what wondrous blessings that a diet high in fresh, RAW fruits can do for a person. What have you learned about the lymphatic system since I last brought that to your attention?

Lol! Let's not do this again man :)
I'll give you this - Eating exclusively fruit actually seems to work for some and may have some detoxing benefits. Fruit is high sugar but that may actually not be so problematic when it's consumed together with all the fibers you get from fruit. The problem I have with it is long term. You miss out on some essential nutrients but it may take a long time before that manifests in any health problems.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby agraposo on May 17th, 2017, 8:50 am

HonestlyNow » 17 May 2017, 02:50 wrote:Who cares about the living longer part, if one isn't feeling healthy and vibrant in their living?

It was implied in the context, living longer in a healthy state.
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Re: Engineering 'disease'

Postby agraposo on May 17th, 2017, 12:41 pm

HonestlyNow, are you a doctor, naturopath, homeopath or something? Or do you have a youtube channel like those crazy raw foodists liars? :P
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