The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby brianv on June 24th, 2017, 1:47 pm

Well my best guess on the matter goes something like this -

Grenfell Towers was being used as a Refugee Holding Center, there are several of these around London, and they comprise of cheap hotels, ex-hotels and apartment blocks not fit for human habitation generally. (While in London I met a man and his children who was incarcerated in one of these facilities, sign in-out, security guards the lot. He was then "housed" in a low-life high-rise block where he was abused to the point of having to escape to another country.) The people inside these facilities are there awaiting the results of their Refugee Status Claims and those who have passed are awaiting Social Housing. So some are sent back to their own countries or to another country which will accept them and others are housed across London's boroughs. Others move to other parts of the UK and Ireland. Locals would see different people coming and going all the time.

So at a time when it was convenient, when empty of Refugees, "ACME Disaster Co." move in, Movie Fire Specialists light the place up at 1AM and the Emergency Services go into Disaster Simulation Mode. The story is given or sold in advance to the scum in the media, who then have the dead sims at the ready. You saw all the victim photos 24 hours later!

Have some gofuckme ready, make up shit and post it on Youtube and Twitter.

I went to the London Fire website to see the initial reports of the "fire" and there aren't any, it goes straight to an "Update"...
and guess what the previous incident was? Finsbury Park. :rolleyes: Other than that it's the usual cat stuck up a tree, or some clown BBQ balcony fire!

http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/latestincidents.asp

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The general public believe this to be a disaster where 80 people died by fire, now would you buy or live in an apartment block where so many died in a fire previously? Only those "in the know" would buy. Who would they be?

Or then we're left with a Faux Memorial Garden.

Could this building have been ownded by Empire Propagandists the BBC (who are located in WHITE CITY) ?

UPDATE

Movie Fire Specialists - http://www.ddafire.co.uk/

http://www.ddafire.co.uk/Film_and_TV_Fire_Services.htm :rolleyes: Eh hello!!

DDA Fire are probably best-known for our work in the Film and TV industry having worked on some of the largest fire scenes and explosions ever conceived in the UK. With over 15 years experience in working in Film & TV, and being based at Pinewood and Longcross Studios, means that we can give you the highest level of fire and safety cover for your set and film unit.


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FURTHER UPDATE

There is another possibility which pretty much involves the same except...

On Grenfell Towers wiki - it states
The concrete structure's top 20 storeys consisted of 120 flats, with a total of 200 bedrooms. Its first four storeys were nonresidential until its most recent refurbishment in 2015–2016 which converted 2 of them to residential use


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower

The "fire" allegedly started on the 2nd floor. Well it doesn't take a lot of imagination as to what might have went on during the "recent refurbishment".

You also might have noticed "This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy."
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby mnew9 on June 24th, 2017, 4:27 pm

brianv » June 24th, 2017, 10:47 pm wrote:Well my best guess on the matter goes something like this -

Grenfell Towers was being used as a Refugee Holding Center, there are several of these around London, and they comprise of cheap hotels, ex-hotels and apartment blocks not fit for human habitation generally. (While in London I met a man and his children who was incarcerated in one of these facilities, sign in-out, security guards the lot. He was then "housed" in a low-life high-rise block where he was abused to the point of having to escape to another country.) The people inside these facilities are there awaiting the results of their Refugee Status Claims and those who have passed are awaiting Social Housing. So some are sent back to their own countries or to another country which will accept them and others are housed across London's boroughs. Others move to other parts of the UK and Ireland. Locals would see different people coming and going all the time.

So at a time when it was convenient, when it was emptied of Refugees, "ACME Disaster Co." move in, Movie Fire Specialists light the place up at 1AM and the Emergency Services go into Disaster Simulation Mode. The story is given or sold in advance to the scum in the media, who then have the dead sims at the ready. You saw all the victim photos 24 hours later!

DDA Fire are probably best-known for our work in the Film and TV industry having worked on some of the largest fire scenes and explosions ever conceived in the UK. With over 15 years experience in working in Film & TV, and being based at Pinewood and Longcross Studios, means that we can give you the highest level of fire and safety cover for your set and film unit.


Alpha Foxtrot Niner One One...over and out...xzxzxzxzxz.


Nice one Brianv. A very plausible explanation as to what happened at Grenfell Towers. I see that hundreds of residents living in similar housing estate tower blocks around London are now being forcibly "evacuated" by councils due to the risk of a similar fire.

"People living on Chalcots estate in Swiss Cottage were woken during the night and told to leave their homes immediately after Camden council became the first in the country to order an evacuation of blocks at risk of a similar fire."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/23/camden-to-evacuate-taplow-tower-over-fire-safety-fears-after-grenfell-disaster

People being woken at night and forced out of their homes, seems a completely over the top reaction to a fire risk that has been in those buildings for years. There does seem an ulterior motive behind these drastic moves.

Also, if an "ACME Disaster Co." was indeed brought in to burn down Grenfell Towers then I am a little surprised that they didn't complete the job properly with a building collapse like the ones performed on the Twin Towers on 9/11. I see that that no one in the media has bothered asking the question as to how a rundown tower block in London can still be left standing after an inferno, compared to how easily the better built Twin Towers and Building 7 collapsed in New York after smaller fires.
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby brianv on June 24th, 2017, 6:34 pm

mnew9 » June 24th, 2017, 4:27 pm wrote:
brianv » June 24th, 2017, 10:47 pm wrote:Well my best guess on the matter goes something like this -



Nice one Brianv.


The AMCE thing was tongue in cheek, I meant the "operation". But yes of course it occurred to me that it didn't collapse in 11 seconds.

Also you may have noticed the "Balcony Fire" at Trellick Towers on that image, there was another earlier this year...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/f ... 18626.html

19 Apr, floor 27, nice numbers and looks well fake John.

Now as you know :D Trellick Towers is in the same Borough and is a Pop Landmark, it's said to have inspired JG Ballard's book High Rise and in turn David Bowie's Diamond Dogs Album. A vision of the future where mutant and deformed people (Tod Browning's Freaks) live and roam the high rises and "politicians" are nothing more than prostitutes. The tower has been used extensively on TV and in Pop Culture.

Trellick Tower inspired J. G. Ballard's 1975 dystopian novel High Rise and features in Martin Amis' black comedy London Fields,[7] In recent years it has become an icon of London, appearing on T-shirts, featuring in songs, films and adverts, and attracting visitors from far and wide.[8]

The Tower is featured in the 1988 film For Queen and Country, starring Denzel Washington and was the filming location for Shopping, a 1994 film written and directed by Paul W. S. Anderson. It can also be seen in the films Burning an Illusion (1982), London Kills Me (1991), Never Let Me Go (2010), Paddington (2014) and Pressure (1976), the first feature-length fiction film directed by a black film-maker in Britain.
Trellick Tower as seen from Westbourne Park

The whole of one side of the exterior to the building (top right image) was used for the credits for the BBC's children's television show Incredible Games, starring David Walliams, in the early 1990s. Among the many other television appearances the tower was shown in episode one of the comedy series My Life in Film. The building also featured as Tommy Watson's residence in Tucker's Luck, the spin-off to the popular Grange Hill BBC TV series.

Trellick Tower featured in a 1979 episode of the ITV detective drama The Professionals entitled "The Madness of Mickey Hamilton". The character the episode is named after lived in a flat located on the top floor of the building.[9]

The building appears in numerous music videos including:

Blur's video for "For Tomorrow", the video for "Kingdom of Doom" by Blur lead singer Damon Albarn's 2007 project The Good, the Bad and the Queen, and in the video for "Tomorrow Comes Today" by further side project Gorillaz
"Nothing matters" by Tricky
"I Shall Overcome" by Hard-Fi
"Little 15" by Depeche Mode
"I Want" by Department S
"We Won't Be Here Tomorrow" by Revere
"Blueberry (Pills & Cocaine)" by Danny Brown
English musician Baxter Dury's song Trellic, from his 2011 album Happy Soup, is an homage to the high-rise tower block.
"Original Badman" by Star.One ft. Takura, Assassin
"Slam Dunk (Da Funk)" by Five as the group leaves the tower's premises

In the song "Best Days" by Blur, Trellick Tower is referred to in the lyric, 'Trellick Tower's been calling'. Swedish artist Kleerup's self-titled album features an instrumental track entitled Tower of Trellick.

The album Virtue by Emmy the Great features a track called "Trellick Tower", in the lyrics of which Trellick Tower is referred to several times.

Trellick Tower also featured on the album cover for Big Audio Dynamite's third studio album Tighten Up, Vol. 88, the image being designed and painted by Paul Simonon, former bassist of The Clash and Mick Jones' bandmate.

Trellick tower is also referenced as the last track on John Foxx's My Lost City album, track 11 - "Scene 27 - Intro to The Voice Behind The Wallpaper, Trellick Tower 3am".


What do you make of the strange boxed text

Although the managing agents on behalf of the Council, Kensington and Chelsea TMO, are aware of the issue, the building is beyond their budget to upgrade, and leaseholders are left to deal with the building's condition, unable to upgrade themselves - the facade must be managed as a single entity due to the Grade II* listing. The overall cost to the building for refurbishment is in the order of GBP30,000,000 (£100,000.00-£120,000.00 per flat) as of 2013, a cost to be borne by KC-TMO and the leaseholders on a flat-by-flat basis. In addition, £22,000 of additional (per flat) charges are outstanding for basic internal maintenance.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trellick_Tower

Architect Arnie Goldfinger :)
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby aa5 on June 24th, 2017, 6:41 pm

I don't even see how a concrete, steel and glass could catch on fire. I could see limited fires like on one floor, furniture, papers, possibly even drywall catching fire. But I don't know how it could jump up to the next floor up.
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby brianv on June 24th, 2017, 9:33 pm

How about this? Grenfell Towers and Trellick Towers are managed by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensingto ... helsea_TMO

The TMO has a board comprising eight residents, four council-appointed members and three independent members.

Labour MP, Emma Dent Coad was a council-appointed board member from 2008 - 2012 ??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Dent_Coad

She is a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.

Go figure!
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby antipodean on June 25th, 2017, 9:08 am

Grenfell Towers was being used as a Refugee Holding Center, there are several of these around London, and they comprise of cheap hotels, ex-hotels and apartment blocks not fit for human habitation generally. (While in London I met a man and his children who was incarcerated in one of these facilities, sign in-out, security guards the lot. He was then "housed" in a low-life high-rise block where he was abused to the point of having to escape to another country.) The people inside these facilities are there awaiting the results of their Refugee Status Claims and those who have passed are awaiting Social Housing. So some are sent back to their own countries or to another country which will accept them and others are housed across London's boroughs. Others move to other parts of the UK and Ireland. Locals would see different people coming and going all the time.


Great analysis of the demographic that have to end up living in these places.

It must have come as big shock to the Tories to lose what was becoming a safe blue ribbon seat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensingto ... nstituency)
In just 2 years a 10% plus swing to Labour, who look as though they picked up the votes of the extra 7% who turned up to vote, given that this time round there was a distinct point of difference between the 2 parties.

Labour MP, Emma Dent Coad was a council-appointed board member from 2008 - 2012 ??


Because I'm so stoked at the Tories losing their newly created Blue ribbon seat. I want to subjectively side with the successful Labour candidate Emma Goad.
She resigned from the TMO in 2012. She is listed as having attended their AGM of September 2012. So she must have resigned shortly after.
http://www.kctmo.org.uk/files/board-mee ... t_2012.pdf

If you scroll through the above document to the 'Report and Financial Statements For year ended March 31, 2012' to the end of page 3 .
It states that there will be 6.2 M pounds invested into Grenfell Tower. To extend the life of the block greatly improve fuel efficiency and, quality of life for the residents. And support wider regeneration of the area.
I don't think Emma Goad had anything to do with how these funds were allocated.It looks as though the funds were just spent on dodgy cladding.

She may have resigned from the KCTMO because she didn't like it's culture.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ts-in-2012
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby brianv on June 25th, 2017, 5:07 pm

Because I'm so stoked at the Tories losing their newly created Blue ribbon seat. I want to subjectively side with the successful Labour candidate Emma Goad.
Huh?

I never said anything about funds or cladding. Are the other "members" of the TMO named on that PDF?

This-> She is a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.

And this doesn't strike you as being odd?
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby antipodean on June 25th, 2017, 9:34 pm

brianv » June 26th, 2017, 4:07 am wrote:
Because I'm so stoked at the Tories losing their newly created Blue ribbon seat. I want to subjectively side with the successful Labour candidate Emma Goad.
Huh?

I never said anything about funds or cladding. Are the other "members" of the TMO named on that PDF?

This-> She is a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.

And this doesn't strike you as being odd?


The other members of the TMO are named on that PDF
http://www.kctmo.org.uk/files/board-mee ... t_2012.pdf


She isn't listed here as a member of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority. Although there are only 16 names not 17.
http://moderngov.london-fire.gov.uk/mgM ... aspx?bcr=1

edit : States here she was appointed until March 31/ 2017 https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default ... .06.16.pdf
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby brianv on June 26th, 2017, 1:10 pm

Either this was a real fire where people died or it was a Psyop.

I personally do not see how a concrete tower block can be destroyed by a fridge fire. How exactly does the fire get from one floor to the next? From one Flat to the next? I've been in many such buildings and they are not Jerry-built. Well stamp me vitals, if the Hotpoint 747 had been flying, the tower would have collapsed no doubt. Not to mention the Fire Precautions in such buildings, Mandatory Fire Alarms, Smoke Alarms in each Flat, Mandatory water hoses and extinguishers on every floor and Fire Drills. Caretakers and Security Guards. The nearness and numbers of highly trained Emergency Services and Equipment and Modern Communications. Impossible I say.

So I'm going with the Psyop.

Now who would have the Planning Skills, the Resources and control over the Scum Media to carry out such an operation? The Boy Scouts? The Salvation Army? Doesn't take much figuring out does it really?
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby nonhocapito on June 26th, 2017, 6:28 pm

@brianv and aa5:

The official reason for the fire is the plastic cladding which allegedly "caught fire like a match".

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ip-hammond
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 89951.html

But this just cannot happen anymore. Materials in architecture are heavily regulated. How is it conceivable in this day and age, in the heart of Western Europe, under the oppressive rule of the EU, that a building only recently restored can nonetheless be covered by illegal material on the outside, where any building inspector can see it?


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn15BUFBvu8
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby brianv on June 26th, 2017, 10:42 pm

nonhocapito » June 26th, 2017, 6:28 pm wrote:@brianv and aa5:
The official reason for the fire is the plastic cladding which allegedly "caught fire like a match".


Sounds like they "cladded" the exterior with some Pyrotechnic Gel Packs.
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby antipodean on June 26th, 2017, 11:11 pm

Either this was a real fire where people died or it was a Psyop.


Until the following questions are answered I'm in the Psyop camp.

Why was it necessary to have someone living at a nearby address, claiming to have been a tenant in the Tower witnessing how the fire started. Resulting from a fridge catching alight in his neighbor's apartment ?

Why was the Tower's insurance policy changed 3 months prior to include Human Casualty Cover ?

From the aerial photographs depicting similar Residential Towers in the locality, why had these Towers not also been clad with the Pyrotechnic Gel Packs ?
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby simonshack on June 27th, 2017, 2:37 pm

*

WHERE ARE THE VICSIMS ?

At 0:54 into this video
and...
At 1:19 into this video...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Hy3I0jJVk

...this woman ("DJ ISla") stumbles twice into that unfortunate "Freudian slip": vicSims - instead of vicTims... :P

I've made this mp3 audio file in order to immortalize these two priceless "Freudian slips" :
http://septclues.com/AUDIO%20FILES/Wher ... ims_01.mp3


°°°°°°°°°°
I'd venture to say that ANYONE who still believes this wasn't a psyop (and that real people died in this building fire) is, sadly, brain dead.
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby aa5 on June 28th, 2017, 2:48 am

nonhocapito » June 26th, 2017, 9:28 am wrote:@brianv and aa5:

The official reason for the fire is the plastic cladding which allegedly "caught fire like a match".

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ip-hammond
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 89951.html

But this just cannot happen anymore. Materials in architecture are heavily regulated. How is it conceivable in this day and age, in the heart of Western Europe, under the oppressive rule of the EU, that a building only recently restored can nonetheless be covered by illegal material on the outside, where any building inspector can see it?


Ah that explains how the fire was able to jump floors. Ok, next question is who manufactured a very flammable and unsafe building material & who at the building materials regulatory body approved it(which being in Europe we know this is a huge, well funded agency).

And if it was unapproved who broke the rules and installed it, and which building inspector missed it. We are talking about 80 dead here.
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Re: The Grenfell tower fire "inferno", 14-06-17

Postby brianv on June 28th, 2017, 12:07 pm

Ah that explains how the fire was able to jump floors.


No it doesn't. The "cladding" might burn off on the outside of the building, but I doubt it would even catch fire. And it certainly would not affect the interior. Anything put on the building would have to conform to BS and ISO standards.
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