I decided to open a separate thread for the Kauhajoki psyop to avoid confusion, since the event has so much in common with Jokela.
The Kauhajoki school shooting was a school shooting that supposedly took place on 23 September 2008, at Seinäjoki University of Applied Sciences in Kauhajoki, a city in Western Finland. The gunman, 22-year-old hospitality managements student Matti Juhani Saari, shot and killed ten people with a semi-automatic pistol, before shooting himself in the head. He died a few hours later in Tampere University Hospital. Similar to Jokela, only one woman was injured but was in a stable condition.
The shooting occurred at the Kauhajoki School of Hospitality, owned by the Seinäjoki Municipal Federation of Education. The facilities and campus were shared between the Seinäjoki University of Applied Sciences and the Seinäjoki Vocational Education Centre. Saari was a second-year student in a Bachelor of Hospitality Management degree programme. I think some further research on the background of this school may be necessary.
And a king-sized image I found here:
Kauhajoki school shooting, Finland, 23/9/2008
Kauhajoki school shooting, Finland, 23/9/2008
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Kauhajoki psyop perps
EDIT: When I first made this post, I believed the school's caretaker, named as Jukka Forsberg (who had several shots directed at him but survived) was this man:
However, I later realised I'd made a mistake. Above was another Finn named Jukka Forsberg, who is around 33 and had nothing to do with this PSYOP. The correct Jukka Forsberg is now aged around 49:
A student in an adjacent classroom, Sanna Orpana, said that her class had heard "shooting and a kind of a rumble like tables falling down:"
A televised interview with Orpana can be seen here:
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-ArXolLjRU
Associated Press. Bad acting. Smiling, like the 'eyewitnesses' from the Utoya psyop when they gave their interviews.
Police Commissioner Mikko Paatero said that Finnish police would increase their monitoring of YouTube and other social networking sites:
'Police said identification of the bodies was slow because of blaze started by the gunman.
“The site has suffered from fires and the victims have been partially burnt,” said police Chief Superintendent Urpo Lintala.'
Reuters described the shooting as 'Finland’s second such attack in less than a year and just one day after the gunman was interviewed by police over Internet postings.'
The Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen described it as a "tragic day" and appealed for unity in the hope "that events like these will not happen again." A national day of mourning was declared for the following day, and Vanhanen travelled to Kauhajoki to meet with students.
Was this psyop carried out due to Jokela not having the desired emotional impact on the populace? I wonder if any Finns could help us out with this. I know a Hungarian poster has referred to a similar psyop in his homeland in recent years, which the public failed to react to. Perhaps for some reason Finland is seen as being a frontier country, and an important nation to crack? But in what way?
However, I later realised I'd made a mistake. Above was another Finn named Jukka Forsberg, who is around 33 and had nothing to do with this PSYOP. The correct Jukka Forsberg is now aged around 49:
A student in an adjacent classroom, Sanna Orpana, said that her class had heard "shooting and a kind of a rumble like tables falling down:"
A televised interview with Orpana can be seen here:
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-ArXolLjRU
Associated Press. Bad acting. Smiling, like the 'eyewitnesses' from the Utoya psyop when they gave their interviews.
Police Commissioner Mikko Paatero said that Finnish police would increase their monitoring of YouTube and other social networking sites:
'Police said identification of the bodies was slow because of blaze started by the gunman.
“The site has suffered from fires and the victims have been partially burnt,” said police Chief Superintendent Urpo Lintala.'
Reuters described the shooting as 'Finland’s second such attack in less than a year and just one day after the gunman was interviewed by police over Internet postings.'
The Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen described it as a "tragic day" and appealed for unity in the hope "that events like these will not happen again." A national day of mourning was declared for the following day, and Vanhanen travelled to Kauhajoki to meet with students.
Was this psyop carried out due to Jokela not having the desired emotional impact on the populace? I wonder if any Finns could help us out with this. I know a Hungarian poster has referred to a similar psyop in his homeland in recent years, which the public failed to react to. Perhaps for some reason Finland is seen as being a frontier country, and an important nation to crack? But in what way?
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NATO, Finland and the Kauhajoki psyop
Just checking out the NATO website here.
NATO’s relations with Finland are presently conducted through the Partnership for Peace framework, which Finland joined in 1994. NATO and Finland actively cooperate on peace and security operations and have developed practical cooperation in many other areas.
I wonder what that means?
From this basis, Finland selects areas of cooperation with NATO that match joint objectives.
NATO highly values its relations with Finland. The Allies view Finland as an effective and pro-active partner and contributor to international security, which shares key values such as the promotion of international security, democracy and human rights.
Civil emergency planning
Civil emergency planning is a major area of bilateral cooperation. The aim is for Finland to be able to cooperate with NATO Allies in providing mutual support in dealing with the consequences of a major accident or disaster in the EAPC area. This could include dealing with the consequences of incidents involving chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear agents, as well as humanitarian disaster relief operations.
Finland’s close ties with its neighbours Norway, Denmark and Sweden have resulted in Nordic Defence Cooperation (NORDEFCO), a further practical and efficient way for like-minded states to contribute to regional and international security.
Here is some information that stood out for me:
In every partner country an embassy of one of the NATO member states serves as a contact point and operates as a channel for disseminating information about the role and policies of the Alliance. The current NATO Contact Point Embassy in Finland is the embassy of Estonia.
Are these psyops a way to goad the general public into accepting the gradual militarisation of their country, at home? Don't forget the use of tanks in the Kauhajoki psyop:
NATO’s relations with Finland are presently conducted through the Partnership for Peace framework, which Finland joined in 1994. NATO and Finland actively cooperate on peace and security operations and have developed practical cooperation in many other areas.
I wonder what that means?
From this basis, Finland selects areas of cooperation with NATO that match joint objectives.
NATO highly values its relations with Finland. The Allies view Finland as an effective and pro-active partner and contributor to international security, which shares key values such as the promotion of international security, democracy and human rights.
Civil emergency planning
Civil emergency planning is a major area of bilateral cooperation. The aim is for Finland to be able to cooperate with NATO Allies in providing mutual support in dealing with the consequences of a major accident or disaster in the EAPC area. This could include dealing with the consequences of incidents involving chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear agents, as well as humanitarian disaster relief operations.
Finland’s close ties with its neighbours Norway, Denmark and Sweden have resulted in Nordic Defence Cooperation (NORDEFCO), a further practical and efficient way for like-minded states to contribute to regional and international security.
Here is some information that stood out for me:
In every partner country an embassy of one of the NATO member states serves as a contact point and operates as a channel for disseminating information about the role and policies of the Alliance. The current NATO Contact Point Embassy in Finland is the embassy of Estonia.
Are these psyops a way to goad the general public into accepting the gradual militarisation of their country, at home? Don't forget the use of tanks in the Kauhajoki psyop:
Re: Kauhajoki school shooting, Finland, 23/9/2008
The picture of the person under name of Jukka Forsberg is wrong one, how do i know this? because this is the picture of my fiancee and he has never been shooted or was part of this tragedy besides as much as i know the Jukka Forsberg of this unfortunate event is almost 50 years old by now and my fiancee is just 33, i ask you to please check your information twice before post it
Regards,
DianaF
Regards,
DianaF
Re: Kauhajoki school shooting, Finland, 23/9/2008
DIANAFR wrote:The picture of the person under name of Jukka Forsberg is wrong one, how do i know this? because this is the picture of my fiancee and he has never been shooted or was part of this tragedy besides as much as i know the Jukka Forsberg of this unfortunate event is almost 50 years old by now and my fiancee is just 33, i ask you to please check your information twice before post it
Regards,
DianaF
I have no dog in this race, but...you registered today just to post this?
Correction on Jukka Forsberg, Kauhajoki PSYOP
It may be that I've made a honest mistake here, with regards to the identity of Jukka Forsberg.
I found a 2008 article, with another image - which I missed before. Usually I don't make those sorts of mistakes, so I'm kicking myself here. I try to be a meticulous as I can. Diana, please pass on my apologies to your fiance.
It's important for the credibility of this forum to own up to errors when they are made...
http://www.seiska.fi/kauhajoki/_a83738/ ... ni+edesta/
And another:
http://www.kauhajoenkunnallislehti.fi/a ... tinen=5000
It's true, the correct 'Jukka Forsberg' in this case should be around 49 years old now. It's not the same guy.
The other images in this thread are correctly sourced, though.
I found a 2008 article, with another image - which I missed before. Usually I don't make those sorts of mistakes, so I'm kicking myself here. I try to be a meticulous as I can. Diana, please pass on my apologies to your fiance.
It's important for the credibility of this forum to own up to errors when they are made...
http://www.seiska.fi/kauhajoki/_a83738/ ... ni+edesta/
And another:
http://www.kauhajoenkunnallislehti.fi/a ... tinen=5000
It's true, the correct 'Jukka Forsberg' in this case should be around 49 years old now. It's not the same guy.
The other images in this thread are correctly sourced, though.
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Re: Kauhajoki school shooting, Finland, 23/9/2008
Misunderstanding aside, hope you will hang around and enjoy the site, Diana!
Re: Kauhajoki school shooting, Finland, 23/9/2008
I have to give Diana the benefit of the doubt, but after checking her Facebook profile, it seems that she is a firm believer in the Sikh temple hoax PSYOP.
She seems ideologically motivated against nationalists/conservatives. But that could just be a coincidence.
My fear is that there are a lot of people in Finland, Norway etc. who KNOW about these PSYOPs, but they choose to go along with the deception, because it fits their own political position.
That is what worries me the most. Just how many government agents are there, out there? A lot more than we think, it would seem.
She seems ideologically motivated against nationalists/conservatives. But that could just be a coincidence.
My fear is that there are a lot of people in Finland, Norway etc. who KNOW about these PSYOPs, but they choose to go along with the deception, because it fits their own political position.
That is what worries me the most. Just how many government agents are there, out there? A lot more than we think, it would seem.
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Re: Kauhajoki school shooting, Finland, 23/9/2008
So it's possible that the 'nice' Jukka Forsberg and his fiancee Diana were concocted to sew confusion and discredit those unravelling the truth.
The 'correct' (and gun happy!) Jukka Forsberg...
That is possible. Even if they are real, though, Finland seems saturated with 'perps' who are in on the 'secret.'reichstag fireman wrote:So it's possible that the 'nice' Jukka Forsberg and his fiancee Diana were concocted to sew confusion and discredit those unravelling the truth.
Anyway, here are some pictures from Jukka Forsberg's (the correct one) Facebook profile, posing with friends with firearms - after the supposed the school shooting in 2008. Does this seem like a man who personally witnessed children being gunned down right in front of him?
Now, searching through Jukka Forsberg's (the correct one) Facebook profile, I can also find that some of his female friends are in the Finnish army. I understand military service is still compulsory? The country definitely has mandatory military service for men of a minimum duration of six months (180 days); depending on the assigned position: those trained as officers or NCOs serve for twelve months (362 days), specialist troops serve for nine (270 days) or twelve months, while rank and file serve for the minimum period. Unarmed service is also possible, and lasts nine months (270 days).
Since 1995, women have been able to volunteer for military service.
So Jukka's Facebook friend working for the Finnish army doesn't necessary tell us too much about the Kauhajoki PSYOP:
However, we know that it's voluntary. She's from Kauhajoki. Remember it's a town of 14,000.
I'm wondering if Kauhajoki has any special links to the military, but I haven't been able to find anything yet.
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Kauhajoki PSYOP: Other likely perps
Preliminary investigations were handled by Prosecutor Timo Luosma, who left the matter for consideration of charges on Thursday.
The report on preliminary investigations will be submitted to Deputy Prosecutor General Jorma Kalske within the next few days.
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Office ... 5241958279
This is Kalske:
Also in this same news report we learn the following:
'...the number of witnesses questioned was 25...'
'...Police interviewed Saari on Monday September 22nd...'
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Now, I've also found the following document, available online in pdf form:
(Link - http://www.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10 ... sequence=1 )
The Finnish Defence Force has its own, quite detailed, 2030 plan. I need to get all the pages translated accurately and I will report back on what I find.
The report on preliminary investigations will be submitted to Deputy Prosecutor General Jorma Kalske within the next few days.
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Office ... 5241958279
This is Kalske:
Also in this same news report we learn the following:
'...the number of witnesses questioned was 25...'
'...Police interviewed Saari on Monday September 22nd...'
__________
Now, I've also found the following document, available online in pdf form:
(Link - http://www.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10 ... sequence=1 )
The Finnish Defence Force has its own, quite detailed, 2030 plan. I need to get all the pages translated accurately and I will report back on what I find.