Sending TYCHOS to Astronomy Institutions

Simon Shack's (Tycho Brahe-inspired) geoaxial binary system. Discuss the book and website for the most accurate configuration of our solar system ever devised - which soundly puts to rest the geometrically impossible Copernican-Keplerian model.

Sending TYCHOS to Astronomy Institutions

Postby hoi.polloi on March 24th, 2018, 12:49 am

Well, today I have been thinking about the numerous problems with Copernican heliocentrism and all of the apologists for it and I decided to give NASA "the benefit of the doubt" and ask if they have even heard of such glaring problems with their endorsed model (which would naturally have come in handy during all of their expensive, seemingly critical space missions). To my mind, the best place to educate NASA on the problems with their Copernican-Keplerian-Newtonian heliocentric mode would be the new TYCHOS.info web site, which offers many places to begin their revisions and generously offers a replacement solar system model for them to begin studying.

Here is their contact page: https://www.nasa.gov/content/submit-a-question-for-nasa

However, NASA specifically asks not to receive links in messages sent to them. So I have written and sent them this (with their rather conservative 250 character limit).

TYCHOS-to-NASA.GIF


TYCHOS-to-NASA_02.GIF


To me, they certainly made it look as though I have successfully sent them my message. Now, I suppose we just have to wait 10 to 15 business days for the message to be "processed". I eagerly await a response!
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Postby patrix on March 24th, 2018, 10:27 pm

Great idea Hoi. Will do the same to some official "space" agencies in Sweden and report any responses.
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Re: Sending TYCHOS to NASA

Postby nonhocapito on March 28th, 2018, 1:53 pm

Ideally, I think the model should be sent to organizations like these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronomical_societies
Even if many of them turn out to be compromised or obtuse or even dead silent, naturally some of these will have level-minded people that will see this as, at the very least, intellectual stimulation. This model badly needs to be put to the test by some expert astronomers. Without astronomers endorsing it I don't see how it could make it to the mainstream.
I don't mean sending a link with a brief summary, but rather sending the whole book, possibly even in print where the costs are not too high. Or is this being done already?
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Postby simonshack on March 28th, 2018, 3:42 pm

nonhocapito wrote: Or is this being done already?

Yes, Nonho - I'm taking care of this these days and will continue to do so for ... as long as I live, I guess ! ^_^
I am well familiar with that Wiki page you linked to - and am currently compiling a gigantic list of relevant, 'targeted' recipients.
Alright, so I'm not gonna send my book for free to all of those contacts - only to selected ones. I need to eat & pay my house bills, for Heaven's sakes!

As it is, one of the first persons I sent the Tychos PDF book to was Piero Benvenuti, the current general secretary of the IAU (International Astronomical Union). I did so ten days before he was scheduled to speak at an astronomy symposium held here in my small town where I live, Frascati (on March 21 - the day of release of the Tychos, as it were !)... So I naturally asked him (in my e-mail) if he would kindly read the book - and to concede me ten minutes or so after the conference for a brief private conversation.

Prof. Benvenuti did reply about a week later. As you can see, his response wasn't exactly encouraging :

Gentile Simon Shack,

ho scorso rapidamente i suoi scritti e devo dirle con tutta franchezza che le sue conclusioni sono in totale contrasto con i dati sperimentali, in particolare con le misure di parallasse e dei moti propri delle stelle della nostra Galassia. I satelliti Hipparcos e Gaia ci hanno fornito misure astrometriche con la precisione di 0.00001 secondi d'arco, permettendoci di determinare la distanza di milliardi di stelle fino a 30.000 anni luce grazie alla misura della loro parallasse annua, che lei afferma non essere stata misurata neppure per la stella Polare. Le consiglio di consultare, per esempio, il sito ESA dedicato alla missione GAIA e di rivedere le sue affermazioni ( http://sci.esa.int/gaia/ ).

La scienza avanza unicamente sulla base di osservazioni sperimentali e teorie o modelli che contrastino con i dati osservativi non possono essere considerati scientifici.

Cordialmente,
Piero Benvenuti

P.S.: Subito dopo la Conferenza devo spostarmi a Roma per un impegno.

My best translation:

Dear Simon Shack,
I have rapidly browsed your writings and have to tell you quite frankly that your conclusions are in total contrast with the experimental data,in particular with the parallax measurements and the proper motions of our Galaxy. The Hipparcos and Gaia satellites have provided us with astrometric measurements with a precision of 0.00001 seconds of arc, allowing us to determine the distance of billions of stars up to 30,000 light years thanks to the measurement of their annual parallax, which you claim not to have even been measured for the Pole star. I advise you to consult, for instance, the ESA website dedicated to the Gaia mission and to review your claims.
Cordially, Piero Benvenuti
PS: Immediately after the Conference I have to travel to Rome for a commitment.


I of course cordially replied, pointing out that my book doesn't contain any actual stellar parallax data - nor do I claim that the annual parallax for our Pole star (Polaris) "has never been measured" (as Benvenuti laments - misquoting me completely). Here's the actual sentence I wrote in my book :

"Well, the latest (2012) estimation of the Earth-to-Polaris distance (“323 light years”) is a whopping 34% shorter than the former estimate of “433 light years” (as listed in official ESA and NASA star catalogs)."

As you can see, dear Nonho, this will be the Mother of uphill battles (not that I ever expected it to be otherwise )...

Now, please know that Prof. Benvenuti (who is a lecturer in astronomical history, among other distinctions) actively encourages the efforts of university students & independent researchers - and," if they need help", to contact the IAU - as stated in this YT video:

"And remember that the International Astronomical Union is very, very keen in supporting all these efforts. So, if you need help, do not hesitate to contact us".
https://youtu.be/FxGtp6FsvO8?t=765

Well I did contact Prof. Benvenuti directly - but it seems that my 5-year-long efforts didn't even warrant ten minutes of his attention. :(
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Re: Sending TYCHOS to Astronomy Institutions

Postby hoi.polloi on April 14th, 2018, 10:56 pm

NASA doesn't seem to have responded yet but they did send one seemingly automated reply:

Dear Hoi:

Thank you for your inquiry to NASA. Apologies are extended for the delay in responding, as NASA receives thousands of inquiries each week from all across the United States and around the world.

You can learn about the solar system on the Web at http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/index.html

Solar System Exploration at: https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system

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Curiously, while many of the links sent include information about planetary bodies, none of them has a solar system model. Or if there is one, it's buried quite a few links deep as I wasn't able to find a detailed explanation of the solar system.
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