CANTOR FITZGERALD - top 9/11 vicsim hub

The most common objection people have to our research: "Too many people would have been involved to pull off such a massive hoax." Well, with trillions of taxpayers' dollars at hand, this operation could certainly afford contracting many individuals (under a gag order and on a need-to-know basis). Meet the real - and unreal - persons, companies & entities assigned to carry out this gigantic, media & military-assisted psyop.

Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby MrX on September 15th, 2011, 5:48 pm

One can try an exercise with any list of names from any organization, like a club membership list that may be published. I accessed a local one (I'm not going to say where) with 400 members and compared last names: there were four doubles. That was it. And not a Johnson or Smith or even Abate.

Doesn't prove anything per se but I encourage a look at car club lists, like Corvette USA or any org to just get a feel of these verifiable frequencies of multiples.

Another point I wanted to make is that the fairly famous online personality Max Keiser worked at Cantor and sold them his specialist technology (he says). For those who don't know, Max is the founder of "Global Insurrection against Banker Occupation", and takes shots at the 911 official story, Israel in general, and suggests hanging bankers as a solution to their fraud and theft. He could have direct knowledge in Cantor Vicsims.
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby nonhocapito on September 22nd, 2011, 3:20 am

MrX wrote:Another point I wanted to make is that the fairly famous online personality Max Keiser worked at Cantor and sold them his specialist technology (he says). For those who don't know, Max is the founder of "Global Insurrection against Banker Occupation", and takes shots at the 911 official story, Israel in general, and suggests hanging bankers as a solution to their fraud and theft. He could have direct knowledge in Cantor Vicsims.


As the story goes, Kaiser sold to Cantor Fitzgeald some software solution used by the "Hollywood Stock exchange" platform, which in turn is a simulation system with fake money and fake shares being bought and sold. How fitting that Cantor Fitzgerald (if such a company really exists) would buy such a software.

The few times I watched Kaiser's slot on RussiaTV I found it pretty disgusting, especially for the way he mistreats this woman he has in the studio while she drools over his every word as if he were an oracle or something. I think he is from the same arrogant, abusive band of the Alex Jonses, whether or not his past experience on the market is real. Sure he calls for the bankers to be hanged, but how effective are such calls? The real purpose once again seems to be to make you feel desperate because everything is falling to pieces, not to actually free you from the traps set out for your and your money. In fact, isn't desperation the biggest trap of all?
(Sorry if I seem too negative. When they're on TV, whoever they are, I don't like them.)
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby fred on September 24th, 2011, 3:26 am

Cantor Fitzgerald actually did exist as a real firm. Their e-speed division was totally fake. In my personal opinion the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald is clearly one of the real-life 9/11 perps that should be held accountable for his actions. I do believe he's one of the top salesmen for the fake terrorist attack and right at the heart of the financial scam behind 9/11.
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby nonhocapito on September 24th, 2011, 4:34 am

fred wrote:Cantor Fitzgerald actually did exist as a real firm. Their e-speed division was totally fake. In my personal opinion the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald is clearly one of the real-life 9/11 perps that should be held accountable for his actions. I do believe he's one of the top salesmen for the fake terrorist attack and right at the heart of the financial scam behind 9/11.


I can't help thinking that the whole Cantor is fake (or was, at the time of 9/11) when I hear the stories about all the employees that survived and have lost their colleagues. Being that fake, what remains in that firm that can be though of as true? But I agree with you that Lutnick is a disgusting character. Yet when I look at his face, totally personal gut feeling but I don't have the impression he is a bright person, or a leader, but rather an average criminal. Could he be a patsy for someone else that runs or ran that firm behind him? Or rather an actor?

In this video...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rf35t4d214

...the guy is seen crying for his brother etc. Sure the acting is bad, but can we seriously believe that a real CEO of a real financial firm, not even a politician or a lawyer, would be required to exercise acting skills, up to faking tears? Why the plan should require this if his face was unknown and nobody even knew who he was? I mean, everything is possible but an actor or a patsy would be the short way to go, no?
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby antipodean on September 24th, 2011, 3:41 pm

fred wrote:Cantor Fitzgerald actually did exist as a real firm. Their e-speed division was totally fake. In my personal opinion the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald is clearly one of the real-life 9/11 perps that should be held accountable for his actions. I do believe he's one of the top salesmen for the fake terrorist attack and right at the heart of the financial scam behind 9/11.


Thats interesting, I've been researching British C/F vicsim Robert Eaton. Who was a Vice President of their e-speed division.
A vice president for sales and for eSpeed at Cantor Fitzgerald

http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx?PersonID=134404

On his obituaries, mention is made of the football forum of his favorite team, which he regularly posted on, up until the evening prior to 9/11. There's a shit load of stuff on there about his memorial fund set up as early as November 2001. Robert Eaton Memorial Fund (REMF)
http://www.northstandchat.com/forumdisplay.php?4-REMF

http://www.remf.org.uk/

Also if you enter Robert Eaton into the site's search engine up come's a heap of stuff about him, from people who say they've played soccer with him, to someone even saying they worked for CF at the time of 9/11, even personally knowing the British CF vicsims. (Those that say they played soccer with him could just be making assumptions based on the team he is alleged to have played for).

Anyway, I did indeed work for Cantors, by that point I'd been there for 6 years and did another 8 years after. I knew many of those lost very well indeed, quite a few were brits working over there, and I had worked in those offices a number of times.

http://www.northstandchat.com/showthrea ... bert+Eaton

The above poster who goes by the appropriate name of 'Tricky Dicky', (scroll down to post 30) could well be in on the whole vicsim scam himself.
6,000+ posts in 7 years on a football forum could just suggest that he simply has a life outside of the 9/11 scam, in the same way that George Bush is a huge baseball fan.

The 2 difficult aspects to debunk IMHO would be his back stopping obituary on his old school's website.
http://www.oldbrightonians.com/news/robert-eaton.html
But even entering a false obituary probably wouldn't be that difficult.

And this video featuring Robert Eaton's recent memorial charity football match. In which his father presents the post match trophies & is then interviewed. (@ 8min 30sec.)
But then I suppose he could just be someone on the pay roll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AvNNNIX ... edded#t=0s

This guy is obviously a high profile vicsim. What's needed is the golden nugget to convince those that have contributed to the REMF, that Robert Eaton is a fake victim, all hell could break loose.
So Fred can you post anything on here which proves that CF's e-speed division was totally fake.
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby antipodean on September 26th, 2011, 10:28 am

I've just visited Robert Eaton's 'Friends Reunited' page, I dont know if it's me, but it appears he was attending 2 different schools more than 50 miles apart, at the same time.
He's listed as being at Brighton College until 1980
http://www.oldbrightonians.com/news/robert-eaton.html

& St Pauls Cathedral School until 1977. Below is a photo of him as a member of the 1980 St Pauls Cathedral School, Cricket team. (Robert is standing leftside next to the score board)

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This is the St Pauls Old Boys team that beat WACS in 1980 Just one of the pictures passed round at the Reunion in memory of Robert Eaton which was held on 12th January 2002 From left pictured standing: Franny Nicholls, Andrew Fish Face Jellybones Carr, Nick "fuzz" Roberts, Craig McLeish, Andy "fats" Manktelow, Robert Eaton, Chris Roberts, Ben "out surprised" Gumpert, Adrian Butterfield, Mark Withers, seated scorer Richard "sheep" Robinson

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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby SmokingGunII on September 26th, 2011, 11:22 am

antipodean wrote:I've just visited Robert Eaton's 'Friends Reunited' page, I dont know if it's me, but it appears he was attending 2 different schools more than 50 miles apart, at the same time.
He's listed as being at Brighton College until 1980
http://www.oldbrightonians.com/news/robert-eaton.html

& St Pauls Cathedral School until 1977. Below is a photo of him as a member of the 1980 St Pauls Cathedral School, Cricket team. (Robert is standing leftside next to the score board)

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This is the St Pauls Old Boys team that beat WACS in 1980 Just one of the pictures passed round at the Reunion in memory of Robert Eaton which was held on 12th January 2002 From left pictured standing: Franny Nicholls, Andrew Fish Face Jellybones Carr, Nick "fuzz" Roberts, Craig McLeish, Andy "fats" Manktelow, Robert Eaton, Chris Roberts, Ben "out surprised" Gumpert, Adrian Butterfield, Mark Withers, seated scorer Richard "sheep" Robinson

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Antipodean - There is a Robert D Eaton (Sussex) in the UK BMD (Birth, Marriages & Deaths) registered - although I haven't set up an a/c to check the finer details yet.

In response to your query with regards the "two schools", the St Paul's team is an "Old boys" which could explain this. However, I have played cricket for an "Old Boys" team and it is unusual for the team to be consisting of youngsters (Robert would have been 16 in this photo - so would the others by the look of them) - so this is confusing to say the least.

My other query would be the date of that memorial announcement on the Old Brightonians website - 11 Sept 2001. Nobody would have known that quickly that he had died for them to upload a "Memorial". Unless, of course, this is just a date of reference of his death and not when it was uploaded?

He STILL doesn't appear on the Cantor Memorial (like most of the UK "victims").

http://www.cantorfamilies.com/cantor/js ... .jsp?LNL=E
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby nonhocapito on September 26th, 2011, 5:25 pm

antipodean wrote:This guy is obviously a high profile vicsim. What's needed is the golden nugget to convince those that have contributed to the REMF, that Robert Eaton is a fake victim, all hell could break loose.
So Fred can you post anything on here which proves that CF's e-speed division was totally fake.


This is excellent research. It appears that non-american vicsims are often depository of stretched stories.

I am not surprised that on that forum there are gatekeepers that spread lies. After all the forum is connected to the memorial fund, and with the fund they probably made heaps of money. It's how the scam pays the peons that worked for it. They have the double duty to keep the forum alive, and the lies about Eaton alive too.

It becomes vital to learn who maintains and owns that forum. Maybe the team itself? And if so, who owns the team?

Of course it is theoretically possible that Eaton really existed and he is a fake victim. But exactly the posts by "Tricky Dicky" make me think the opposite. Here we have a guy on that forum who also worked at Cantor! And a few pages later, we have another guy who says he works in the WTC complex today, and from his window can see the memorial.

What are the odds? Of having two Cantor employees on one single english soccer forum? And someone else at the WTC complex to boot?
If we were to believe Eaton existed, we'd have to maybe believe that tricky Dicky is really connected to Cantor? And that the other Cantor victims he says he knew existed too?

As to the eSpeed division, interesting information can be found in this pdf:

SUBMISSION OF CANTOR FITZGERALD, L.P., ESPEED, INC. AND TRADESPARK L.P. TO THE SPECIAL MASTER OF THE SEPTEMBER 11TH VICTIM COMPENSATION FUND OF 2001 AND TO THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

http://www2.law.columbia.edu/faculty_fr ... ission.pdf

Where we learn that all Cantor vicsims came from 4 divisions:
Wholesale Brokerage, Institutional Business, eSpeed and TradeSpark.

The document doesn't give you the numbers (or the names) but I suppose most of the names were listed for espeed...

BTW, there is a lot more research about Cantor in the Vicsims thread. Maybe we should move those posts from there to here? The Cantor black hole really deserves its own line of research.
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby bostonterrierowner on September 26th, 2011, 10:28 pm

Timothy Maximilian Keiser is a really interesting person , glad you brought him up :)

Guy must have been into finance , he is doing a great job explaining how Wall Street works and how corrupt it is.He knows what he is talking about . He had a show "Oracle" on BBC and currently is hosting "Keiser Report" on RT and "On the Edge" on press TV .
He is a great supporter of 9/11 official story , unfortunately .

Very strange because Press TV is an Iranian venture, and I thought that USA actually hates Iran and vice versa . Why than an Iranian TV wont just expose America's dishonesty ?:)

Max is a close friend to Alex Jones , they show up on their respective shows quite often , I think Keiser is even a regular on the Alex Jones Show :)

In general he speaks the truth about economy being raped and pillaged by the banks and doomed by the derivatives , and lies about 9/11 .

I tried to find out more about him some years ago but I didnt manage to familiarize myself with his place of birth or more personal details. He is an American expat living in Paris and the lady you were referring to, NoHo, is Stacey Herbert :)

To his credit he predicted Iceland's collapse in a movie "The money Gaiser " and sometimes invites quality and respectable guests like Steve Keen or Michael Hudson. He is also a vocal enemy of neoliberalism/Chicago school/Washington Consensus and this attitude clearly scores some points with me :)
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby nonhocapito on September 26th, 2011, 11:05 pm

bostonterrierowner wrote:To his credit he predicted Iceland's collapse in a movie "The money Gaiser " and sometimes invites quality and respectable guests like Steve Keen or Michael Hudson. He is also a vocal enemy of neoliberalism/Chicago school/Washington Consensus and this attitude clearly scores some points with me :)


I know what you mean, Ron Paul, another big guest of AJ, used to score points with me obviously when he talked about stop spending money for wars, or ending the fed. They know how to lure you in, but you gonna know when the solutions proposed aren't real solutions...

Anyway, what I'd love to understand is whether Kaiser's "Hollywood Stock Exchange" simulation platform (date of birth 1999), later sold to Cantor, and the "espeed" division (date of birth 1999), also based on simulation and connectivity, are in fact two faces of the same operation, or two spawns of the same project: creating non-existing financial activities that have all the aspect of real activities. A project could have been aimed at creating non existing companies or divisions from scratch, Cantor included.

Cantor trades derivatives, treasury bonds, fixed income bonds and futures, and its spin-off, eSpeed, provides an electronic market-place where financial products can be bought and sold. http://www.espeed.com/pdf/War_Terrorism.pdf


For reference:
hollywood stock exchange: http://www.hsx.com/
the simExchange: http://www.simexchange.com/frontpage.php

and, believe it or not, this is eSpeed's website: http://www.espeed.com/
(as it is linked on this Cantor page. What if Cantor's website is fake? Browse in it for a while and you'll get that feeling...)

The page above was supposed to redirect to BGC's website, but something doesn't work:
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screenshot of espeed's homepage for reference, in case they fix it tomorrow

would a real web-based financial company be this sloppy? I know that eSpeed was allegedly absorbed in April 2008 by BGC (if there was anything to absorb at all): http://www.bgcpartners.com/e-broking/espeed/ but does this justify Cantor webmasters from leaving this old website and its content accessible like this?
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Postby reel.deal on September 27th, 2011, 12:17 am

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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby bostonterrierowner on September 27th, 2011, 4:48 pm

Its very possible that Cantor is fake . They "lost" over 600 employees in Twin Towers but somehow they managed to stay afloat and continue business as usual :) They were actually the most "hurt" company in these "attrocities" .

Max Keiser is most probably a controlled opposition , yelling "down with Wallstreet" and "hang the bankers" and in the same time lending credibility to the 9/11 hoax . Other explanation is that he is clueless but he is too sharp a guy for me to buy this theory :)

Like I said in a very recent post somewhere else on this forum , its not about "what is fake? " anymore but "what is real?
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby Unleashed on September 27th, 2011, 5:10 pm

I think that's pretty astute, Boston. It is more appropos to be asking "what is real", now.
If I recall, I think I posted something about Cantor Fitzgerald on here as being a "real" company
because they were mentioned so often in the 1990s, well in advance of 2001. So I assumed they
were established and that it might be just a "fake" or holding company type division that was claimed they lost employees from.

That's the thing we might consider now. How many of these financial institutions and trading company are just dummy corporations? Or are merely boiler room operations such as the one
Bernie Madoff was operating? I am sure those investors envisioned hundreds of employees working there and not just some ponzi scheme involving 5 or 6 individuals.

If there had been an adequate investigation of just the financial aspect of 9/11, would his operation have been uncovered if they had started pulling threads? How about others still operating today?
If anything the lesson of Bernie Madoff is how very few people it takes to operate an illegal trading and investment company controlling billions of dollars. And it is quite well known that there are dummy corporations and offshore accounts, mailboxes and dropboxes for companies with high profile addresses where the company exists elsewhere altogether, if at all.
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby bostonterrierowner on September 27th, 2011, 6:43 pm

Exactly Unleashed :)

What if there really is one , two or any relatively small number of corporations in the game ? All the rest is just TV/University bullshit created to act as the real stuff. Just like with politics where politicians are just puppets. Real agenda is played by very few people and is decided many years on. Regardless of all this TV noise :)

Besides the etiquete of a nut-case/lunatic , I am afraid that even myself cant grasp the magnitude of the HOAX withe capital H aka "world we live in" : )

Might be the case....
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Re: CANTOR FITZGERALD

Postby SmokingGunII on September 27th, 2011, 7:52 pm

I also have first hand knowledge that CF was a real company. That doesn't mean they didn't fake deaths. We all know by now that at least half of their "victims" - some very high profile, don't merit a place on thier Memorial site - even to this day.

E-speed appeared immediately and Suria Clarke (who supposedly died on 9/11) had an email address at BGC. Lutnick is up to his neck in this, without a doubt. :angry:
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