MISSING!

[SmokingGunII]

Simon, something else has struck me regarding the fake posters and I apologise if it has been mentioned before; why would anyone bother to write the location of the "victim" and always prominently? ie: "WTC2 floor 103". The fact that both towers were flattened would make it rather superfluous, don't you think? Of course, the intention is to promote the idea that people were on the higher storeys.

I also love the poster that says "Missing in World Trade Center tragedy".

[simonshack]

Simon, something else has struck me regarding the fake posters and I apologise if it has been mentioned before; why would anyone bother to write the location of the "victim" and always prominently? ie: "WTC2 floor 103". The fact that both towers were flattened would make it rather superfluous, don't you think? Of course, the intention is to promote the idea that people were on the higher storeys.

I also love the poster that says "Missing in World Trade Center tragedy".

Very good points, Smokey...

And yeah, "Missing in World Trade Center tragedy"

[simonshack]

....Engaging Absence (of verifiable evidence)

Marvellous quote at 2:09 :

"Michael Arad has proposed "The Absent Towers" - which was also evocative of absent people...missing."


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24tCMqqFw_0

Read all about it here... http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=516247

[hoi.polloi]

The reason the hoaxers included the floor their sims are on within the virtual WTC is because their data remixer spit out a bunch of stuff like that for use within the hoaxers' databases. Since Oracle or whomever is involved started out very slim on actual "baseball card" data for their video-game characters they call "victims", the counterfeiter team used whatever silly little shitty data they were given to try to fluff up the sims and make them seem more developed and prepared than they were. That included unrealistic and unbelievable things to include on the "Missing" posters, the posters that are very unbelievable in and of themselves.

So you end up with horrible, unrecognizable smears of "identifying photos" on posters declaring the sims' ages, jewelry, floor number of the WTC in nonsensical arrangement and plastered in alphabetical order.

Nobody died in a "9/11 attack" because the entire thing was falsified from the beginning. It's a wall of tears. It's psychological operations of some kind of hush-hush military involvement with the Bushes, Silversteins and other boring rich fucks who don't care about the average person's attraction to a democratic egalitarian society.

[Farcevalue]

Marvellous quote at 2:09 :

"Michael Arad has proposed "The Absent Towers" - which was also evocative of absent people...missing."


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24tCMqqFw_0

Read all about it here... http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=516247[/quote]

I guess it could be explained by paranoia, but some of these contrived reports smack of gloating and have "mark of zorro"-like in your face references. "Both the families and people who have no other connection than what they read in the papers or saw on TV." That's the ONLY connection they have, as there isn't anything else, except what was seen on TV.

And I will probably be blasted somewhere by someone as being an anti-semite, but how many references to Israel could have been squeezed into this article, without it being a full-on fund-raiser for a new local temple B'nough al Ready? 12 jurors, an Israeli architect, an holocaust author, planting a tree to signify life....yeesh. I think all religions are wacky jaunts into irrationality, but there are some 3200 registered Christian denominations, not to mention Islamic sects. Well, I guess those would have been discarded out of hand, but what are the odds?

[simonshack]

*
CLUSTER(FUCK) OF "P" 's

From the Urban Dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... lusterfuck

- clusterfuck
Military term for an operation in which multiple things have gone wrong. Related to "SNAFU" (Situation Normal, All Fucked Up") and "FUBAR" (Fucked Up Beyond All Repair).

You've got to admire those anxious families keeping their cool on the evening of 9/11, as they rushed down to Manhattan to plaster the walls with their loved ones' "Missing" fliers - carefully making sure they were all placed in alphabetical order.
Oh - the wonders of human composure in times of common grief and solidarity!

[Equinox]

With only
pics of Joseph ever?

[whatsgoingon]

The alphabetical order is astounding. I think I posted a blog from some guy that went through all the poster pictures and noticed how crazy this phenomena was. I thought about the logistics of it. You would need to make space for all the p's and not squish them with adjacent r's and o's and n's for example. Good luck with that with a stack of 3000. They just posted them right off the MS Word document that printed the file created by the "mastermind" of the posters project. They forgot to scramble them clearly.

[hoi.polloi]

I assert again that it wasn't just a "mistake" to do this. It is clear to me that the Wall of Tears was created to be displayed in alphabetical order by last name as much as possible.

This is because if the names are put in numerical order as they were spit out by the database and lazily arranged on the CNN memorial site, it is more likely for two close morphs of one another to be adjacent.

Someone decided at one point or another while building the "Vicsim monster"/Wall of Tears to scramble the nameless photos visually first, then give them alphabetical names in order to artificially enforce their scrambling attempt. The vicsims seem to have started out as nameless morphs in a database/animation/photoshop type program. Then they were arranged. Then named. They always display carefully chosen "special vicsims" with videos and other attempts to make them more real or else they show a list like the "Voices" and CNN sites.

The trouble with their mosaic of vicsims is that it begins to break down with the least amount of examination.

Now that we know their technique, we can catch them avoiding such murals. Look at the latest psy-ops and note how few of them display all the vicsim pics together the way they foolishly did so with 9/11 and 7/7 and other psy-ops made with Israeli-Anglo intelligence type programs.

[MarioOnTheFly]

I'm still battling with this new concept for me...no victims concept. I concur that many posters were faked, but this does not still get me to the no victims side.

Any way...wanted to see If I can research any of the alleged victims. Since I'm not in the states, wanted to see if there were any victims from my own country that happened to be at the towers.

So I checked to local websites of mentioning Croatian WTC victims, because it was also a big news over here when it happened. Anyway...http://www.jutarnji.hr/hrvati-iz-wtc-a/154079/

Ured moje tvrtke tada se nalazio na sedmom katu. Nisam se previše osvrtao kad se zatresla zgrada. Mislio sam da je to od eksplozije bojlera koje su se tada često događale. Nastavio sam raditi dalje, no jedan je električar počeo vikati da se ruši zgrada. Pogledao sam kroz prozor i ugledao dijelove zgrade i konstrukcije kako padaju s vrha. Svi smo se veoma brzo našli vani, a tek kada smo izašli na svjetlo dana, vidjeli smo vatru i gusti dim koji je dolazio s viših katova. Nisam mogao razaznati što se točno dogodilo. Pokraj mene je stajao stariji gospodin koji je pričao telefonom sa suprugom te joj objašnjavao kako se u zgradu zabio avion. Upravo u tom trenutku iznad moje je glave proletio i drugi avion i srušio se na susjedni toranj. Prolaznik koji je pričao na mobitel, panično je počeo govoriti supruzi da ne može više ondje ostati i da će krenuti kući, i tada sam shvatio da ni ja više nemam tu što raditi. Bilo je vrijeme da pođem doma, supruzi, a tko zna, možda mi je to drugi put spasilo život jer ulice grada tada nisu bile sigurne - prisjećao se Kapović....

I know I know...it's in Croatian. After reading the article...I think there is some valuable info...or disinfo, that you guys would find useful in research. I promise to translate the article as soon as I get home.

In the mean time...do we have irrefutable proof of just one victim being fake out of the "bunch" ? I need just one please...no posters arguments, but firm concrete evidence that a person is alive or non existent ?

Thanks

[nonhocapito]

In the mean time...do we have irrefutable proof of just one victim being fake out of the "bunch" ? I need just one please...no posters arguments, but firm concrete evidence that a person is alive or non existent ?

The missing posters are just one of the arguments to prove the victims are fake. I am sorry but you really have to read through this forum, there is no special shortcut --unless all you care about is trolling, which I assume is not your intention. If you wanna really learn about this story, just read through it. The cumulative evidence is everywhere. Fake missing posters? How about fake companies, fake memorials, fake pictures, fake family members, fake biographies, fake friends... The only real things about the victims of 9/11 are the money that went from the citizens' pockets into the scammers', through the pretend-families of the pretend-victims.
If you want a starting point about the vicsims, probably this thread will do: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=246

[whatsgoingon]

I assert again that it wasn't just a "mistake" to do this. It is clear to me that the Wall of Tears was created to be displayed in alphabetical order by last name as much as possible.

This is because if the names are put in numerical order as they were spit out by the database and lazily arranged on the CNN memorial site, it is more likely for two close morphs of one another to be adjacent.

Someone decided at one point or another while building the "Vicsim monster"/Wall of Tears to scramble the nameless photos visually first, then give them alphabetical names in order to artificially enforce their scrambling attempt. The vicsims seem to have started out as nameless morphs in a database/animation/photoshop type program. Then they were arranged. Then named. They always display carefully chosen "special vicsims" with videos and other attempts to make them more real or else they show a list like the "Voices" and CNN sites.

The trouble with their mosaic of vicsims is that it begins to break down with the least amount of examination.

Now that we know their technique, we can catch them avoiding such murals. Look at the latest psy-ops and note how few of them display all the vicsim pics together the way they foolishly did so with 9/11 and 7/7 and other psy-ops made with Israeli-Anglo intelligence type programs.

I agree with your analysis. I have not thought about their genesis and the period prior to their naming. The hardest effort would have been to name the images. Names and ages and workplace and gender are trivial to fake.

FYI. I did a statistical analysis of the age demographics, where I analyzed the trailing digit. This method is used to detect fraud. The trailing digit analysis though shows that 0-9 digits were chosen fairly well at random and no particular digit was used excessively more that its statistical average. Someone generated those ages with a computer program in my humble opinion. Humans have great difficulty in assigning fraudulent numbers without inserting bias from the statistical average.

[Equinox]

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The career - and antics - of Mr. Steven Rosenbaum never cease to amaze me.

First, please read my last post about the guy to get the full picture of the personnage:
viewtopic.php?p=2364110#p2364110

Then, read about Steven Rosenbaum (founder and CEO of Magnify.net) here: http://www.magnify.net/company/team


Next, take a cursory look at the dreadfully messy September Clues Magnify.net website (which has been up for years - apparently set up by a longtime September Clues fan by the nickname of "Spiney" - who I have never really trusted/befriended/or been much in touch with - due to his consistently odd/cryptic/ghost-like behavior) :
http://www.septemberclues.magnify.net

Could Rosenbaum himself possibly be behind September Clues Magnify.net ? Well - just a 'funny' thought...




Now, get this, folks:

Steven Rosenbaum wrote:
"For the past 3 years, I've had the privilege of being able to document the process of planning, designing, and building
the National 9/11 Memorial and Museum."

(...)

"Steven Rosenbaum is an author, documentarian, and filmmaker. His 5-year-long longitudinal study of the design, development, and construction of the National 9/11 Memorial and Museum entitled: "Engaging Absence" will be published in 3 parts. The first element, a photobook, is slated to be released on 9/11/11."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-ros ... rial_Plaza

Wow. The man is truly a Jack-of-all-trades !

Wow. The man is truly a Jack-of-all-trades!

Yeah Buddy,

First, please read my last post about the guy to get the full picture of the personnage:
viewtopic.php?p=2364110#p2364110

Mr. Rosenbaum’s pre-9/11 company, BNN TV, employed over 80 people and occupied five floors of a Fifth Avenue building in Manhattan. The proud slogan of his company was “BNN TV Changes the Way Stories Are Told”. His clients included CNN, CBS News, MSNBC, HBO and Court TV. The studios were equipped with state-of-the-art AVID video editing equipment - the sort of which you only find in major Hollywood studios.

Steve Rosenbaum, Founder and CEO

I was a magician in high school…
Steve Rosenbaum's earlier "magic" bird tricks

Steve Rosenbaum's Latter "magic" bird tricks


( Bird post- viewtopic.php?f=17&t=386&start=15#p2363805 )
Magic fail!


Steve----I’ve made a ton of films, documentaries, and web projects for partners including HBO, Discovery, A&E, MSNBC, and CNN.

[Equinox]

Next, take a cursory look at the dreadfully messy September Clues Magnify.net website (which has been up for years - apparently set up by a longtime September Clues fan by the nickname of "Spiney" - who I have never really trusted/befriended/or been much in touch with - due to his consistently odd/cryptic/ghost-like behavior) :
http://www.septemberclues.magnify.net

“Spineys Post in clues forum---“ http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2350431

About spiney...http://seofollow.net/blog/author/spiney/
---I am a historian, musician & multi-media artist

I Looked a bit further…

About us...
http://seofollow.net/blog/about/

Spiney ---Spiney & Logicfish have been geeky friends for – let’s just say a ‘long time’ with a combined experience of 50 years computing generally & over 25 years professionally developing multimedia, software applications, Content Management Systems & a myriad of websites.

Read more: http://fr.technorati.com/people/logicfish#ixzz1ohTfUZGZ

So they are Experts in media and die fans for life of clues.info but never once contribute towards clues. info?

Mark ‘Logicfish’ Fisher....http://fr.technorati.com/people/logicfish


Mark--I am a developer from the UK, co-administrator of the network}wq2rx

Spiney--Meanwhile I had been working on a tagging method quietly for some months, & alongside spineymedia was ‘we2ru’ which is now better known as ‘wq2rx’ a very simple 5 character naming convention with a single digit in the middle. It was very easy to establish an identity that had no connection with anything living.
Spiney= Wq2rx
I don’t exactly no what Wq2rx is but it seems very shilly.

Could Rosenbaum himself possibly be behind September Clues Magnify.net ? Well - just a 'funny' thought...

Spiney---with a combined experience of 50 years computing generally & over 25 years professionally developing multimedia, software applications, Content Management Systems & a myriad of websites.
Steven--- the Magnify team is a growing band of media makers, code wranglers, and web evangelists who are committed to making video a team sport.


...Well they sure do share A LOT in common, would be beggars belief they did not know of each other.
It also beggars belief that this website and research, that is September Clues .info swept under the rug. Or is just in some far out-post in galaxy known as the internet. It defintly attracts some very interesting charecters. Who are major experts in the industry, and support this website for YEARS yet only post once?




EDIT---Simon I just found this page of spineys where he as hardcore referenced and mashed up like EVRYONE that has put out a Vid in regards to fakery.... http://911videomashupstop50.blogspot.com.au/ expert video editing media defintly !! hmmmmm

[hoi.polloi]

The Triumph of Maintaining the Spiral of Silence through Selective Alt-Celebrity

I became slightly suspicious of this "Found Magazine" when it first came out in 2001. It seemed to "borrow" the appeal and aesthetic of punk without actually representing any sort of protest of the status quo (a valuable founding aspect of the punk movement.)

Now that I look back on it, the second printing - which included some 9/11 strata - seems like the "Who is John O Niel?" project meant to get the attention of - but not answer any questions by - those who are actually attentive to minor details. Could be innocent lack of curiosity but of course, seeing what the perps are willing to do to cover their bases, this magazine might be intentionally vague. Or kept vague.

Here is a page from the 2nd edition of the first issue. I scanned it and blew up the text, which was written by Davy Rothbart, the main man behind the scenes of the mag.



Curiously, Rothbart's "discovery" of a "premonition" here (and dismissal of such) was not revisited, but Rothbart has gone on to become a "cool" media figure with people like 9/11 actor Steve Buscemi wanting to turn his useless junk into movies.

The Lone Surfer of Montana, Kansas, a collection of Rothbart's short-stories, was published in August 2005 by Simon & Schuster. A shorter version of the same book was previously self-published by Rothbart's own production company, 21 Balloons Productions (named after Rothbart's favorite book, The 21 Balloons, by William Pène du Bois). An Italian edition, Il Surfista Solitario del Montana, was published in 2007 by Coniglio Editore. In 2008, actor Steve Buscemi optioned the book for film adaption, to be developed by Olive Productions; Buscemi has written the screenplay and plans to direct.

Is he connected or what? (More importantly, what is he connected to?) He is a favorite of another "casual non-critical observer" publication of sorts - the audio program on NPR (National Public Radio, or as my dad likes to call it "National Petroleum Radio") called "This American Life" which is like Coast-to-Coast for the religious followers of popular (fake) science and the triumph of the underdog nerd (as long as they keep very quiet about the major actual corruption of our country).

Yet another "alt-media" media darling, who clearly isn't "alternative" at all but merely silent on subjects of actual importance. Could be a case of the media "keeping one's enemies close" in order to steer him away from his true skill at discernment (how I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt here) ... but it also could be that he is just another boot-licking slave to the glistening carrots of semi-fame dangled by the jingoistic bullshitters.

Coming to one's senses, indeed.