9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

[HonestlyNow]

I linked to Barbara Olson's book on Amazon.

On more than one occasion in history, a published book has been ghost-written. Is there a reason why, just because a printer printed the name "Barbara Olson" on the cover and pages of a book, that we should believe she is a 'real' person?

eta: And publishing a book bashing Ms. Clinton is sure to be a best seller, thereby making Ms. Olson's name sure to be talked about in many households. Score one for the perps.

[hoi.polloi]

I linked to Barbara Olson's book on Amazon.

On more than one occasion in history, a published book has been ghost-written. Is there a reason why, just because a printer printed the name "Barbara Olson" on the cover and pages of a book, that we should believe she is a 'real' person?

eta: And publishing a book bashing Ms. Clinton is sure to be a best seller, thereby making Ms. Olson's name sure to be talked about in many households. Score one for the perps.

Yes, exactly. It requires no comment to even point this out. It is distressing that someone like you so-cal wouldn't think of this and you'd just assume a book jacket contains true information rather than something we have in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries called "marketing information".

[SoCal fellow]

Guys, there is nothing that will convince you that Tom and Barbara are real. Except for a photo of Simon with Tom and Barbara, holding up a copy of the NYT dated before 9/11, and with Simon having fingerprints from them, to compare to their birth fingerprints.

So be it.

That would be a lot of work, me writing those 173 opinions. Note, that when you click on the author of an opinion, it goes to any other reviews that they would have written. So, I would have had to create lots of identities and lots of reviews, many more than 173.

Trust me, I work smart (which is how I got to retire at age 46), not hard, and that is a lot of hard work!

[HonestlyNow]

. . . Tom and Barbara are real.

Yes, they are real actors. Real people playing characters named "Tom" and "Barbara".
Is that what you mean? Having the actors' fingerprints compared to their birth fingerprints, and posing in photo-ops with whoever, would then prove what?

[nonhocapito]

Guys, there is nothing that will convince you that Tom and Barbara are real. ...
That would be a lot of work, me writing those 173 opinions. Note, that when you click on the author of an opinion, it goes to any other reviews that they would have written. So, I would have had to create lots of identities and lots of reviews, many more than 173.

You have just been told that the existence of these books does not mean the existence of Barbara Olson. It only means that in 1999 a "Barbara Olson" was already being forged and implanted in the public consciousness by the media industry. Hence the reviews, be them true or false, do not count and do not prove anything. The physical existence of those book does not prove anything.

So, you say, it is impossible to "convince us"! How frustrating! But why should you be here to convince us? Why this mission? Something far more important happens on this board that has nothing to do with our being or not convinced by your "arguments". On this board you can observe, investigate and comprehend a method. This is the whole point. Realizing that it is possible to fake things up to these levels: fake identities, fake stories, fake careers, fake pictures, fake books etc etc. All for the sake of that plan. You appear to have missed this realization only because you are here with an agenda.

[nonhocapito]

BTW, I just noticed the alleged birth date of "Barbara Olson". 27 December 1955.
Upon a rapid excursus in Wickedpedia, I find out that on the 27 December 1910 Charles Olson, american poet, was born. I wonder if this is an homage or what.
Laughable (but I am sure others have picked up on this) is instead the birth date of the alleged "spouse" of "Barbara Olson". Theodore Olson was born on September 11th, 1940.

[SoCal fellow]

n-h-c-, 'Barbara Olson' spoke on TV before 9/11, multiple times. I watched her. I was a dumb, blind Republican, then, and she was a captivating speaker.

Here in the U.S., hundreds of thousands saw her speak on TV, repeatedly, long before 9/11.

If you ever speak to, or e-mail, a 'conservative' Republican, ask them if they saw Barbara Olson speak on TV in the years before 9/11. Chances are, they will say, 'Yes, of course.'

The universe of people who knew Tom Burnett was much more limited. Professionally, the only folks who would know him would be sales reps who sold ventricular assist devices (low hundreds, tops) and transplant surgeons (low hundreds, tops). Beyond that, there would be tangential acquaintences, like me, who knew Tom.

I stand by my statement that there was a living, breathing person who was named, or positioned as, 'Barbara Olson' and 'Tom Burnett' at least a few years before 9/11.

[nonhocapito]

So, you see something on TV and assume it is real.

[nonhocapito]

I could express my doubts on these alleged numerous appearances of Olson on american TV. Imdb does not register many.

But in any case: if you are now so eager to admit that she might have been an actress and not a real "Barbara Olson", why are you even bugging us with your Tom Burnett being real? What's the big message you are leaving us with? What's your storyline? That maybe some of the fake victims were impersonated by actors? Is that it? That's rather different from what you appeared to be saying at first...

[SoCal fellow]

Good research, n-h-c-, finding her on IMDB.com.

I read the VicSim report to say two things: (1) all of the 'victims' were computer creations/alive only in 'e-space' and (2) no one died on 9/11.

I believe (2) is possible.

I brought up 'Tom' and 'Barbara' and their public, documentary footprints to show you that (1) is not true. At least two of the 9/11 victims were real persons, and not computer creations/alive only in 'e-space.'

Whether they were Tom and Barbara, or were longstanding CIA/Illuminati plants whose 'public' names were 'Tom' and 'Barbara', I have no idea.

But, the fact that Barbara was reported alive and arrested in Europe supports your point (2). And, the fact that a second report stated that her arrest took place on the non-existent Polish-Austrian border hints to me that the CIA published the second report, in the hope of discrediting the first report.

[whatsgoingon]

I am down with the idea that Olsen et al. (at least a few of them) were actors on Fox News or whatever. I am a little surprised that Tom was an actor; but a quick glance on the memorialized Golf Tourney and donation sites make the whole thing clear.

Tom Burnett is a ghost death used to suck money from the sheep.

[SoCal fellow]

w-g-o-, I do not think that 'Tom' and 'Barbara' were actors.

'Tom' was knowledgeable about ventricular assist devices and their sales and marketing.

'Barbara' fielded questions and handled them convincingly on TV. She seemed sharp. She was no teleprompter reader, seems to me.

Both were either real or long-time undercover operatives/plants.

I believe Simon and h-p- that Tom and Barbara are probably alive somewhere.

I agree, the summer camp that 'Deena' lends her 'name' to seems suspect. If you say that they collect money and do not deliver services -- only staged photos or videos -- that sounds plausible to me, w-g-o-.

Lots of chutzpah in these folks!

[fbenario]

why should you be here to convince us? Why this mission? Something far more important happens on this board that has nothing to do with our being or not convinced by your "arguments". On this board you can observe, investigate and comprehend a method. This is the whole point. Realizing that it is possible to fake things up to these levels: fake identities, fake stories, fake careers, fake pictures, fake books etc etc. All for the sake of that plan. You appear to have missed this realization only because you are here with an agenda.

Nonho, this perfectly distills what we do, and thus what we offer to the world. Very well-spoken, very elegantly put.

[whatsgoingon]

Define "real."

The effect is what is real. Did the Burnett Foundation make money off of naive contributor donations based on what I can see are a couple of copy and pasted images? Not a lot of stuff on the man, but that donation web site went up in a heart beat. I mean really a man with millions of dollars in insurance sure needs a foundation. Why didn't his family just create a foundation with his fortune? Why did they need the sheep to bankroll them?

See now it all makes sense. Always follow the money. The rest is noise and speculation. The money was always the motivator for 9/11. It all boils down to money, oil, currencies. It is not as if we don't have working minds here.

In any case, nothing to discuss, since the images have been discussed. Anything new is post-dated and quite boring.

[TrutherInTX]

SoCal fellow,

Does your conscience ever get to you? Is it really worth the money? If you have family of your own, can you be confident that those that paid you to participate will not do devious things that hurt those you love? The people that staged 9/11 are selfish and hurtful. Why don't they do something good?