9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

[SoCal fellow]

T-in-T-, I retired from my own savings and savvy investment, not from some payoff.

I am an upright, unimpeachable person.

I agree wholeheartedly with you, that the evil cabal that foisted 9/11 upon us is terrible, and the participants are probably satanic.

I look forward to the financial failure of our corrupt government, Wall Street banks, and The Federal Reserve. Once the money dries up, they will not be in a position to pay minions for dirty deeds, such as the damn chemtrail spraying.

[hoi.polloi]

While examining your motivations, I find it interesting that you have chosen to punctuate things not with periods but with dashes. Can you explain where you picked up this bizarre habit if it is not an idiosyncrasy of the character you are "playing" here?

I agree with nonhocapito. Your observation skills are pretty useless if images on television are all it takes for someone to be real to you. This makes me doubt you could even recognize the difference between Burnett and an image of Burnett, let alone an alleged memory of the character. Finally, a "robot" is different from a "puppet" (brainwashed person) or simply actor with make-up (digital or otherwise) - why has this possibility not yet made itself known in your effacing of the theory that all the vicsims may be little more than cyber creations?

I don't understand your reasoning. Everything in 9/11 is fake except one of the easiest thing to fake of all - namely, the facts about a human being as expressed by that human being, also known as lying, acting, disguise and/or augmented reality?

Did you know the earliest technology of film was used to create illusions?

[whatsgoingon]

Images and words are references to the real. When the debate is shifted to substituting the reference for the real, then the real is lost.

[hoi.polloi]

Right. That seems to have been SoCal fellow's goal, substituting the real with references.

[fbenario]

SoCal fellow,

Does your conscience ever get to you? Is it really worth the money?

No kidding. SoCal must not have a conscience, or feel shame. His views are held in contempt by the regular members of this forum, yet he continues to waste his time here.

[antipodean]

I've just dug this out from a link posted on 'Lets roll'.
Sort of interesting, an upbeat Babs Olson on C-span 2 days before 9/11, she mentions about being married to Ted, also talks about something happening on Tuesday (9/11) when talking about the Bush administration's reading policy for young school kids.

Also a caller accuses her of being evil, & not having long to live.

I just find it a bit odd that I've not come across this before. The poster who posted the link on Lets roll, is in the 'Babs is Lady Booth' camp.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/NewsReview872

[SoCal fellow]

Nice find, anti-.

h-p-, w-g-o-, s-s-, this is the 'Barbara Olson' that I watched over the years. She is too sharp to be a script-reading actress, in my opinion. She has a real and independent mind. She looks, acts, and sounds like the lawyer that she purportedly was.

This does not look like a two-dimensional photo VicSim, and is purportedly from before 9/11.

[lux]

She is too sharp to be a script-reading actress, in my opinion.

She was a professional television commentator.

You're saying a TV commentator is "too sharp to be a script reading actress."

Do you know what TV commentators do for a living? How did you arrive at this opinion?

[whatsgoingon]

I refuse to discuss a reference or image or someone's predetermine value system for "sharpness." This is not the research. The research is that people did not die and the images are frauds. The details around the edges are like during the D-Day invasion the Generals decided to discuss what was going to be for lunch: chicken salad or fruit salad.

Sorry, SoCal time is up. We are bored.

[SoCal fellow]

Please tell me what, specifically, is fraudulent about that 9/9/01 interview?

[simonshack]

Please tell me what, specifically, is fraudulent about that 9/9/01 interview?

Dear SoCal,

Let me answer your question: nothing. Barbara Olson perhaps existed before 9/11 - and still does today under a new identity.
Here's another appearance of Barbara Olson, by the way: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/WomensF

I personally have no problem envisaging that a handful of 'high-profile' 9/11 victims were flesh-and-blood people which were simply 'disappeared'. I have stated this several times on this forum : http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2349063

I repeat: "a handful". Not 2900 or so!

For all I know, your acquaintance "Tom Burnett" might be one of this handful of disappeared people. Does this answer your questions?

Now, allow me to ask you one question (or three). Please kindly respond to them - thanks! :

Do you believe Barbara Olson died on 9/11 in "Flight 77", crashing into the Pentagon while on the phone with her husband, solicitor general Ted Olson? Or that Tom Burnett perished in the heroic "Flight 93" - while talking on his cellphone with Deena? David Angell, did he die inside "Flight 11"?

[nonhocapito]

Barbara Olson perhaps existed before 9/11 - and still does today under a new identity.
Here's another appearance of Barbara Olson, by the way: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/WomensF

It is a minor issue, especially since it can not be solved at this stage -- and I certainly don't wanna get in the way of your questions to SoCal: but my gut feeling is that, at most, there were agents/actors who for a short while or occasionally impersonated a few imaginary characters: but those characters never really existed.

Probably I'm wrong but I tend to think that there never was a real "Barbara Olson" born "Barbara Kay Bracher". There never was a "David Angell" married to "Lynn Angell", etcetera.
The characters, like all the other vicsims, are essentially imaginary: only in certain cases they were impersonated or "used" by actors to reinforce the credibility of a particular story. I don't see any impediment in imagining that Olson was really one of these agents/actors, her alleged being "sharp" or "convincing" according to SoCal proves nothing in this sense.

Certainly I am not 100% convinced of this, as it is a gut feeling which is not really being driven by definitive clues. It mostly comes from the cumulation of bad quality portrait images, scarcity and standardization of biographical notices, and other incidental details, like the birthday of "Theodore Olson" being 11th september 1940. Too little rings true, too much rings false around these stories... And there are other significant circumstances: for instance the fact that all appearances of Barbara Olson, like the terror attacks of Al-quaeda pre 9/11, are documented in the years very close to the date of 9/11, in other words just in time to impress in the public eye a certain reality, with the less effort possible before the public forgets again.

To sum up, my impression is that there is not a "Barbara Olson" still out there today under a new identity, but rather an agent who, at a certain moment of her disgraceful career, impersonated that fictitious character.

[SoCal fellow]

"...Do you believe Barbara Olson died on 9/11 in "Flight 77", crashing into the Pentagon while on the phone with her husband, solicitor general Ted Olson? Or that Tom Burnett perished in the heroic "Flight 93" - while talking on his cellphone with Deena?..."

Certainly the phone calls did not happen (the FBI admitted such at Moussaoui's trial). And, your video evidence of fakery throughout 9/11 leads me to doubt if many, or any, people died that day. Your VicSim thesis looks quite plausible.

I think the reports of Barbara Olson being alive, and on the lamb in Europe, may be true, given the evidence that you have pieced together and the 'disinformation' counter reports.

There certainly is lots of evidence from your work that leads me to question, and really doubt, whether Barbara or Tom died on 9/11, Simon.

[SmokingGunII]

I seemed to have lost an earlier post where I stated that IMO, there were a small gropu of "real" people that "perished " on 9/11. These included; Barbara Olson, Todd Beamer, Mark Bingham and Tom Burnett, Father Judge, amongst others.

I believe that all of these have since resurfaced under a new ID and are protected much like the witness protection programme in the US.

Olson moved in the right circles, both politically and through the media to have been part of the bigger picture. My biggest concern having watched the video Antipodean posted in it's entirety, is that she doesn't appear to look like somebody who knows that, in two days time, they will disappear, undergo plastic surgery and resurface a few years later.

I was one of the first people at 911M to notice the similarity between Barbara Olson & Lady Booth. Even today, their features remain constant, even though eye and nose shape has changed. Video enables us to compare mannerisms, something surgery can't erase and whilst I cannot say for certain the two women are one and the same, I remain firmly in the "very possible" camp.

So, how do we determine who Olson was? She purportedly married Ted in 96. Records must exist of this marriage. Similarly, she was reportedly a lawyer. What type of law did she practice and are there historic records of the cases she handled? Let's see if she has a back story. remember, she was a high profile woman, with a high profile job. There must be evidence of her life pre- Ted Olson, if she was more than shadowy agent playing a role?

Wickedpedia tells Ted Olson has been married 4 times, yet lists only Bracker and Booth. Why? Perhaps we should investigate Theodore himself and try to determine how he rose to the position of Solicitor general and Bush confidant?

As a body of research, this forum will attract more and more people over the coming years - possibly claiming to have known somebody that "died" on 9/11. To date, Socal has not posted anything that makes me doubt his word. He doesn't claim the man died on 9/11, but suggests he wasn't an actor and I agree with that position. I think these people probably did exist and worked for companies that employed agents, whether CIA or Mossad or some other black ops.There is no reason he would have a photo of Burnett. I have worked with hundreds of people and socialised with many of them, but I don't have one photo of them. This, of course, would be much harder to do today with camera phones and "social" networking, but of the people I work with on a regular basis, I still DON'T have ONE photo of them! However, if I had footage of the 2nd plane hitting the towers, you can bet I would have uploaded it up many years ago!

I have suggested before that the reason the perps made so many mistakes on 9/11 was due to the event being brought forward due to up and coming consumer technology. 9/11 couldn't have been pulled off today because of camera phones and the like.

[simonshack]

To sum up, my impression is that there is not a "Barbara Olson" still out there today under a new identity, but rather an agent who, at a certain moment of her disgraceful career, impersonated that fictitious character.

Dear Nonho,

I edited my last, hastily written post to change my "probably" to "perhaps" (that is, perhaps Barbara Olson existed as a flesh-and-blood person before 9/11). As I see it, we must remain cautious as to any statements we do in the context of this research - lest any inaccuracies be used to nitpick on its basic notion, which is : no one was killed on 9/11.

To be sure, your take on exactly "what the Barbara Olson entity was" seems to me quite plausible - and also the most likely. However, I think that (at this advanced stage of our VicSim research) we can well 'afford' to leave the doors open to alternative scenarios regarding a select handful of alleged "9/11 victims" - as to their disappearance from public view. It really doesn't matter all that much, in my view, whether the total number of completely fictitious 9/11 victims was 2996 (as stated by Wickedpedia ) - or 2960...