9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

[SoCal fellow]

To my eyes, there are meaningful differences between Lady Booth and Barbara. But, that is just my fallible judgement.

Barbara had a German maiden name, went to a Catholic college, and to a D.C.-based law school. That seems like an Illuminati background.

Illuminati marriages are arranged. Ted -- multiple marriages, high profile, sans scruples -- looks like Illuminati material, too.

I would guess that Barbara is living elsewhere under another name. Just a guess.

However, if Lady Booth is Barbara, please get that plastic surgeon's name, because he made one heck of an improvement (no more buck teeth or overbite).

[hoi.polloi]

I think it's just as likely that they put funds into creating a fictitious entity that can "enter" and "exit" our real world on the whims of the military/unintelligencia. I don't see a need for real "vicsims". Just actors claiming they knew them. That could be the whole "joke"/display of propaganda prowess, I would guess.

But as it has been said before, we cannot know until much more information is laid out for us or discovered by us.

[antipodean]

This comment by SG2 pretty much sums up what I thought when watching that C-span recording.

My biggest concern having watched the video Antipodean posted in it's entirety, is that she doesn't appear to look like somebody who knows that, in two days time, they will disappear, undergo plastic surgery and resurface a few years later.

I find this footage of Babs' tirade against the Clinton administration also quite revealing (17 minute mark),
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/WomensF

She appears to have an obsession against Bill Clinton, the words she uses to describe Clinton et al, could equally be used to describe her beloved Dubya's administration.
Then she follows this up with her book slagging off Hilary. Gee those Clintons must have been rapt about her death.

Maybe Babs was a high level Neo Con insider recruited by Ted, to act as a spokes person to get rid of Clinton thus discrediting the Democrats. Then maybe she took up an offer of becoming a celebrity 9/11 victim on AA77.

Although I'm aware that the Republican Democrat rivalry is just a dog & pony show, would 9/11 have been carried out had Al Gore won the 2000 election ?

The Republicans were obviously keen to get rid of Clinton. But if he'd done a Nixon and resigned whilst still in office, I presume Al Gore would have become president which could have back fired on the Republicans in the 2000 election. Clinton a 2nd termer couldn't stand for re election anyway.

Perhaps Monica Lewinsky was used to discredit the Democratic party (via Clinton), paving the way for a Republican victory in 2000 which in the end only happened because of Florida.
He was becoming a bit of a thorn to the Plans of the Neo Cons, he often referred to Carol Quigley (publisher of 'Tragedy & Hope) as a mentor
In the video below at the 2 minute mark, he's even quoted as questioning the moon landings.
(Not that I want to defend the Clintons because they're also as dodgy as fuck)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX-laeKljTo

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX-laeKljTo

[hoi.polloi]

Although I'm aware that the Republican Democrat rivalry is just a dog & pony show, would 9/11 have been carried out had Al Gore won the 2000 election ?

Yes. It was clearly in the planning for years. Why would the figurehead of America make a difference? Gore still benefits from the whole charade and continues to sell his DVDs to the masses.

I respect your view man, but I think you are getting too caught up in the stage play.

[nonhocapito]

Although I'm aware that the Republican Democrat rivalry is just a dog & pony show, would 9/11 have been carried out had Al Gore won the 2000 election ?

Yes. It was clearly in the planning for years. Why would the figurehead of America make a difference? Gore still benefits from the whole charade and continues to sell his DVDs to the masses.

I respect your view man, but I think you are getting too caught up in the stage play.

I agree, it would have happened anyway. But it seems clear that things simply had to go according to plan, it was too important.

The whole Lewinski campaign -- and the whole "stealing of the elections" in 2000 were probably a necessary show, to impart to the American public two lessons in one:
The new Bush presidency is going to be at the same time inevitable and yet dramatically unprepared to rule.

These characters of the Bush presidency were going to be very important to justify to the American public the fact that America was caught "unprepared" on 9/11, and yet to argue, quite illogically, that from that moment on there was no alternative but to trust these unprepared and clearly immoral rulers.

"Lower your moral expectations" could have been the subtle message.

[revolutionphase1]

I have some information.

I recently was reminded about a book my step-mom had tucked away. It's called "One Nation" by Life Magazine. (reasearch it) It was published December 2001. It has a introduction by Rudy Guliani, where he states on the first page over 5,000 people died. (obvious miscount)
Even more though, the pattern used for the inside of each book cover, is the "Missing" posters, posted by the families who lost loved ones at the WTC.

Yet the theory is that nobody was even in these buildings. On these posters, in this book, they blatanly have phone numbers on every picture saying PLEASE CALL IF YOU FIND etc etc. So........................i called. Why not right its fricking 2012 already nobodys doing crap. The first number was disconnected, the second number..."Hello?". At that point i realised, i was on the west coast, and it was probably 1 a.m where this person was. But they picked up. It was an older sounding lady, i'm telling you i really did sense some sadness in her. I told her i was doing a project and wanted to ask some questions and she told me to NEVER call back here again. Click.

The next person i texted and the next day got a reply saying who is this? Gave the same story, more details, waiting for a response.

So what are these phone numbers?? I picked young people, thinking i would get a greiving parent. And it seems like i did. Could this just be someone who is paid to anwer every call and tell them to never call back? For 10+ years? Easy job.

I'm 100% not denying the Empty Building Thoery i'm all for it, i just need help investigating these supposed phone numbers.

[nonhocapito]

It's called "One Nation" by Life Magazine. (reasearch it) It was published December 2001. It has a introduction by Rudy Guliani, where he states on the first page over 5,000 people died. (obvious miscount)
Even more though, the pattern used for the inside of each book cover, is the "Missing" posters, posted by the families who lost loved ones at the WTC.

Yet the theory is that nobody was even in these buildings. On these posters, in this book, they blatanly have phone numbers on every picture saying PLEASE CALL IF YOU FIND etc etc. So........................i called. Why not right its fricking 2012 already nobodys doing crap. The first number was disconnected, the second number..."Hello?". At that point i realised, i was on the west coast, and it was probably 1 a.m where this person was. But they picked up. It was an older sounding lady, i'm telling you i really did sense some sadness in her. I told her i was doing a project and wanted to ask some questions and she told me to NEVER call back here again. Click.

The next person i texted and the next day got a reply saying who is this? Gave the same story, more details, waiting for a response.

So what are these phone numbers?? I picked young people, thinking i would get a greiving parent. And it seems like i did. Could this just be someone who is paid to anwer every call and tell them to never call back? For 10+ years? Easy job.

I'm 100% not denying the Empty Building Thoery i'm all for it, i just need help investigating these supposed phone numbers.

Thanks for suggesting the book. I looked it up on Amazon, here it is:
http://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Americ ... 0316525405

One can browse a few of the initial pages, including the missing posters and were Giuliani says there were 5,000 victims.







So, interesting.

That said, I think you used these easily verifiable details about the book to sell us a very phony story. I'm not buying your phone calls. Your account is strangely laconic. You called an old woman with sadness in her voice and she told you to never call back. You skipped the part in between. Did she tell you she was a relative of a 9/11 victim? Which victim would that be? Which numbers you called?

I also don't appreciate this remark of yours "Yet the theory is that nobody was even in these buildings." Do you think that a couple of pictures on a book are challenging in any way the astonishing amount of clues indicating that the identities of the 9/11 victims were forged? Do you have any familiarity with September clues or the Cluesforum?

Last but not least: you are required to introduce yourself, please do so here: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=838 Thanks.

[nonhocapito]

Just a detail I noticed from that cover:



What wizard-vicsim is this one?

[revolutionphase1]

I have thoroughly watched September Clues.Your analysing my words like im against you. I went out of my way to do research and called up some of these phone numbers. The one i called is in the picture you posted, Joe Visciano Please Call (718)966-3576. YOU call it and compare it to what i said.

This book here is amazingly false from page to page i highly suggest it

p.s i will go introduce myself, sorry about that

[brianv]

I have thoroughly watched September Clues.Your analysing my words like im against you. I went out of my way to do research and called up some of these phone numbers. The one i called is in the picture you posted, Joe Visciano Please Call (718)966-3576. YOU call it and compare it to what i said.

This book here is amazingly false from page to page i highly suggest it

p.s i will go introduce myself, sorry about that

Joe Vicsimo?

Hey why didn't you record the calls?

edit/ The uncapitalised "i" again. This is one of our old troll friends!

[nonhocapito]

I have thoroughly watched September Clues.Your analysing my words like im against you. I went out of my way to do research and called up some of these phone numbers. The one i called is in the picture you posted, Joe Visciano Please Call (718)966-3576. YOU call it and compare it to what i said.

So. You called a car dealer in Staten Island, and a sad old woman answered the phone asking you to never call back?
Hey, maybe she was sad because of the car market.

"VISCIANO REALTY CO LLC is a New Car Dealers company located in Staten Island, New York."

Address:
19 RUSTIC PL
Staten Island, New York 10308
USA
Phone: (718) 966-3576

http://www.powerprofiles.com/profile/00 ... +ISLAND-NY

~1.2 minutes google search time

[revolutionphase1]

Lol no wonder she didnt want me to call back, she sells cars!
Hmm, so life magazine blatantly is posting false numbers in their book. Guess we already saw that comming.

And to this person

Hey why didn't you record the calls?

Some people dont have a fancy iphone or whatever you need to do this. Man up, pick out a number and call it. Scared?

[nonhocapito]

Not so fast...

This whole book+phone calls story seems to be in fact a pretext to support Joe Visciano past existence via a fake relative attached to it, possibly of recent use, if not of recent concoction.

Apparently the car dealer is Marie Visciano, who is supposed to be Joe Visciano's "mom".

Marie Visciano
Visciano Realty Co LLC
Staten Island, NY
We have Marie Visciano of Visciano Realty Co LLC, which is listed under Car Dealers in Staten Island, NY.

http://www.manta.com/g/mmdf57s/marie-visciano

But she also makes money in other ways:

Those interested in attending or in donating to the scholarship fund should call Marie Visciano, Joseph's mom, at 718-966-3576. "Fundraiser keeps alive the memory of Joe V." http://www.silive.com/columnists/index. ... xml&coll=1

This is a 2010 article. These are fresh fake clues...
Ain't it funny that the car dealer's name is "Visciano Realty"?

EDIT: wow, Marie really needs the money. I can't find her name mentioned without reading about the "scholarship fund" that she handles.

Marie Visciano makes it through her days by throwing her heart into the Joseph G. Visciano Memorial Scholarship Fund.
“This is how we go on,” said the Great Kill mom, holding the program from last year’s fund-raiser in memory of her 22-year-old son. Next year, it will be held on Feb. 25, the day Joseph Visciano would have turned 32.
(...)
And Mrs. Visciano visits the cemetery weekly and looks at the street sign bearing his name every day.
“I talk to his pictures all the time, I talk to him at the cemetery,” she said. “I tell him everything that’s going on. He has to know.”

From "Families of Staten Island Sept. 11 victims resume normal life" http://www.silive.com/september-11/inde ... go_on.html

[revolutionphase1]

Nice find Nonhocapito , this is the first website ive been to where people actually research things. Glad to be along.

I should state about the cover of this "One Nation" book, that MANY of the images are copied and re-used to make up the portrait. 10 small squares away i saw the same exact picture from the other.

As for the book itself, every image used is in high def amazing clarity. Tons of religious references. All released 3 months after the attack. Big book of lies.

So if this person that answered the phone when i called - is indeed Joe's mom, and Joe never existed, than this woman is fake right? Or at least getting paid A LOT of money.

[nonhocapito]

Lol no wonder she didnt want me to call back, she sells cars!
Hmm, so life magazine blatantly is posting false numbers in their book. Guess we already saw that comming.

Because of these two sentences, I think we can be pretty sure that you came here to take us for a ride...

First, you seemed to mean that you talked to someone who was a relative of a 9/11 victim, or pretended to be, and who, for this reason, told you to never call back;

then, seeing that the number you called was really a car dealer's number, you acted as if the number must have been false all along and this is why you were told to never call back (in this version, we are lead to believe that she never told you she was a relative of a 9/11 victim);

but then, I discover that the number is really meant to be Joe Visciano's mom phone number: which means that you should not have come to the conclusion that the number was false, because she would have answered as "Visciano Realty" or as "Marie Visciano", and would have responded positively to any inquiry about her being a relative of a 9/11 victim.

So, it seems to me that your story has gone bad pretty quickly.