9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

by **revolutionphase1** on March 16th, 2012, 1:57 am

What have i lied about?

You seem to want fight against me, when ive done nothing but support the theory given?

by **proloft** on March 16th, 2012, 2:01 am

Ahem, revolutionphase1, I've read your recent posts which you've spattered across the forum pages and I just have to ask...

Are you stupid?

If you want to come on this site and contribute, you must back up the things that you say and at the very least, use proper
punctuation and grammar. You're coming across like an impetuous teenage girl.

Like seriously, gawd, what the f@#* are you saying with your last two sentences: "So if this person that answered the phone when i called - is indeed Joe's mom, and Joe never existed, than this woman is fake right? Or at least getting paid A LOT of money.".

Do you even read the disorganized shit that you post here? Your other posts are no better.

by **nonhocapito** on March 16th, 2012, 2:07 am

revolutionphase1 wrote:What have i lied about?

You seem to want fight against me, when ive done nothing but support the theory given?

I don't wanna fight at all. We get many trolls these days and you find me in a defensive mood (defensive of the welfare of the forum, that is). Which really bothers me more than it bothers you, believe me.
I've already explained to you how your story has shifted a few times as the research progressed. True stories usually don't shift.

Before the woman on the phone told you to never call back, what did she say? How did she answer the phone? When you mentioned Joe Visciano, what did you say? Can you transcript the whole call for us? Like proloft said: Can you also try to write in proper/grammatical english, which is supposed to be your language?

by **revolutionphase1** on March 16th, 2012, 2:13 am

You guys sure know how to scare away new members.

proloft wrote:Are you stupid?
You're coming across like an impetuous teenage girl.

I think you could use some teenage girls on this site, most adults still believe everything spoon fed to them by FOX.

I apologize for bringing up Joe. Thought it might be interesting.

by **nonhocapito** on March 16th, 2012, 2:23 am

Wow, this Visciano web is getting ever more absurd.

According to certain lists such as this one: http://www.automd.com/shops/visciano-re ... lc_421657/
Marie Visciano's VISCIANO REALTY CO LLC, "New Car Dealers company" is located at 19 Rustic Pl, in Staten Island, New York.

However, 19 Rustic Place is a private house in a residential neighborhood.

From http://maps.google.com/maps?q=19+Rustic ... ,,0,-10.99

EDIT: Meanwhile, the one basic portrait of fake 9/11 victim Joseph Visciano keeps reminding me of someone...

From http://www.silive.com/september-11/inde ... dding.html

From http://rt.com/news/breivick-not-fit-trial-471/

Not because they look alike, just because they are non-human. <_<

by **brianv** on March 16th, 2012, 2:31 am

nonhocapito wrote:Wow, this Visciano web is getting ever more absurd.

According to certain lists such as this one: http://www.automd.com/shops/visciano-re ... lc_421657/
Marie Visciano's VISCIANO REALTY CO LLC, "New Car Dealers company" is located at 19 Rustic Pl, in Staten Island, New York.

However, 19 Rustic Place is a private house in a residential neighborhood.

From http://maps.google.com/maps?q=19+Rustic ... ,,0,-10.99

There are two garages to the right of the house, (I was there about 10 minutes ago <_<

) which might be used to store cars or something, but there isn't a car in sight, nor a drop of oil on the drive!

by **wtc-wtf** on March 16th, 2012, 3:41 am

nonhocapito wrote:
Wow, this Visciano web is getting ever more absurd.

According to certain lists such as this one: http://www.automd.com/shops/visciano-re ... lc_421657/
Marie Visciano's VISCIANO REALTY CO LLC, "New Car Dealers company" is located at 19 Rustic Pl, in Staten Island, New York.

I was searching the net about this,I came across this article.

http://www.silive.com/september-11/index.ssf/2010/09/joseph_visciano_22_was_budding.html

It claims that Joe vicsim went to the local school St. Clare's school‎ near Ruskin place,but he worked weekends at the family business.

Through it all, Mr. Visciano maintained the strong relationships that were always a significant part of his life. After work and on weekends he pitched in at his family's business, Morningstar Auto Parts in Elm Park, helping with everything from inventory to sales.

(Staten Island Advance)

This is the website for Morningstar Auto Parts. :huh:

http://www.morningstarautoparts.net/

by **brianv** on March 16th, 2012, 4:02 am

wtc-wtf wrote:
nonhocapito wrote:
Wow, this Visciano web is getting ever more absurd.

According to certain lists such as this one: http://www.automd.com/shops/visciano-re ... lc_421657/
Marie Visciano's VISCIANO REALTY CO LLC, "New Car Dealers company" is located at 19 Rustic Pl, in Staten Island, New York.

I was searching the net about this,I came across this article.

http://www.silive.com/september-11/index.ssf/2010/09/joseph_visciano_22_was_budding.html

It claims that Joe vicsim went to the local school St. Clare's school‎ near Ruskin place,but he worked weekends at the family business.

Through it all, Mr. Visciano maintained the strong relationships that were always a significant part of his life. After work and on weekends he pitched in at his family's business, Morningstar Auto Parts in Elm Park, helping with everything from inventory to sales.
(Staten Island Advance)

This is the website for Morningstar Auto Parts.

morningstarautoparts dot net

Of course Whois would report this website as being created 09 Jun 2011...

But it's not the same address, whatever that means!

Morningstar Auto Parts, 224 Morningstar Rd, Staten Island, NY 10303
718-448-4100

Edited to break URL

by **brianv** on March 17th, 2012, 1:50 am

Mark Bingham with his mother, Alice Hoglan

http://www.advocate.com/article.aspx?id=43644

by **wtc-wtf** on March 22nd, 2012, 3:58 am

Question:What gave the perps the confidence to use the scenario of 'terrorist attacks using four planes'?

Answer:They have done it before.

A number of years ago,well before I was aware of mass media deception,(thanks for helping me to open my eyes)I used to spend alot of time reading about the flights,crew,passengers,families of passengers etc,I was looking for answers,but just ended up confused and gave up.I managed to ignore my desire for the truth for a few years,but last year on YT I found September Clues,this forum,and The Vicsim Report.Now it makes sense no planes,no passengers and no passenger families no terrorists,just Sims and actors,so its no wonder I used to get no where.My point to this is,back when I used to read about the flights of 9/11,and I thought they were real,I would also read about the many other air disasters in and around the USA,that happened in the years leading up too 2001,I would make comparisons and try to find similarities with the 9/11 flights,(at the time I figured terrorists had also downed these flights,and the government was covering it up)now that I know the truth,I figured that perhaps these earlier disasters were similar because they were simulations, practice for the main event.I feel that by identifying events pre 9/11 that the perps could of used to develop their skills,test their theories,and test public reaction,we may uncover more mistakes that they have made.

An example of one of these earlier possible sim disasters is Swissair Flight 111.
I have chosen this disaster,as it is similar to 9/11 because:
The flight number.
An unusual number of notable/famous passengers on the plane.(including a Saudi Prince)
Anomalies with communications and radar.
Official story is unsatisfactory.
All passengers were killed.
The aircraft disintegrated on impact.
Despite there been a memorial,and full passenger list,with background stories,friends and families etc,it is VERY difficult to confirm these details.

I conclude that,the passengers on this flight were vicsims,perps,and nonexistent.
However I would like to prove this(at least to myself),and my problem is,I am a absolute NOVICE researcher,especially when it comes to Vicsims,can anyone give me some advice on how to best approach this type of research?

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/Thr_Yrs/Flight_111/Passengers_Crew.html passenger list.

Other flights of interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Florida_Flight_90

EDITED To add a link.

by **bostonterrierowner** on March 22nd, 2012, 4:42 pm

wtc-wtf wrote:Question:What gave the perps the confidence to use the scenario of 'terrorist attacks using four planes'?

Answer:They have done it before.

A number of years ago,well before I was aware of mass media deception,(thanks for helping me to open my eyes)I used to spend alot of time reading about the flights,crew,passengers,families of passengers etc,I was looking for answers,but just ended up confused and gave up.I managed to ignore my desire for the truth for a few years,but last year on YT I found September Clues,this forum,and The Vicsim Report.Now it makes sense no planes,no passengers and no passenger families no terrorists,just Sims and actors,so its no wonder I used to get no where.My point to this is,back when I used to read about the flights of 9/11,and I thought they were real,I would also read about the many other air disasters in and around the USA,that happened in the years leading up too 2001,I would make comparisons and try to find similarities with the 9/11 flights,(at the time I figured terrorists had also downed these flights,and the government was covering it up)now that I know the truth,I figured that perhaps these earlier disasters were similar because they were simulations, practice for the main event.I feel that by identifying events pre 9/11 that the perps could of used to develop their skills,test their theories,and test public reaction,we may uncover more mistakes that they have made.

An example of one of these earlier possible sim disasters is Swissair Flight 111.
I have chosen this disaster,as it is similar to 9/11 because:
The flight number.
An unusual number of notable/famous passengers on the plane.(including a Saudi Prince)
Anomalies with communications and radar.
Official story is unsatisfactory.
All passengers were killed.
The aircraft disintegrated on impact.
Despite there been a memorial,and full passenger list,with background stories,friends and families etc,it is VERY difficult to confirm these details.

I conclude that,the passengers on this flight were vicsims,perps,and nonexistent.
However I would like to prove this(at least to myself),and my problem is,I am a absolute NOVICE researcher,especially when it comes to Vicsims,can anyone give me some advice on how to best approach this type of research?

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/Thr_Yrs/Flight_111/Passengers_Crew.html passenger list.

Other flights of interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Florida_Flight_90

EDITED To add a link.

Start from going to http://www.bts.gov an official site of bureau of transportation statistics . If these flight numbers dont show up there they didnt happen just like AA 77 and AA 11

p.s.

I did some work for you and checked TWA800 . It wasnt scheduled for July 17th 1996

Smells like BS...

Try :
http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarysta ... atures.xml

Unfortunatelly we are limited by BTS to 1996 as a least recent year .

by **whatsgoingon** on March 22nd, 2012, 5:36 pm

People that survived WTC died on this flight: AA587 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587

Lots of fishy flights and many stories have traces of conspiracy in them (hints of terrorism, explosives, and the like.) Overall I would say you are onto something. Lots of fake plane wrecks but I have not looked into it at all.

by **wtc-wtf** on March 22nd, 2012, 6:33 pm

Guys,thanks for this advice,bts.gov is excellent,I will try to find a similar database to check the international flights.

Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc
by whatsgoingon » March 22nd, 2012, 5:36 pm

People that survived WTC died on this flight: AA587 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_A ... Flight_587

Lots of fishy flights and many stories have traces of conspiracy in them (hints of terrorism, explosives, and the like.) Overall I would say you are onto something. Lots of fake plane wrecks but I have not looked into it at all.

I hadn't even considered post 9/11 flights,this flight AA587 is very interesting to me.

by **brianv** on March 22nd, 2012, 7:07 pm

wtc-wtf wrote:Guys,thanks for this advice,bts.gov is excellent,I will try to find a similar database to check the international flights.

Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc
by whatsgoingon » March 22nd, 2012, 5:36 pm

People that survived WTC died on this flight: AA587 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_A ... Flight_587

Lots of fishy flights and many stories have traces of conspiracy in them (hints of terrorism, explosives, and the like.) Overall I would say you are onto something. Lots of fake plane wrecks but I have not looked into it at all.

I hadn't even considered post 9/11 flights,this flight AA587 is very interesting to me.

http://letsrollforums.com/american-flig ... Flight+587

(Look at the junk links JayhanJayhan inserted into my post)

There was a lot wrong with my study, but I was only cutting my teeth on this stuff! Maybe this belongs in another thread too! Sorry!

by **lux** on March 28th, 2012, 9:27 pm

Funny news story about fake sims (fims?)
http://tinyurl.com/88kp8fm

:lol:

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