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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
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I just bumped into this old post of mine - and re-discovered this image :
source website: http://kiim.net/2011/07/24/oslove/
Let us truly hope the "SIMon" reference is pure happenstance / coincidence.
Or else, feel free to call me a "megalomaniac mad hatter afflicted with severe paranoia"!
However, let me dream that this picture was intentionally made as a (warped) 'tribute' to our common efforts here on Cluesfroum.
With 276,379 views (a quarter of a million) of this thread alone - there's no reason for anyone of us to be worrying of 'walking alone' !
I just bumped into this old post of mine - and re-discovered this image :
source website: http://kiim.net/2011/07/24/oslove/
Let us truly hope the "SIMon" reference is pure happenstance / coincidence.
Or else, feel free to call me a "megalomaniac mad hatter afflicted with severe paranoia"!
However, let me dream that this picture was intentionally made as a (warped) 'tribute' to our common efforts here on Cluesfroum.
With 276,379 views (a quarter of a million) of this thread alone - there's no reason for anyone of us to be worrying of 'walking alone' !
Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
How accurate - and nicely droll!simonshack wrote:With 276,379 views (a quarter of a million) of this thread alone - there's no reason for anyone of us to be worrying of 'walking alone' !
Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
Empty graves? Who knows, and we will never know unless it can be done through legal channels to expose the fraudulent "terrorist" attack.
Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
Here's one of the vicsim propagandist players I missed last year.
An Irish AUF member tells her 'strange' tale of Utøya on a talk show in Ireland (October, 2011)
Elin L'Estrange on TV3 Morning Show:
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM5WbrW_FgM
Near the end, @ 12 min, she says she was invited to attend an event in Ireland for an organization called "Show Racism the Red Card" http://www.theredcard.ie/ and was happy to help with that "important work". Racism is a problem in Ireland?
http://www.theredcard.ie/about.php described as an "anti-racist charity" ...and even have Summer Camps: http://www.theredcard.ie/camp.php
Here's the short report on her attendance at that "anti-racism" event:
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seqYADLVXPg
L'Estrange wording: "I knew about 50 of the people who died, aah so yeah, a few of them would have been close friends, yeah...and some of them I would have known for a long time, obviously..."
An Irish AUF member tells her 'strange' tale of Utøya on a talk show in Ireland (October, 2011)
Elin L'Estrange on TV3 Morning Show:
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM5WbrW_FgM
Near the end, @ 12 min, she says she was invited to attend an event in Ireland for an organization called "Show Racism the Red Card" http://www.theredcard.ie/ and was happy to help with that "important work". Racism is a problem in Ireland?
http://www.theredcard.ie/about.php described as an "anti-racist charity" ...and even have Summer Camps: http://www.theredcard.ie/camp.php
Here's the short report on her attendance at that "anti-racism" event:
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seqYADLVXPg
L'Estrange wording: "I knew about 50 of the people who died, aah so yeah, a few of them would have been close friends, yeah...and some of them I would have known for a long time, obviously..."
Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
Yea, she is mighty strange.Maat wrote:Elin L'Estrange
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFR3lZU16js
Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
Strange Lie
http://www.neitileu.no/layout/set/print ... l_estrange
http://www.eub.no/nyheter/article5661303.ece
Now admittedly there is the possibilty that there exists two young Norwegian females with the same name! Elin Maria L'Estrange!
I'm getting actress vibe off the TV3 lying bitch!
Snapped from youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM5WbrW_FgM
http://www.neitileu.no/layout/set/print ... l_estrange
http://www.eub.no/nyheter/article5661303.ece
Now admittedly there is the possibilty that there exists two young Norwegian females with the same name! Elin Maria L'Estrange!
I'm getting actress vibe off the TV3 lying bitch!
Snapped from youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM5WbrW_FgM
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
I found her supposed recollection of events during the TV3 interview to be oddly unconvincing. Initially she seemed to say that the water was far too cold, and her brother stopped her from swimming to escape. Then she claimed to have swum the full '800m' to the shore, and was caught-up with by her brother 'Erik', described as being Norwegian military conscript, who was a good swimmer.
I also couldn't make sense of her persona. To me, her accent makes her sound like a complete Dubliner (as commented upon by the sofa interviewers). There's internet references to her being a Norwegian politician associated with the AUF (which surely would require residency and citizenship), yet she said early in part of the non-sitting footage that "her visiting group had been regular visitors to the camp over the last five years"- what, visiting from the Republic of Ireland?
And supposed racism issues apart, it made no sense to me at all that someone with such evident links to Ireland was so...unfocussed and distanced regarding what was (within the Official Story) meant to have been interpretable as having been an act of terrorism by Brevik. Admittedly most of the media coverage and publicity regarding reported acts of terrorism in the island of Ireland has been relating to the north, and she's a part-southerner but to find someone of Irish extraction in their mid-20s that doesn't have an intimate personal understanding and perspective on "The Troubles" is as odd as hell. She seemed almost to be studied in her ignorance of lethal matters such as gunshots or false cops or death. Really strange- an Irish kid that's never heard of terrorism.
And (just a personal opinion): I felt her eyes were strange throughout. She seemed to be staring widely and facially-rigid during her recollection of the supposed events- the picture above could just as well be video as a still shot, that's her right the way through. Whilst there'll be plenty of official behavioural back-stop justifications for this, I was particularly uneasy regarding her ongoing post-traumatic stress loud-bangs intolerance. It sounded like an incantation rather than a true problem for her. Further comments?
[edit] With reference to the pictures above: to me, the lower one is representative of the image of the individual shown on the TV3 programme (and the other tv footage. But the person, although very-similar to the upper two pictures, seems much younger than the upper pictures: both of which look to be of a 24yr old (the official story age). The lower image, and the tv footage, is more like someone in their mid/ late teens, not mid twenties. And there's a suggestion that the skull width and lack of skin-tone variation betwee the lower picture (equally the tv footage) is in deep contrast with the older/more-mature image shown top and centre....[/edit]
I also couldn't make sense of her persona. To me, her accent makes her sound like a complete Dubliner (as commented upon by the sofa interviewers). There's internet references to her being a Norwegian politician associated with the AUF (which surely would require residency and citizenship), yet she said early in part of the non-sitting footage that "her visiting group had been regular visitors to the camp over the last five years"- what, visiting from the Republic of Ireland?
And supposed racism issues apart, it made no sense to me at all that someone with such evident links to Ireland was so...unfocussed and distanced regarding what was (within the Official Story) meant to have been interpretable as having been an act of terrorism by Brevik. Admittedly most of the media coverage and publicity regarding reported acts of terrorism in the island of Ireland has been relating to the north, and she's a part-southerner but to find someone of Irish extraction in their mid-20s that doesn't have an intimate personal understanding and perspective on "The Troubles" is as odd as hell. She seemed almost to be studied in her ignorance of lethal matters such as gunshots or false cops or death. Really strange- an Irish kid that's never heard of terrorism.
And (just a personal opinion): I felt her eyes were strange throughout. She seemed to be staring widely and facially-rigid during her recollection of the supposed events- the picture above could just as well be video as a still shot, that's her right the way through. Whilst there'll be plenty of official behavioural back-stop justifications for this, I was particularly uneasy regarding her ongoing post-traumatic stress loud-bangs intolerance. It sounded like an incantation rather than a true problem for her. Further comments?
[edit] With reference to the pictures above: to me, the lower one is representative of the image of the individual shown on the TV3 programme (and the other tv footage. But the person, although very-similar to the upper two pictures, seems much younger than the upper pictures: both of which look to be of a 24yr old (the official story age). The lower image, and the tv footage, is more like someone in their mid/ late teens, not mid twenties. And there's a suggestion that the skull width and lack of skin-tone variation betwee the lower picture (equally the tv footage) is in deep contrast with the older/more-mature image shown top and centre....[/edit]
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Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
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Duh! - this seems to be a silly joke!
According to this article, here's the leader of AUF in Akershus - "Elin Maria L'Estrange":
http://www.oblad.no/nyheter/tips-oss-om ... -1.7396493
According to this other article, here's also the leader of AUF in Akershus - "Elin Maria L'Estrange":
http://www.rb.no/lokale_nyheter/article6120049.ece
And on this google page, we have both of the "Elins Marias L'Estranges" - together in the same image:
https://plus.google.com/114356726683828036169/about
Whatever...
If anyone can help clarify this for me. please do! I'm off to bed now!
Duh! - this seems to be a silly joke!
According to this article, here's the leader of AUF in Akershus - "Elin Maria L'Estrange":
http://www.oblad.no/nyheter/tips-oss-om ... -1.7396493
According to this other article, here's also the leader of AUF in Akershus - "Elin Maria L'Estrange":
http://www.rb.no/lokale_nyheter/article6120049.ece
And on this google page, we have both of the "Elins Marias L'Estranges" - together in the same image:
https://plus.google.com/114356726683828036169/about
Whatever...
If anyone can help clarify this for me. please do! I'm off to bed now!
Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
It's all a pile of crappy acting, that's for sure.
But firstly, I don't have any doubt about the images in the video & pics Brian posted above being of the same girl ("Elin L'Estrange"), just losing some weight between June 2008 & October 2011 would account for the slightly different appearance.
Lightened:
Exif data (for 2008 original w/ camera info)
More pics: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Elin-LEst ... 9326508805
http://twitter.com/elinlestrange/
http://no.linkedin.com/in/elinlestrange
http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-norwegia ... 4-Oct2011/
The "brother" Erik is even 'stranger':
Now, the confusion of the two supposed AUF "leaders" in the article pic Simon posted could be a typical 'news' report screw-up in that they used a stock image of Evind Søvik they were quoting that showed him with the former &/or other AUF leader Hilde Firman Fjellså i.e. http://www.oblad.no/nyheter/tips-oss-om ... -1.7396493 — [Google translation]
Compare the caption on this one:
Caption: "Hilde Firman Fjellså, Edvin Sørvik and Elin Maria L'Estrange (not present here)"
@ http://www.aktuell.no/NTL-magasinet/article6107632.ece — [Translation]
Hilde Firman Fjellså
@ http://yaymicro.com/stock-image/hilde-f ... s-/2749557 _________&_________@ http://www.dinepenger.no/jobb-og-pensjo ... n/20253988
See also: http://www.rogalandsavis.no/nyheter/article5679419.ece (7-23-2011)
http://auf.no/-/bulletin/show/728349_bobbo-streiken
http://www.aftenbladet.no/nyheter/okono ... 483474.ece
It looks like 'Strange Elin' may be their handy actress, stand-in spokesperson for the Utøya propaganda purposes.
More Google images for Hilde Firman Fjellså (also shows AUF connection since 2007)
But firstly, I don't have any doubt about the images in the video & pics Brian posted above being of the same girl ("Elin L'Estrange"), just losing some weight between June 2008 & October 2011 would account for the slightly different appearance.
Lightened:
Exif data (for 2008 original w/ camera info)
More pics: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Elin-LEst ... 9326508805
http://twitter.com/elinlestrange/
http://no.linkedin.com/in/elinlestrange
http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-norwegia ... 4-Oct2011/
The "brother" Erik is even 'stranger':
Another image @ http://www.rb.no/lokale_nyheter/article5806903.eceErik L’Estrange (20), whose father Ivan moved to Norway from Sutton, Dublin, almost three decades ago, lost several friends after Anders Behring Breivik went on a shooting spree on the tiny island where the country’s Labour Youth Movement (AUF) was holding its annual summer camp.
Erik was sitting with his sister, Elin, the board leader of AUF in the municipality of Akershus, and a friend in an office on the island when they first heard shots. “At first we thought it was someone using firecrackers or hammering, we thought it was someone playing a bad joke,” he said by phone yesterday. “It was too unreal.” ...
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/wor ... 00283.html
Now, the confusion of the two supposed AUF "leaders" in the article pic Simon posted could be a typical 'news' report screw-up in that they used a stock image of Evind Søvik they were quoting that showed him with the former &/or other AUF leader Hilde Firman Fjellså i.e. http://www.oblad.no/nyheter/tips-oss-om ... -1.7396493 — [Google translation]
Compare the caption on this one:
Caption: "Hilde Firman Fjellså, Edvin Sørvik and Elin Maria L'Estrange (not present here)"
@ http://www.aktuell.no/NTL-magasinet/article6107632.ece — [Translation]
Hilde Firman Fjellså
@ http://yaymicro.com/stock-image/hilde-f ... s-/2749557 _________&_________@ http://www.dinepenger.no/jobb-og-pensjo ... n/20253988
See also: http://www.rogalandsavis.no/nyheter/article5679419.ece (7-23-2011)
http://auf.no/-/bulletin/show/728349_bobbo-streiken
http://www.aftenbladet.no/nyheter/okono ... 483474.ece
It looks like 'Strange Elin' may be their handy actress, stand-in spokesperson for the Utøya propaganda purposes.
More Google images for Hilde Firman Fjellså (also shows AUF connection since 2007)
Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
The weight loss Elin is a bit of a stretch, more likely another f*ck up. It appears you are correct otherwise Maat.
I meant to respond about the racism in Ireland earlier.
Most of the immigration in Ireland is from Eastern European countries but about 10 years ago, half of Nigeria was "moved" to Ireland and the clowns in government put up posters across the country telling us we were all racists.
I meant to respond about the racism in Ireland earlier.
Most of the immigration in Ireland is from Eastern European countries but about 10 years ago, half of Nigeria was "moved" to Ireland and the clowns in government put up posters across the country telling us we were all racists.
Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
Not really a stretch, Brian The ratios of those later pics are already a bit distorted, but as a woman I know how much just 5 or 10 pounds can change the shape of a face — it can make us look quite gaunt, and young women go through various weight fluctuations (from hormones, stress etc.), not to mention hairstyle & color changes. It's particularly frustrating to female vanity when we'd really only want to lose a few inches from our waist or bum but it always comes off our face & boobs instead (Ask your misses )brianv wrote:The weight loss Elin is a bit of a stretch, more likely another f*ck up. It appears you are correct otherwise Maat.
Ah, thanks! That explains a lotbrianv wrote: I meant to respond about the racism in Ireland earlier.
Most of the immigration in Ireland is from Eastern European countries but about 10 years ago, half of Nigeria was "moved" to Ireland and the clowns in government put up posters across the country telling us we were all racists.
Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
I'm not getting into a weight-loss discussion with my missus, more than my life's worth, nor can I reconcile these two images but...Maat wrote:Not really a stretch, Brian The ratios of those later pics are already a bit distorted, but as a woman I know how much just 5 or 10 pounds can change the shape of a face — it can make us look quite gaunt, and young women go through various weight fluctuations (from hormones, stress etc.), not to mention hairstyle & color changes. It's particularly frustrating to female vanity when we'd really only want to lose a few inches from our waist or bum but it always comes off our face & boobs instead (Ask your misses )brianv wrote:The weight loss Elin is a bit of a stretch, more likely another f*ck up. It appears you are correct otherwise Maat.
Ah, thanks! That explains a lotbrianv wrote: I meant to respond about the racism in Ireland earlier.
Most of the immigration in Ireland is from Eastern European countries but about 10 years ago, half of Nigeria was "moved" to Ireland and the clowns in government put up posters across the country telling us we were all racists.
...I do see aspects of A in B. The mouths are curiously identical, almost too identical, their noses however are markedly different. B has got much longer facial features (could be the angles are skewed) They both have those "beauty spots" left mid-cheek, which seems to be a recurring feature among our "friends". Prototyping perhaps? I'm open!
Re: OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011
Chicken!brianv wrote:
I'm not getting into a weight-loss discussion with my missus, more than my life's worth,
Ok, but the beauty spots are consistent in all the video interviews too. Anyway, I've corrected the fish-eye vertical stretch/squish on the right indoor pic to try to normalize it (that distortion was bugging me), so we can compare the left outdoor shot with the 3-4 year later one a bit more naturally.brianv wrote:nor can I reconcile these two images but...I do see aspects of A in B. The mouths are curiously identical, almost too identical, their noses however are markedly different. B has got much longer facial features (could be the angles are skewed) They both have those "beauty spots" left mid-cheek, which seems to be a recurring feature among our "friends". Prototyping perhaps? I'm open!
Left A: outdoor shot in sunlight partly left side back-lit, chin angle straight on & squinting.
Right B: indoor shot close-up with makeup in artificial light, thinner, different lighting angles & looking downwards.