Fakery in Orbit: THE I$$

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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby lux on November 21st, 2012, 6:54 pm

^ The old Indian Rope Trick comes to mind. :P
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby Frost on November 21st, 2012, 7:36 pm

lux wrote:^ The old Indian Rope Trick comes to mind. :P

:D Yep. This movie doesn't show it but it suppose to be attached to satellite or to ISS. Now it makes a lot of sense no? :D
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby simonshack on November 22nd, 2012, 5:45 pm

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"EUROPE PLACES ITS BETS IN SPACE - IN SPITE OF CRISIS"


L'Europa scommette sullo spazio, nonostante la crisi
Investe 10 miliardi in tre anni, 1,2 miliardi dall'Italia

"Il dibattito è stato lungo e faticoso, con discussioni che si sono protratte fino a tarda notte, ma alla fine l'Europa ha confermato la sua determinazione a fare dello spazio un settore strategico per lo sviluppo e la competitività a livello internazionale."
http://www.ansa.it/scienza/notizie/rubr ... 37440.html


My best translation:
"The debate has been long and tiresome, with discussions which went long into the night, but at last Europe has confirmed its determination to make space a strategic sector for development and competitivity at an international level."

And this is their chosen illustration for the article - an "artist's impression of the ISS"...stars included! :rolleyes:
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Any diehard casino gamblers in the room? Wanna place your bets in space too? :P
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby Heiwa on November 23rd, 2012, 5:28 pm

What ESA is up to you find at http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMMRH91M9H_index_0.html . Actually German, French and Italian tax payers pay most. I am quite happy that we support the French Ariane rockets to put satellites into space.
Re ISS it is a pity that ESA gets involved with it in a rather strange fashion - to build the habitation module that is used to go to the ISS ... but not back.
To go to the ISS a US or Russian rocket thus sends a spaceship consisting of a service module, command module and habitation module into low Earth orbit, LEO, we are told. The service module has a rocket engine and fuel tanks. In LEO the asstronuts then fly up to the ISS and dock using the service module rocket engine and the habitation module is connected to the ISS with the command and service modules connected to the habitation module.

To get back to Earth, we are told, the kosmonuts go into the habitation module from the ISS and the hatch is closed. In the habitation module the kosmonuts change to space clothing and then go into the command module and close the hatch to the habitation module.

Then the habitation module is disconnected from the ISS and the three modules spaceship flies away from the ISS direction Earth. Speed increases because you drop down accelerated by Earth's gravity. Then the habitation module and the service module are disconnected from the command module some way or another and drop into atmosphere and burn up! Isn't it a waste with tax payers money?

The command module with three kosmonuts + paperwork + PICA-X heatshield do the famous re-entry without burning up in 10 minutes, deploys parachutes and lands after another 20 minutes.

If you ask the space travel experts why they cannot put heat shields and parachutes on the service and habitation modules and try to land them too or to keep the whole space ship together and land it in one piece, you will be told not to put the nose into this complicated biz. :lol:
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby simonshack on November 23rd, 2012, 7:28 pm

Heiwa wrote:What ESA is up to you find at http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMMRH91M9H_index_0.html . Actually German, French and Italian tax payers pay most.


Heiwa,
I just listened to the ESA General Director's speech - Jean Jacques Dordain - as he recounts "the long nights of stressful talks" which finally led to the great success of the ministerial talks to negotiate ESA's new (taxpayer-looted) budget which he puts at "around 10 billion euros". But then Dordain, almost 'as an aside' adds (at approx 15:35 into that conference video) :

"I can even tell you the exact figure, but ok...uuh...this is brand new ...uuh...it's 10.119 million euros."

Oh well, nevermind. Just saying. :mellow:

But there's more! Here's how Dordain decribes ESA's agreements with NASA - with a startling announcement : (at 21:12)

"We (ESA) shall now start working on the service module of the MPCV, and that is certainly good news because this is an agreement that we have with NASA, as you know, to pay our share of common-operation costs to the Space Station in delivering hardware to the co-transportation that NASA is developing and...uuuuhh...and the first part is to go to the moon...so we can say we shall be part of the first flight of the MPCV in delivering the service ."

Wow - so Europe's going to the moon !!! :)

I didn't know that! And what is, you may ask, the "MPCV" - aka the "ORION multipurpose crew vehicle" ? Here you go:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n121 ... K_GwWdUGSo
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That's a funny artist's impression, because here is a supposed real photo of the ORION:
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Caption: Photo of the first space-bound Orion spacecraft, which arrived at Kennedy
Space Center in Florida in late June for launch in late 2014. Credit: Walter Scriptunas II/Spaceflight Now


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More info about the ORION - courtesy of Wackypedia !
The MPCV is being developed for crewed missions to the moon, an asteroid and then to Mars. The capsule is also planned as a backup vehicle for cargo and crewed missions to the International Space Station.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_%28spacecraft%29

I highly encourage all interested parties to read that entire wacky Wikipedia page about the ORION - if you wish to stay ahead of future NASA/ESA hoaxes to come. It makes for quite an entertaining read!
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby Heiwa on November 23rd, 2012, 8:40 pm

I thought ESA was going to build the ORION habitation module, but never mind. I have asked Jean-Jacques Dordain (and his staff) twice at ESA how they intend to land on Earth after visiting the ISS, Moon or whatever with their gadgets and ... they have not replied. I wonder if they can reply. Try yourself! <_<
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby simonshack on November 23rd, 2012, 8:51 pm

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ORION versus APOLLO
the stunning evolution of NASA technology


Caption of below image: "NASA and Department of Defense personnel familiarize themselves with a Navy-built, 18,000-pound Orion mock-up in a test pool at the Naval Surface Warfare Center's Carderock Division in West Bethesda, Md. Ocean testing will begin April 6 (2009) off the coast of NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The goal of the operation, dubbed the Post-landing Orion Recovery Test, or PORT, is to determine what kind of motions the astronaut crew can expect after landing, as well as conditions outside for the recovery team. The experience will help NASA design landing recovery operations including equipment, ship and crew necessities."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Orion_water_test.jpg
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Back in 1969, of course, NASA's Apollo programme was a laughably crude affair in comparison - heh! :
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Isn't it quite exhilarating to witness the quantum leaps of NASA's technology - in only 40 years? ^_^
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby brianv on November 23rd, 2012, 10:58 pm

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There's one of these in the adventure center around the corner that my sons go to!

NASA Bouncy Castles :rolleyes:
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby simonshack on November 23rd, 2012, 11:38 pm

Oh really, Brian?

And does it also change color as it spins - like the Apollo 11 module?

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/spa ... 0092.photo
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http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012 ... 12/100359/
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby abirato on December 3rd, 2012, 11:08 am

Tiny Bubbles and other anomalies:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGvXWV65ESs
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby simonshack on December 3rd, 2012, 1:40 pm

abirato wrote:Tiny Bubbles and other anomalies:


Just for your information, Ab :

that "Paulstalservice" entity (aka "NorwayResearch" - aka "SanLuisSkywatch", aka ex-Cluesforum member "Kentrailer", etc...) is the 'Ace Baker' of our ISS research - and more generally, a full-time stalker/troll employed to co-opt and (at the same time) throw mud at our Cluesforum research.

Some examples of his 'work':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCgBKIf_t30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vhdOuAV7j0
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby abirato on December 3rd, 2012, 2:31 pm

Whoops. I will follow up on your above links. ;)
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby lux on December 3rd, 2012, 2:33 pm

Something I just noticed ...

When Cady revolves toward horizontal her hair revolves with her body.

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If her hair were really floating it would tend to stay in its original position as her body revolved beneath it.

This is Cady's hair when she's not on the ISS sound stage:

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So, evidently, all they did "on the ISS" was put something in her hair that made it stand up all stiff and springy. :lol:
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby Heiwa on December 7th, 2012, 2:19 pm

I asked Google how to see the ISS from Earth and #1 was
http://starryskies.net/articles/2007/06 ... htings.php
It directed me to
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/.
But SkyWatch is under maintenance and currently unavailable, I was told!.
So I tried Current position of the ISS and iss.astroviewer.net/ – but nothing was there.
Next on the list was NASA - How to See the Space Station From the Ground at
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/.../stsight.ht... How to See the Space Station From the Ground. Depending on your location on the Earth's surface, the spacecraft's position in orbit and the time of day, you may ...
But it didn’t work either.
I tried Where is the ISS & how to see it | The PromISSe mission
blogs.esa.int/promisse/2012/01/.../see-iss/but again … no success . Next Google address was
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/ESAWW4KE43D_FeatureWeek_0.html that directed me to http://www.esa.int/seeiss that doesn’t work.

It seems you cannot really see the ISS from Earth for the simple reason it doesn’t exist ... and Google has great difficulties to keep up.

Reason why I asked Google was that I am living just close to the Nice Space Observatory building ( http://uk.eurostar.com/uk/travel-to-fra ... e-60218624 ) and had the idea to rent time there to see and photograph the ISS flying bye above but ... it seems nobody can say when the ISS is flying bye ... if ever.
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Re: Fakery in Orbit: THE ISS

Postby lux on December 10th, 2012, 11:15 pm

The Gemonid meteor shower is coming up in a few days, one of the biggest of the dozens of showers that Earth experiences throughout the year.

The wiki says, "The shower is thought to be intensifying every year and recent showers have seen 120–160 meteors per hour ..." over a period of several days and "The meteors travel at ... about 22 miles per second."

Wow! Those rocks are moving at 79,200 mph. I wonder what one would do if it hit the ISS? But, thankfully, the ISS manages to miraculously avoid such impacts. Not to mention all those satellites whizzing around too.

Gotta hand it to NASA -- they are one lucky agency! :P
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