hoi.polloi wrote:Yes, Flabbergasted. Thank you for bringing it back on topic. The psychological effects of circumcision and how it ties to media fakery must be discussed if we are going to not just make a hate thread. I have heard arguments that it increases pleasure but I would have no idea until I do more research on it.
Ciao Hoi, it's good to hear from you again, even though I still get the feeling you don't like this thread very much. I'm sorry about this, because I value the approval of an intelligent and experienced researcher like you, but I hope you won't mind if I say that getting it is not my primary purpose here. Unless, of course, your approval is essential for keeping this thread alive
So I'll try to respond to your observations as best I can. Let's start from the fact that you seem inclined to consider it a possible "hate thread", as you say here.
Gee, I really don't understand this. Am I using hate words or arguments here? I really don't think so. I mean, we've just had brianv definining Christianity "jeziz zombie religion". Wouldn't such a definition be more worthy of your attention if you don't like things to go into the "hate" direction? No, you ignored that, so I wonder if your "hate radar" is properly working here.
I can't help noticing that Simon had a similar impression, it seems. And, man, I don't want to fan any possible fire here, but I must say that his shakespearian quote is absolutely brilliant! And very pertinent here, I'm afraid.
Female genital mutilation, from the perspective of numerous non-males in my culture (who don't necessarily do as intensive research as we do), is a more horrendous practice because it is done specifically to rob those people of sexual pleasure and control them. I highly suggest not comparing the two practices very casually, or if doing so, finding females and/or non-males who have experienced it, to ask of their experiences. Then, find mutilated males and ask them their experience. I think you may find some key differences. Just a suggestion, and not to get even more off topic than this thread already is.
I don't think that here we have to establish what kind of mutilation is worse than the other. They're different because male and female are different, but they're of the same kind, so I don't think you can say that one is more horrendous than the other. After all, what else can you do to mutilate sexually a male? Cut his dick or his balls? That is what you would consider deserving of a comparison to female genital mutilation? Come on, man.
And thank you again for remarking again that you consider this thread "off topic". I really wonder why. It even ties to media fakery in a very substantial, causal way, being the media possibly owned by people with a certain mentality that I'm trying to point out and define here.
I appreciate you doing more solid research, but I am still confused about why we have a thread with a particular attack against the bad practices of Judaism, but not those of other equally stupid religions. Shall we start threads which expose the disgusting practices of every religion the world over? There are tons of human rights violations the world over, but when you focus on one belief system, you start to sound like the perps that constantly talk about the various human rights violations of Muslim people. "Cast not the first stone" and all that, no?
I'm glad you appreciate my research efforts. Actually, I wanted to post even more research tonight, but I can't ignore your observations, especially you being an administrator and all, and I have to answer them first. I hope to post new research tomorrow, then, if this thread will be still alive... Just joking
Anyway, I think I've just said this with different words, but I'll try to be clearer here: I'm focusing on this particular belief system because I think it produces a mentality strangely similar, for me, to the one we tend to attribute to the people who control the world.
By the way, thank you for comparing me to the "perps", but I don't think I deserve such an honor, at least for one simple reason: I'm not pointing the finger in bad faith, to distract somebody's attention. Actually, misguided as I may be, I think I'm doing just the opposite: I'm trying to direct people's attention on something specific that is difficult to say even here, it seems, at least with you.
I don't care about exposing "the disgusting practices of every religion the world over", but I do care to point out a particular belief system when it happens to be shared by a group of people that exerts a disproportionate degree of control in our current society.
Also, are you sure your "intuition" isn't just some kind of prejudice that you are using CluesForum as a platform for? You sound to me a bit like one of two things:
1. Someone very suppressed on a topic due to scary (and perfectly horrible) laws that ban rightful criticism of Jews, therefore feeling the need to make your voice heard somewhere.
or, what I really do not want to believe you are, but which you sound like
2. Many perfectly nice people who have a deep mistrust or hate of some cultures, which they call an "intuition" rather than a simple prejudice
Actually, I think you sound a little prejudiced yourself against me. Why should you assume that I've hated a certain culture all my life and now I've finally found an outlet for my long-repressed hate? Am I really sounding so prejudiced here?
Of course, you can disagree with me all you want and try to make your points. But why are you questioning my motives here? Doesn't it sound a bit like a "character assassination" attempt, launched also from a higher position of power? Do I have to be prejudiced just because I want to address a question that you don't seem willing to address?
I gather it may be suggested once more that it's wrong of me to say this because I don't live in Europe. Well, I'm sorry but I do come from a different culture. Perhaps, arguably, a more tolerant one, for better or worse.
Well, if you come from a more tolerant culture, I don't think it shows here. I must say you're not sounding very tolerant with me here.
I am starting to get the feeling that your approach to this topic is not very honest about a much more simple thing you are trying to say: "I think Jewishness sucks" or "I think some practices of Abrahamic religions suck". Well, no shit! That is not so much a "conspiracy" as it is a personal preference. Are we going to tell people how to believe?
Well, I'm sorry to say this, but it seems that every new thing I post makes you more aggressive towards me.
You accuse my approach to be "not very honest" (character assassination again) because I don't say what YOU think I really want to say. Well, I can assure you that I'm saying exactly what I want to say, and I'm saying it my way and not yours, if you don't mind. I would say I'm using a non-confrontational way, but from your aggressive responses it would seem that I'm attacking you directly. I wonder why you're taking this so personally, and try to make it personal for me too by trying to offend me.
This possible confusion in yourself also explains why you want to keep the topic name vague — you have not yet realized the extent of your own personal revulsion from people just because of the culture they were born into or chose to have (or were forced to have!).
And I am sorry but if this does not progress from a familiar hate blog, I will advocate for this thread to be closed like our other failed religious discussion that went nowhere, despite our vast patience with it: the "Truth About Christianity" distraction.
Now I sound like a "hate blog", while in a previous post you accused me of sounding like David Icke, no less! When did I start to talk about reptilians? I must have missed it...
Seriously, here we go again with your character assassination attempts: possible confusion, personal revulsion... Since it seems you're even trying to psycho-analyze me here, I dare ask you a personal question: who or what are you defending here, and why? I think I've only said positive things about you so far. So why do you feel attacked and react in such an uncharacteristically aggressive way? Do you realize you're even threatening to close the thread, despite having just recognized my efforts to improve my research? I feel like anything I say here has the power to upset you, and I don't understand why.
So please, try and control your aggressivenes a bit more, will you? Not because I get offended, but because I'm getting tired of having to justify myself to you every step of the way, even when I'm trying to do what you suggested me to do, i.e.more research. Actually, this way you're preventing me to do that. And even to keep up with the thread, because I just realized there are new posts I haven't had the time to read.
So I really hope I will not be forced to ignore your future posts - if they will be in the same, unreasonably aggressive line - and keep posting just my research and observations until maybe you get your way and close the thread.