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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby sharpstuff on December 24th, 2015, 8:32 am

Dear Clues forum,

At last I have found that at least one or two people who have intimated that they would be interested in discussing the ‘disease’ scam/hoax or whatever and I hope to contribute.
(Chatbox, December 23rd, 2015)

I was reluctant to start a topic myself as I feel I am forum-challenged. Being in my early seventies it is a long learning curve for me. I am not into anti-social websites, I am too busy being creative.

If I might supply a suggestion for a title, it would probably be: Engineering disease.

I have been studying medical matters for over fifty years. I have spent two periods of my life in Western Australia, first when I was 18 (1963-1967) when the family went with me and later (1989-2004) when I decided to return to the UK before moving to France, where I now live.

I was a mature student and obtained my teaching degree in English/Art and later a degree in Special Education which I taught in Australia as well as the UK.

To be in perspective, I firmly believe that the Universe is non homogenous plasma of electrical manifestations which has been here forever and will continue to be so. The notion of a universe of ‘particles’ does not sit with me at all, although I concede it does help to explain many things and is a useful tool if not relied upon too much. However, our personal universe starts at the moment of conception and ends with our demise back into the ground.

I have spent many hours over the last month reading through the site. I think I have the gist of what various members have remarked upon. Mathematical studies go way over my head. One of my major 'fields' is the English language as per Fowler's 'The King's English '. That is the precise use of English (in my case) much as mathematical 'language' is to those who understand it.

I wrote my first complete book in 1956 (I was 12 years old) and it was by watching (on our first television) Hans and Lotte Haas and their underwater adventures that inspired me. As a creative person, I also illustrated it. I have been writing ever since on many, many subjects. My books...never read, I would think...are available or can be made available...on-line for free. They include my Easy Health, Sharpen’s ‘Alternative’ Encyclopaedic Medical Dictionary, Notes from Earthground and Sharpen – The Articles.

Please do not think I am joining this site to promote my works. I always write in good faith.

I am a 'draw me a picture' person. Mathematics does not draw a picture for me. I have praise for them and maybe my pictures (including poetry, books, articles and music) do not do the same for them.

A great number of people who post comments seem to miss obvious points. For example (as you say), if a 'rocket' cannot get into space (or much off the ground), then no satellites (or whatever) can be where they are purported to be, nor landings on any 'comet/planet/moon are possible and that is the end of it.

There are many things 'unknowable'. The only 'knowable' is what we experience in our immediate surroundings at a particular 'time'. All the rest is assumption/prediction/conjecture/whatever. The only way to study 'outer space' is to be there. If we cannot 'be there' we have no way of 'knowing' anything about 'outer space'! How might our eyes on earth ‘see’ the universe without an atmosphere?

Like all flora and fauna, we have 'limited' faculties and perceptions. We live within our range of those faculties and perceptions. If we (humans) could 'see' in the so-called 'x-ray', what would our personal 'universe' look like? If we could smell things like a dog, or see like an owl or hear like a bat, what would our 'universe' be like?

Having said all the above, I hope this is satisfactory.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby simonshack on December 24th, 2015, 10:55 am

Dear sharpstuff,

Glad to see you joining our discussions - I have been enjoying your private e-mails to me (always interesting and a pleasure to read). So, here's a warm welcome to you - and if you have any 'technical' questions regarding the forum, feel free to e-mail me for assistance at any time.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Nobalai on January 6th, 2016, 4:14 pm

Good day, forum members!

I've been heavily visiting CluesForum over the last few months, and am amazed at the coherent research and theories gathered. Some specfic posts really have affected me in great ways. I thank you all for your contribution and time.

That being said I have a strong urge to start contributing to the general cause of exposing fakery and hoaxes with my words and skills; I've a mechanical engineering B.E with a strong foundation of physics & thermodynamics, went to grad school for aerodynamics, where I had a research position involving CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics) for a year and a half, and now I'm programming my own software as a service (Saas) web app, Laddice which is a social knowledge management software designed to help gather, organize, and expand upon research (If anyone expresses interest, I'd be more than happy to talk about it more or perhaps give a demonstration.) I am interested in utilizing the mathematical and computational skills learned along the way, and hope I can bring more mathematical discourse. For instance, I have rather extensive knowledge about viscosity and boundary layers (related topics,) some of which seems to go unmentioned in discussion about mechanisms of our atmosphere (please excuse me if I missed a particular post which brought forth these concepts.)

Cluesforum interests me greatly since all of you seem to just simply want to get to the bottom of the shitty movie of a world it seems this place has turned into. I've yet to find another place where I seem to respect the arguments and no-bullshit attitude of most the members (to such a great magnitude)

I got started with personally investigating fakery associated with NASA since in some particular imagery, something really, really felt off. I feel like this opened my mind up to greater possibilities and hoaxes abroad, and after finding CluesForum through the NASA link, I'm finally personally seeing clues which point towards 9/11 being a massive movie psy-op and have been working on putting together some clips which point out the stupendous video oddities that were shown on that day (You guys have already done a stellar job with many clips) Since I was a cognizant adult, I always felt that something was occulted from us on the fateful day of 9/11. It's not that I believe every single argument of fakery presented on this site (ex: every victim was simulated,) but you guys are onto something seriously tremendous.

My username (Nobalai) was chosen because Plato's introduction of the term The Noble Lie ("Nobalai" being prounounced exactly like "Noble Lie") in The Republic was immediately fascinating to me, and when I think of the hoaxes (or to put it lightly, "misrepresentations") of the world, the perpetrators might simply believe they are "Noble Lies." They serve the purpose of "maintaining the social order or to advance an agenda" (quoted directly from the Wikipedia page.) Of course these agendas might be nefarious, or the social order may be repressive; in which Plato's utility of the lie is subverted for pure evil.

(I also make music on the side under the pseudonym "Nobalai" - Soundcloud )

As for the last thing you suggested to introduce with: I'm 24 years old (a bit on the younger side compared to most members I believe...) and hail from America (either Staten Island in NYC or Ohio, as of now.) Being born in 1991, I was a bit too young to really bring a critical eye to the events of 9/11 as they unfolded. But If I was the age I am now, I definitely would have "volunteered" and tried to gather as much information as I could have in order to help the cause of unearthing the truth. One of the things I do know is that many New Yorkers volunteered the days and weeks after, in as strange ways as "bringing water bottles to other volunteers and firemen/policeman"... also heard from my dad that one of the coworkers who volunteered was able to take a break and smoke a cigarette on the famous plane wheel which found itself on the corner of West and Rector streets. There was simply no time to cordon off such an amazing piece of evidence! Especially one that was able to fly out the other side of the 94th floor of the skyscraper and continue flying at over 100 mph.... (Note: all unverified "stories" except I do believe the plane wheel was really there, perhaps placed as a magical stage prop for volunteers and onlookers)

Such are the types of conversations I wish to bring to the table. I also want to improve my skills for discerning video forgery from reality, which I understand is the main concern of this forum. I am currently figuring out how to utilize video production/editing software (specifically Blender) to better analyze and expose potential fakes, and look forward to presenting some of my analyses. I've already done some work on frame-by-frame analysis on some of the more famous WTC-airplane collision sequences (Would love to post them on the forum to re-ignite some discussion, if the forum members are still into that)
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby simonshack on January 7th, 2016, 12:58 am

Nobalai wrote:It's not that I believe every single argument of fakery presented on this site (ex: every victim was simulated,) but you guys are onto something seriously tremendous.


Welcome, Nobalai. That was a seriously tremendous intro of yours. :)

Regarding the one sentence of your intro that I quoted here, I will ask you:

If not every victim of 9/11 was simulated / fictitious, which one(s) in particular do you reckon were real victims?
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby brianv on January 7th, 2016, 3:42 pm

I've a mechanical engineering B.E with a strong foundation of physics & thermodynamics, went to grad school for aerodynamics, where I had a research position involving CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics) for a year and a half, and now I'm programming my own software as a service (Saas)


And you are going to use Blender?? Wouldn't you be better off using something like http://www.ansys.com/en
But remember one thing, everything we saw including the collapse footage was Special FX. So perhaps you are wasting yours and our time with Joody Woody type investigations of the imagery.

Not trying to supersede Simon's question, I'd like your answer to that also.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Nobalai on January 10th, 2016, 5:03 am

simonshack wrote: If not every victim of 9/11 was simulated / fictitious, which one(s) in particular do you reckon were real victims?


Hey Simon. I've read a pretty large portion of the VICSIMS section

Yes, various memorial scams seem to be very suspicious and highly indicative of forgery.

Yes, the falling men and women story unravels pretty quickly when you examine the footage closely, and after really trying to envision this happening in reality (or at least with the frequency claimed by the official story.)

Evidence of CGI and memorial scams are certainly a great start for proving all victims are fake. Perhaps if I didn't have two identities which I've yet to personally debunk, I might be more sold on the theory that every victim is fakery. No, I have not personally met these two individuals and I know some or all of you might react negatively to this, but I'd appreciate you hearing me out before jumping to any conclusions, and I'd be more than happy to hear your critiques.

1) Hilario (Larry) Sumaya was a childhood friend of my fathers (grew up on the same block) who supposedly worked for Marsh McLennan. (File 3585 Row 2258 in the spreadsheet found somewhere in this forum)

I'm not going to pretend my father was still good friends with him by 9/11 2001, but I am fairly confident my dad has no reason to lie about his existence. Now I didn't push too hard when asking questions, but one theory that I am open to is that he might have died before 9/11 (fake stories and family paid off, or families memorial and commemoration stories are fake,) he might still be alive (witness protection, or paid off) or, well ... maybe he was one of the real victims in the building (though it's a given that the official death tool is highly exaggerated) ?

This page http://www.tributes.com/obituary/show/Hilario-V.-Sumaya-9789315 (one of many found by searching Larry Sumaya in google or ddg) confirms he was born in Staten Island like my dad claims. Also asked my dad for a few childhood stories that he remembers and could share some of them if anyone thinks that necessary but I'll hold off for now. I'm definitely up for asking my father any questions the members here see fit, if they think it will help get to the bottom of some particular issue with his identity.

2) Judith Camilla Larocque

This one was claimed to be a college acquaintance of one of my dad's coworkers. Admittedly this is a bit too far removed for my comfort, but I felt like it's at least worthwhile, and the parties (my dad and his coworker) have either little or zero reason to lie. Maybe my dad's coworker was deceived though, or any of the scenarios mentioned for Sumaya's disappearance... another thing to note is this coworker was a first responder and devoted volunteer in the days after 9/11 (she worked in Manhattan in 2001 and was crossing the brooklyn bridge when the first plane supposedly hit )

Please keep in mind that I have a very open mind for debunking the reality that these two individuals deaths were related to 9/11, but as of now this seems a little difficult.



brianv wrote:And you are going to use Blender?? Wouldn't you be better off using something like http://www.ansys.com/en
But remember one thing, everything we saw including the collapse footage was Special FX. So perhaps you are wasting yours and our time with Joody Woody type investigations of the imagery.


Good questions. My first response is that although I have training and experience with CFD (Used ANSYS in college and OpenFOAM for my research), it's main purpose is not photorealism. It's purpose is to get answers to mathematical problems for basic research or to restrict parameters of one's design. As soon as one strives for photorealism, discretizing a grid/mesh (and solving fluid dynamics, turbulence equations etc) quickly loses favor over particle and smoke emitters and other associated animation tools.

As for what I've been experimenting with: conveying the idea to friends and family that some (or all footage) we saw that day was forged. I know you guys take this claim for granted, but I am having rather great trouble in being convincing. I'm sure many of you understand how hard it is to break such an incredibly strong emotional attachment to a preferred version of reality. I am still in search of more "fool proof" evidence and a way to present it in an "incredibly hard or impossible to deny" fashion. Perhaps this is a useless effort, since in the end I am dealing with human psychology (surely discussed at length in this forum) and it's aversion to accepting what might already be concrete evidence. My brother regularly plays the 'devils advocate' with me as I attempt to elaborate on digital hoaxes, and although its frustrating, it just shows that every single "plausible deniability" rebuttal needs to be accounted for to truly subdue one's attachment to illusion. I think I can work towards clarifying more of the physical abnormalities existent within original footage with Blender; it's not only a modeling tool but has pretty good video analyzing/editing functionality. I've been documenting my analysis of "Evan Fairbanks" footage and I think I've found a few CGI clues that haven't yet been presented anywhere on the internet (to the best of my knowledge), or this forum (it's been analyzed here but I've found some clues not mentioned.) I'll be presenting that in the appropriate section soon (1 to 2 weeks hopefully)

Continuing: another goal I have in learning a tool like Blender would be to emulate footage and 3d models as they would have appeared on air that day ( Shouldn't be too hard since most of the angles are blurry as all hell ) I want to experiment with showing this personally made fakery to some test subjects and after them saying something along the lines of "uh you are being ridiculous and paranoid, this is real..." I can come back with the exact methodology and source files in which I forged the evidence. This is, in my mind, a foolproof way of waking someone up to their ignorance of media forgery. Although we know there are aberrations in many of the videos associated with 9/11, we don't have the "source" files to expose, which is a major hitch for me right now.

So it's not about analyzing the fake footage à la Judy Wood style but

1) Finding more clues of CGI and
2) Reproducing my own personal collision (or more difficult, collapse) CGI as a tool to awaken others.


Long winded explanation, but hope it helped Brian and others understand where I think we might be lacking to awake more of the public to media fakery (if that's not a goal for you, then it is for me...)


Note to moderators: I recognize my two responses most likely should appear in a more appropriate thread, but since the questions were asked here I didn't see a way for me to personal respond anywhere else but here. Feel free to properly append this content to anywhere you see fit.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Critical Mass on January 10th, 2016, 5:02 pm

Nobalai wrote:1) Hilario (Larry) Sumaya was a childhood friend of my fathers (grew up on the same block) who supposedly worked for Marsh McLennan.

...

This page confirms he was born in Staten Island like my dad claims.

Nobalai, you may not be aware just how many times we've heard claims like this? Anonymous posters whose relatives knew a victim are so common it has become a bit of a joke in these circles.

Still I suppose it's vaguely possible that some 'real people' went missing as part of the 9/11 plot but the problem with that line of thought is that no-one seems to give a shit about these supposed 3000 victims certainly not the alleged 'loved ones'.

I don't know about you but if my family or friends were killed in a 'terror attack' that took place at the same time the Government admit they were conducting drills depicting said terrorist attack I'd be more than a little peeved.

Especially when in the following years all further 'terrorist attacks' continue to follow this same pattern... the 'evil Muslims' only 'strike' when drills simulating their attacks are taking place.

Where are the genuinely pissed off & angry loved ones?

Instead we have Bob Mcilvaine & law suits against Iran!


As for your alleged fathers alleged childhood friend he features many of the same things we find with other victims... tributes by people who don't appear to exist (certainly in terms of social media) or just plain weird 'tributes'*, 'loved ones' who treated his brutal murder as if he were a lost pet**, oddities with the SSDI (if Hilario's middle name was 'Soriano' or 'Larry' why is it a "V." on the SSDI) & records that say he is currently living in Florida***.

Additionally although his last alleged place of residence may indeed have been Staten Island this article says he was born in Manhattan & grew up in Brooklyn until he was 9 before moving to Oakwood.


Based on the recurring patterns we keep finding with these 'victims' I'd imagine most Cluesforum members will probably just judge either yourself or your Father to be deceptive.

I suspect it will take far more than stories from Daddy before this forum seriously considers an alleged victim to be someone who actually physically existed.



* Favourite examples would be from here.

I just think that Larry might be a cousin of mine or something cause I have never met anyone as that wasn't family of mine with the same last name as me. I just wanted to see if Larry had any other Sumayas that might be related to me. Email me if anyone one has any infomation with the SUMAYA last name.

Manuel Sumaya, Family
Sep 29 2003 11:16PM


Larry and I worked together at The Brooklyn Hospital back around 1984-85 or so. We discovered that he was a long distant relative of my wife, also a second generation Filipino(a). I remember Larry programming in his spare time a baseball game on the System/38. It was amazing! I ran into him just outside the World Trade Center where he told me he worked at Marsh. We both agreed to keep in touch. That was just a couple weeks before 9/11. My heart goes out to his family.

Alex Blasenheim, Colleague
Aug 21 2008 7:37PM



** Larry is mentioned in this September 2001 'flyer' article...though the imagery is long gone.


*** We've seen this before too.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby SacredCowSlayer on January 10th, 2016, 5:58 pm

Dear Nobalai (pronounced Noble Lie?),

Will you please do me a favor since you believe this Mr. Sumaya may be (or have been) a real person?

Please ask your dad to contact Mr. Sumaya's family and inform him that there are researchers at cluesforum.info who claim the 9/11 victims were simulated, and that Mr. Sumaya was not a real person.

You see, if a family member of mine was killed, and such a claim was made, I would respond in the following way.

I would absolutely flood said forum with substantial evidence of my family member's life. Moreover, I would immediately contact all the family members of other victims (that I have no doubt bonded with over the years) and have them do the same. That fire wouldn't take more than a few minutes to spread, and it would be simply overwhelming.

In this digital social network era it is unthinkable that such a response would not occur. Instead what we see are periodic contacts such as yours with similar and ultimately unverified stories.

I did look Mr. Sumaya up and he looks like just another member of the 9/11 sim family. The memorial tributes also sound exactly like the others. Please ask your dad if this guy had an infectious smile and contagious laugh.

I'm not going to sugarcoat my suspicion here Nobalai. If you are truly familiar with this forum then you surely don't think this little tale will actually confuse us. More likely you think it will sow just enough doubt in casual forum readers to deter them from further research. Say it isn't so.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Nobalai on January 10th, 2016, 6:59 pm

SacredCowSlayer and Critical Mass,

Both of you make excellent points.

Critical Mass wrote: oddities with the SSDI (if Hilario's middle name was 'Soriano' or 'Larry' why is it a "V." on the SSDI) & records that say he is currently living in Florida***.


These are especially strange. Good finds.

Nobalai wrote: Please keep in mind that I have a very open mind for debunking the reality that these two individuals deaths were related to 9/11, but as of now this seems a little difficult.


When I said this I really meant it. I hope I don't give the wrong impression that I am somehow irrationally attempting to cast doubt on such logical arguments presented by you both, and the one's found at CluesForum.


SacredCowSlayer wrote: Please ask your dad to contact Mr. Sumaya's family and inform him that there are researchers at cluesforum.info who claim the 9/11 victims were simulated, and that Mr. Sumaya was not a real person.


To prove myself, I think this is a completely fair thing to ask of me, considering the sound arguments you guys brought forth to the strange testimony and lack of giving a shit by the collective families whom supposedly had lost a loved one. I will do my best to get in contact with family and friends as I think it's very important way to legitimize or delegitimize this entire account I brought to the table.

Since none of you know me or my father, I fully expected and understand this critical response, and to be completely honest when I said "but as of now this seems a little difficult," it has officially become a lot less difficult to see that something feels really wrong about the official story and memorials of his death. I wanted this forum to help me see that, if it was possible, and indeed it is. But as SacredCowSlayer suggests, I personally will only ever fully resolve this situation by contacting the supposed family and/or friends.

SacredCowSlayer wrote: In this digital social network era it is unthinkable that such a response would not occur. Instead what we see are periodic contacts such as yours with similar and ultimately unverified stories.


By contacting the family, I hope to instill the fervor for a family member to follow up on this reasonable reaction. Either that, or the family story remains eternally fishy.

Other Notes:
SacredCowSlayer wrote: Dear Nobalai (pronounced Noble Lie?)

Yep!

SacredCowSlayer wrote:I'm not going to sugarcoat my suspicion here Nobalai. If you are truly familiar with this forum then you surely don't think this little tale will actually confuse us. More likely you think it will sow just enough doubt in casual forum readers to deter them from further research. Say it isn't so.


I hope based on my response above, you believe me when I say it isn't so. I'd appreciate you confirming or denying if that's what you got from this reply though. I wish not to get off on the wrong foot in terms of why I brought this to the table (in my opinion it was fair to bring up, and you guys did a stellar job at elaborating on why you think it might be part of the fraud)

Critical Mass wrote: Additionally although his last alleged place of residence may indeed have been Staten Island this article says he was born in Manhattan & grew up in Brooklyn until he was 9 before moving to Oakwood.


My dad grew up in Oakwood, and I might have misspoke when i said they grew up from babies. It's reasonable to think my dad's memory & stories only began past age 9 when this Larry character would have moved to Oakwood. I'll be more careful in the future.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby simonshack on January 11th, 2016, 7:08 pm

Nobalai wrote: 2) Reproducing my own personal collision (or more difficult, collapse) CGI as a tool to awaken others. [/b]


Here's my humble old attempt I made years ago (animation at left) - on Sony Vegas, a standard / run-of-the-mill video editor which really isn't something one would use for making special fx animations and such stuff... I took me about a couple of hours to put it together - mostly spent looking for a suitable United Airlines Boeing 767 still photograph to animate...
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Not a stellar work I admit - but at least my 'Flight 175' looks a bit more like the supposed airliner that they told us crashed into WTC2 that day ! Look at that ridiculous chalk-white rudder/ vertical stabilizer on the "Evan Fairbanks" version. :rolleyes:

Here's from Wackopedia :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ai ... 188143.jpg
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby SmokeytheBarrister on January 12th, 2016, 9:53 pm

Dear Simon,

I’m a criminal defense attorney out of Tennessee, finally disillusioned after a lifetime of buying what the government and news media sell. It wasn’t until I stopped watching the “news” for several years that I became receptive to the idea of mass fraud and propaganda in the US. After researching Sandy Hook for a few hours, the veil was lifted. Now I see it everywhere.

Instead of re-inventing the proverbial wheel (a common newbie mistake I’m sure), I’d like to learn from those who have already researched high-level manipulation and propaganda. Over time, I hope to provide the forum with unique and compelling insight.

Sincerely,

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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Painterman on January 13th, 2016, 2:39 am

SmokeytheBarrister wrote:Instead of re-inventing the proverbial wheel (a common newbie mistake I'm sure), I'd like to learn from those who have already researched high-level manipulation and propaganda.

You've described the important role of Cluesforum, as I see it. This is a place where new understandings are being developed. Really, a whole new field of study, with its own techniques and accumulated knowledge, is taking shape here. (So beware the inevitable parade of astroturfing disruptors passing through to block progress with junk science, junk history, junk you-name-it, and plain ol' babbling nonsense.) Welcome.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby Nobalai on January 13th, 2016, 3:36 am

simonshack wrote:Not a stellar work I admit - but at least my 'Flight 175' looks a bit more like the supposed airliner that they told us crashed into WTC2 that day ! Look at that ridiculous chalk-white rudder/ vertical stabilizer on the "Evan Fairbanks" version. :rolleyes:


I think it's pretty awesome you were able to put that together. It definitely emphasizes "the building devoured the plane" bit. The one thing that stands out is the vertical line in which the plane disappears. I think this is where the complex compositing comes into play, and where many more hours of work needs to be done to make it more convincing.

I dream of a time when such a complex experiment can be run in which a large airliner collides with a steel framed building of similar shape/structure to WTC1&2. Wonder how that'll turn out...
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Postby brianv on January 13th, 2016, 12:53 pm

Painterman wrote:
SmokeytheBarrister wrote:Instead of re-inventing the proverbial wheel (a common newbie mistake I'm sure), I'd like to learn from those who have already researched high-level manipulation and propaganda.

You've described the important role of Cluesforum, as I see it. This is a place where new understandings are being developed. Really, a whole new field of study, with its own techniques and accumulated knowledge, is taking shape here. (So beware the inevitable parade of astroturfing disruptors passing through to block progress with junk science, junk history, junk you-name-it, and plain ol' babbling nonsense.) Welcome.


Wonderfully put Painterman, and welcome to the forum Smokey.
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Hello Simon (and all).

Postby Emile Cole on January 19th, 2016, 9:27 pm

My name's Emile Cole....

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....I'm afraid I'm not much good at lengthy introductions (certainly open to questions though) and make no claim to any special knowledge or particular area of expertise, actually I'm an eighth grade dropout. Really just an old philosophical artist and sometime experimentalist tinkerer here in Seattle, Washington....

Anyway nice to meet you (and all).... I hope that this is a satisfactory (albeit short) introductory "Handshake".
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