Italian Victims of 9/11: Developments

[reel.deal]

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[warriorhun]

Dear reel.deal,

So far, the only confirmed Hungarian in relation with 9/11 is Péter, the Tourist Guy :

[corsarino]

According to:
http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/2001-ad-o ... 05857.html

in alphabetical order:

1 Angelo Amaranto,
2 Gino Luigi Calvi,

 3 Lucia Crifasi,
4 Palmina Delli Gatti,
5 Elvira Granitto,
6 Felicia Hamilton,
7 Franco Lalama,
8 Sean Gordon Corbett O’Neill,
9 Dominick A. Pezzulo,
10 Gerard F. Rauzi,
11 John Frank Rizzo,
12 John Talignani,
13 Anthony Luparello

[nonhocapito]

I'm back to this thread since it turns out that, not long after I had left this thread for dead, in September 2011 the Italian Association for Victims of Terrorism or AVITER did link to a set of information in regards to the Italian victims of 9/11, calling it a "first draft" (10 years for a first draft?, which hasn't been worked on for the following 6 years? Great job... After all it's only the most crucial and important "terror" attack of human history, but whatever.)

The link is the following, incredibly enough hosted on Scribd (uploaded on 6 Sept. 2011):
https://www.scribd.com/doc/64049965/Ele ... -dell-11-9
as linked by AVITER here http://www.vittimeterrorismo.it/memorie/vittime119.htm
If you are annoyed by Scribd's limitations, I have uploaded it here.

Too bad the list is once again the completely bogus mix of Italian-American sounding names computer-generated back on 9/11, with their morphed-rendered pictures.

The hypocrisy of AVITER is paramount, as they have no qualms in calling their list "Italian and Italian-American victims of 9/11", without making ANY effort in telling us which is which.

American burgers might live in the cozy delusion that an Italian-American and a native Italian are the same thing. Italians should know better.

In fact, only very few of the names in the list actually sound Italian, in the sense of a holder of Italian passport born on Italian soil. Double passport holders might have had Italian parents and never set foot in Italy in their life. Their names might be John, Louise, Bernard... Here we are looking for the 10 native Italian victims of 9/11 Foreign Minister Ruggiero referred to in the article linked earlier in the thread, explaining that of the 37 victims, 27 had dual passports and 10 had only Italian passports.

I have shortlisted and researched the following identities, after having removed all the ones which unequivocally sounded and/or looked Italian-American (most of those with English first names, for example -- @corsarino: this simple criteria also voids of any sense the list you linked to from Il Giornale):

"Angelo Amaranto", according to Legacy.com "a native of Salerno" -- can be considered Italian

"Arturo Angelo Sereno", whose "mother" seems to have appeared at the infamous commemoration at the Italian Consulate, as documented (?) on findagrave.com, cannot be considered Italian since legacy.com mentions a father "Tom" and a sister "Nancy", so what the heck was the mother doing at the Italian consulate? -- cannot be considered Italian

"Daniela Rosalia Notaro", according to this deliberation of the municipality of a small Italian town, she was born in Brooklyn from Italian parents -- might be a double passport holder

"Elvira Granitto", according to this article "Granitto, of Naples, Italy" -- can be considered Italian

"Giovanna Galletta Gambale", according to Legacy had a father named "Anthony", so scratch this one -- cannot be considered Italian

"Antonio Luparello", nice try, Legacy.com calls him "Anthony" -- cannot be considered Italian

"Gino Luigi Calvi", alternatively only "Luigi" or "Gino" or "Gene" depending on the commemorative website you go to. Might be regarded as Italian although the story of him fixing a Volkswagen "Rabbit" in his youth doesn't sound too Italian, since this kind of car is called "Golf" in Europe. -- unlikely to be considered Italian

* "Franco Lalama", "Born in Italy, Mr. Lalama, of Nutley, N.J., came to New Jersey in 1963, when he was 7" (Legacy). -- can be considered Italian

* "Salvatore Gitto". We are told he worked for a company called "Marsh & McLennan", so I googled "Marsh & McLennan Companies 9/11 victims memorial" and got to this site where, unsurprisingly, we are offered memorials reprinted from Legacy.com which in turn reprinted them from the New York Times. They want us to believe that they have "lost 295 employees" on 9/11, but cannot take the time to churn out decent biographies of them? So how did the NYT do it, anyway? But I digress. Findagrave says he was born in New York. -- might be a double passport holder

* "Salvatore Fiumefreddo" , according to this article "Born in Oakwood, the New Dorp High School graduate moved to Manalapan, N.J., 10 years ago" -- cannot be considered Italian

"Salvatore Calabro". Legacy mentions "his mother Connie" -- cannot be considered Italian

"Lucia Crifasi". According to Legacy, her family came to America in 1958. Her birth is given by findagrave in 1950. -- can be considered Italian

"Laura Marchese". This article mentions parents "Anthony and Lorraine". -- cannot be considered Italian

"Marcello Matricciano". According to this horrific book I've just found out about, he was born in New York, to Italian parents. -- might be a double passport holder

"Maria Percoco Vola". Findagrave says born in New York. -- cannot be considered Italian

"Lisa Trerotola". This article states "born in Brooklyn". , but her mother "Irene Spina" is an impersonator suing the Saudis over 9/11 as google shows... the name sounds Italian enough. -- might be a double passport holder

"Salvatore Pepe". Once again the horrific book mentions "born in the Bronx", to Italian parents. -- might be a double passport holder

(all images taken from the PDF on Scribd linked above)

So what do we have? 4 native Italians, a few "maybe" Italians which may or may not have a double passport... and the incredible thing is that even these 4 are never mentioned, never remembered, never talked about or used as media fodder on the Italian media, a media known for being open to use pretty much anything to get ratings.

Of course this list makes no sense in the first place since all identities of 9/11 victims are completely imaginary! (better specify this).

However this stands to show how little consistency or credibility is there to the story of the 10 or 27 or whatever the number of Italians who died on 9/11. Wikipedia, unsurprisingly, is full of shit, and to this day we don't know who these "people" are supposed to be.

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* "Arturo Angelo Sereno", whose "mother" seems to have appeared at the infamous commemoration at the Italian Consulate, as documented (?) on findagrave.com, cannot be considered Italian since legacy.com mentions a father "Tom" and a sister "Nancy", so what the heck was the mother doing at the Italian consulate? -- cannot be considered Italian

Dearest Nonho,

I have fortunately saved that absolutely CLASSIC 'performance' of the supposed mother of "Arturo Angelo Sereno" at the Italian Consulate in New York, "starring" former Italian President Massimo D'Alema.

I would recommend ALL Italian forum readers to download and watch that CLASSIC VIDEO - as linked at the bottom of this post: viewtopic.php?p=2352640#p2352640

[nonhocapito]

Another interesting tidbit, which I'm not sure anybody noticed:

In September 2011, a magazine called "Italy Magazine", published an article which linked to this very thread! as if the information to be found here was completely innocuous...

Here it is: http://www.italymagazine.com/featured-s ... ictims-911

The lack of information regarding Italian casualties on September 11, 2001 has prompted one anonymous Internet user to conduct his own investigation. The main target of his campaign to recognize Italian deaths on 9/11 has been AVITER, the Italian Association of Victims of Terrorism.

While the AVITER website has a page dedicated to Italian victims of international terrorism, it only recently added a note alluding to the 9/11 attacks. An entry for September 11, 2001 reads (in Italian): “We are in the process of verifying the names of Italian victims of the World Trade Centre: 10 Italians and 270 Italian-Americans.”

It remains unclear why there is so much mystery concerning the names of the Italian 9/11 victims. According to an article that appeared in the Italian newspaper La Stampa, then-Foreign Minister Renato Ruggiero revealed that there were 37 victims of Italian-origin who died in the attacks. He goes on to claim that (translated from Italian), “the names should remain top-secret because that is what the Americans want.”

Foreign Minister Ruggiero explained that of the 37 victims, 27 had dual passports and 10 had solely Italian passports. This could be where the oft-quoted number of 10 victims comes from, but it excludes the 27 other victims with dual citizenship.

I suppose yours truly would be the "one anonymous Internet user" But hey, they actually linked to cluesforum, so thanks, Italy Magazine! Although the "campaign" here was hardly "to recognize deaths on 9/11". More like to put to shame the fakers who got tangled in their own web of lies, I'd say.

Thing is, the article really serves to introduce a number of videos from the History Channel called "gli italiani nelle torri", also posted in August 2011 on youtube.

I am almost tempted to think that these videos were an answer to this very thread - an effort to present as believable this complete mess of the Italian victims of 9/11...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1j_DvsWL2c

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJjX15QTlzI

my, the bad acting, the elevator music...