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Stubblar
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Re: The CORONAVIRUS "CRISIS" - as reported in the press

Unread post by Stubblar » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:45 pm

Point taken. I will try to delete my post above. Thank you for your input and please accept my sincere apologies for the stress and confusion I have caused.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS "CRISIS" - as reported in the press

Unread post by michiganj » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:27 pm

Dear Stubblar, I sent you a PM.

Warm regards, mj

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by Flabbergasted » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:29 pm

herrnimrod wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:17 pm
Since then they have been demonized to an unprecedented degree.
This is the one objective and inescapable fact to consider.

As for the rest, it can be quarrelled over with no end in sight. What exactly the Germans fought against in WWII and what they stood for, whether Hitler was a Rothschild agent (as Henry Makow would have it) rounding up rank-and-file Jews to people Israel with or the true nemesis of international money power, whether there was one unified Germany or many Germanies with conflicting interests, whether national socialism was merely a clone of Soviet socialism or an attempt to establish a non-Marxist Platonic utopia, whether all religious and masonic groups were systematically persecuted or the Party brass were occultists by definition, and so many other visceral questions, would require a whole separate site or forum to discuss. The problem is keeping such a space sober.

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Re: THE DERAILING ROOM

Unread post by pov603 » Wed May 06, 2020 1:57 pm

Shouldn’t anything about Germ-many be in the Coronavirus thread?...

datspot
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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by datspot » Sun May 10, 2020 1:42 am

Please take a look at, H.R.748 The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act or the CARES Act, a trillion-dollar financial support Act which was signed into law by President Trump on 27th of March 2020.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flvoS9zVDr8

Then look at the date that this bill was introduced via the five summaries for H.R.748 listed on the official .gov. site. The bill was introduced on 24th of January 2019.

Nuff said.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... e-bill/748

slowanon
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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by slowanon » Sun May 10, 2020 4:19 am

datspot wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 1:42 am
Please take a look at, H.R.748 The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act or the CARES Act, a trillion-dollar financial support Act which was signed into law by President Trump on 27th of March 2020.

Then look at the date that this bill was introduced via the five summaries for H.R.748 listed on the official .gov. site. The bill was introduced on 24th of January 2019.
Not arguing just adding, it was called "Middle Class Health Benefits Tax Repeal Act of 2019" at that point and it's CARES Act from 3/25/2020.

Now apparently there's been a bill introduced with the number 6666?
"H.R.6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act"
https://web.archive.org/web/20200508214 ... /6666/text

Why this funny number? Who does the numbering? They almost couldn't have picked a better one for conspiracy candy.
https://www.infowars.com/hr6666-the-bill-of-the-beast/

If want to push it, flip (the) 116 (th congress) to 911.

datspot
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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by datspot » Sun May 10, 2020 6:24 am

slowanon wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 4:19 am
datspot wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 1:42 am
Please take a look at, H.R.748 The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act or the CARES Act, a trillion-dollar financial support Act which was signed into law by President Trump on 27th of March 2020.

Then look at the date that this bill was introduced via the five summaries for H.R.748 listed on the official .gov. site. The bill was introduced on 24th of January 2019.
Not arguing just adding, it was called "Middle Class Health Benefits Tax Repeal Act of 2019" at that point and it's CARES Act from 3/25/2020.
Can you point to the place where that change was made please?

The bill was clearly designed for this outbreak as the opening paragraph states,

"This bill responds to the COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) outbreak and its impact on the economy, public health, state and local governments, individuals, and businesses."

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by anonjedi2 » Sun May 10, 2020 7:13 am

datspot, here you go:

You can click on the dropdown menu and see the Bill through each stage and when the name was changed.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... %5D%7D&r=1

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by heniek1812 » Sun May 10, 2020 8:03 am

datspot wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:24 am
The bill was clearly designed for this outbreak as the opening paragraph states,

"This bill responds to the COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) outbreak and its impact on the economy, public health, state and local governments, individuals, and businesses."
I must say this just blew me away. This is so in your face that having ones jaw drop is a mild reaction.

There simply is no other way to interpret this Bill as in 2020 they were only voting on it and not doing any changes to the text (or maybe not). The word "Novel" is clearly in there, a word which was started to be used only in 2020. Would this wording have been inserted in 2020 ?? Not knowing how this bill writing was done leaves me confused.
This is still ringing in my skull, Unbelievable !!!
H. R. 748—33 TITLE II—ASSISTANCE FOR AMERICAN WORKERS, FAMILIES, AND BUSINESSES Subtitle A—Unemployment Insurance Provisions SEC. 2101. SHORT TITLE. This subtitle may be cited as the ‘‘Relief for Workers Affected by Coronavirus Act’’. SEC. 2102. PANDEMIC UNEMPLOYMENT ASSISTANCE. (a) DEFINITIONS.—In this section: (1) COVID–19.—The term ‘‘COVID–19’’ means the 2019 Novel Coronavirus or 2019-nCoV. (2) COVID–19 PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY.—The term ‘‘COVID–19 public health emergency’’ means the public health emergency declared by the Secretary of Health and Human Services on January 27, 2020, with respect to the 2019 Novel Coronavirus. (3) COVERED INDIVIDUAL.—The term ‘‘covered individu
I could have never found this if it was not for your work. Impressive !!!!

I had a look at the guy who introduced the 6666 Bill and his image simply makes me ill. The look and his last name (hurry) must be used to make fun of the Proles.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by anonjedi2 » Sun May 10, 2020 3:30 pm

Mods, can we please clean this up?

The Bill was clearly introduced in January 2019 under a different name. There is no smoking gun here and I would hate to have our reliable and legitimate research tainted for the average reader.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by SacredCowSlayer » Sun May 10, 2020 4:18 pm

anonjedi2 wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 3:30 pm
Mods, can we please clean this up?

The Bill was clearly introduced in January 2019 under a different name. There is no smoking gun here and I would hate to have our reliable and legitimate research tainted for the average reader.
I’ve reviewed the Bill referenced in the above posts, and it's definitely not any kind of “smoking gun” evidence. Spending bills are routinely advanced as “continuing resolutions” these days, and the titles are subject to change—which isn’t always so readily clear.

In this instance, there were a total of 15 amendments to it, and they were all submitted between March 22 and March 25, 2020.

The title of the Bill referencing “Coronavirus” wasn’t included unit it was passed by the Senate on March 25, 2020. The House Bill was entitled “Middle Class Health Benefits Tax Repeal Act of 2019.”

I have moved all posts on this sub-issue to the Derailing Room.

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Re: THE DERAILING ROOM

Unread post by Flabbergasted » Sun May 10, 2020 4:28 pm

Still, it´s a pretty weird of way of releasing as much as 6.2 trillion dollars for a completely different purpose. Is that a routine thing in the US?

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Re: THE DERAILING ROOM

Unread post by SacredCowSlayer » Sun May 10, 2020 4:42 pm

Flabbergasted wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 4:28 pm
Still, it´s a pretty weird of way of releasing as much as 6.2 trillion dollars for a completely different purpose. Is that a routine thing in the US?
You’d be amazed at the legislative process, particularly concerning the federal government. A spending bill that passes the House then goes to the Senate. A single Senator may try to attach a completely unrelated Amendment to the Bill, and if it’s not objected to, it will end up in the final Bill passed by the Senate. Then the House can pass the Senate version, or it can be sent to a “Conference Committee” to hammer out the differences. At the end of the day, the final Bill has to be approved by the full House and Senate before being submitted to the President. And yes, it can start out as one thing, and end up something else entirely. Disclaimer: that’s the very short version of the process.

datspot
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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by datspot » Sun May 10, 2020 9:41 pm

Just reposting this as it was removed in the last 24 hours for some reason.

The H.R.748 - CARES Act, which according to the bill, "responds to the COVID-19 (i.e., coronavirus disease 2019) outbreak and its impact on the economy, public health..." Was signed into law on 27th of March by President Trump.

What disturbs me about this is that it was introduced on the 24th of January 2019.

Can anyone shed light on the fact that this bill was introduced almost a year before the virus?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... e-bill/748

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by anonjedi2 » Sun May 10, 2020 9:57 pm

Yes, we shed light on it.

The bill was originally introduced as in January, 2019 under a different name. It was not called Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act or the CARES Act until the name was changed in March of 2020. You can verify this for yourself by clicking on the dropdown on this page and going through the different phases of the Bill.

The conversation was moved to the derailing room.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-con ... %5D%7D&r=1

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