9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS

The notion of 'thousands of victims' was crucial to generate universal public outrage. However, having 3000 angry families breathing down their necks was never part of the perps' demented plan. Our ongoing analyses and investigations suggest that NO one died on 9/11.

Unread postby ATTC on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:09 pm

simonshack 4 Mar 31 2010, 06:02 PM wrote:
To ATTC :

I agree with some of your thoughts, such as : All the memorial portraits do not have to be photoshop/doctored images. That is one aspect. Another aspect is how they created the fictitious victims. I agree there may have been different methods used there too; some completely made-up from scratch - and some 'lent' identities of real /"backstopped" persons or variations thereof.

Such a huge false-flag operation must have employed multifaceted strategies to make everything all the more complex to figure out. I hope we both agree on this too.

Where I do NOT agree with you is that we should 'adapt' our investigations to suit Joe Public's ability/propensity/disposition to understand and accept the research. We are not into marketing - or into selling a product. As much as you are concerned that the 'zero victims' contention may put off people, it has to be considered as a proposition on the merit of a logical line of reasoning. As I have written on other occasions (and to this day, no one has confronted me on this issue) the logic behind a "no victims" strategy makes, IMHO, perfect sense. What if 500 people really died in the towers? Would they not one day discover that 2500 families were nowhere to be found? How inanely silly would it be for the perps to let themselves be exposed to such a potential liability, ready to explode at any time, backed by 500 angry and motivated families and their lawyers? It simply makes no sense at all. I'll stop here, inviting you to reply to this specific aspect.



I agree we should not compromise the truth just to suit Joe Public.

IN fact I think all of this is conceptual. I think when you want to tell Joe Public the truth you bring him along to gradually distrust entities and their sources.

First you point out to him the big picture of our monetary system. After all monetary fraud is the easiest thing to accept. You show him the work of MIchael Ruppert and others that expose the CIA drug smuggling.

You use the wonderful analogy of the mafia. ( If the mafia can get away with what they can get away with without near the power or influence of TPTB, imagine what TPTB can get away with.)

Bu my concern was not just in compromise for Joe Public, another reason I was suggesting to not push the 100% angle was again to protect against unauthentic but seemingly real people. That they have taken the time to backstop that much. Or even stolen identities. Based on a few concentrated people, they could "debunk" the research. But if we leave the door open say to speak for just even a handful to be real, they can't go that route. They would never even be willing to take the time to try to fully back stop 3000 people. Just like they never really took the time to try to do that for the SSDI.


And one reason why I am willing to accept the no victims theory is because something that never sat well with me was this idea that people in one of the buildings went back inside their building after the other tower was struck. Im sorry it just doesn't make a lick of sense to me why someone would have told these people to "go back to work" or even why they would comply with such a command.

Also I've been thinking, how much easier it would be to recruit these paid actors, the demolition men, etc if they knew they were in on a plan that would actually not really take away lives but only seemingly do so.


Can we agree on this at least, in at least presentation of information like this to Joe Public we should push the MANY/MOST line, but among those of us who are already awoken up to the lies it's ok to dig amongst the possibility of ZERO?

Because let's face it we can't be too dismissive of Joe Public if we ever hope to truly let this real truth movement threaten to overtake the controlled one.
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Unread postby D.Duck on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:14 pm

Heiwa @ Mar 31 2010, 04:03 PM wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/3 ... 19727.html

Donna Marsh O'Connor -- a Peaceful Tomorrows member lost her pregnant daughter when the Twin Towers collapsed

Anyone knows more about this pregnant daughter, Vanessa Lang Langer? Is there a widow father Lang or Langer, Donna’s son in law, around?



Heiwa,

Vanessa Lang Langer was driving her Ford Explorer from the glove compartment to WTC that horrific tuesday all according to her mother Donna Marsh O'Connor.

She has shown those two pictures of her daughter everywhere she goes for 4 years now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_rPq9Yvxl0

Yea, there is a step father Robert T. O’Connor but I have never seen him,lol.

http://www.nyccan.org/signatories.php

Donna is part of the Langley babes together with Mary Flechet, Jersey girls and the rest of that gang.

D.Duck


BTW: Mary Flechet was one of the spokespersons of NYCCAN but after we exposed her son Brad as a vicsim she is no longer to be seen.
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Unread postby ATTC on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:30 pm

D.Duck 4 Mar 31 2010, 06:14 PM wrote:
Heiwa 4 Mar 31 2010, 04:03 PM wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/3 ... 19727.html

Donna Marsh O'Connor -- a Peaceful Tomorrows member lost her pregnant daughter when the Twin Towers collapsed

Anyone knows more about this pregnant daughter, Vanessa Lang Langer? Is there a widow father Lang or Langer, Donna’s son in law, around?



Heiwa,

Vanessa Lang Langer was driving her Ford Explorer from the glove compartment to WTC that horrific tuesday all according to her mother Donna Marsh O'Connor.

She has shown those two pictures of her daughter everywhere she goes for 4 years now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_rPq9Yvxl0

Yea, there is a step father Robert T. O’Connor but I have never seen him,lol.

http://www.nyccan.org/signatories.php

Donna is part of the Langley babes together with Mary Flechet, Jersey girls and the rest of that gang.

D.Duck


BTW: Mary Flechet was one of the spokespersons of NYCCAN but after we exposed her son Brad as a vicsim she is no longer to be seen.



What ever happened to the Jersey Girls?

It would be nice if some of these people had contact info.

Did the media stop using them after you guys exposed them too?
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Unread postby idschmyd on Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:42 pm

ATTC 4 Mar 31 2010, 04:47 PM wrote:
brianv 4 Mar 31 2010, 04:07 PM wrote: Um, er, Oh look, posted yesterday...

http://www.theworldsprophecy.com/

http://www.theworldsprophecy.com/photoshop/

Any connection? :rolleyes:


Well perhaps Luke is an example of a really backstopped guy. I mean 55+ photos on that facebook dedication site.

That's just a reason to not go with the 100% fake angle. I mean even if all 55 photos were fake, you really think you're going to convince Joe Public of that?

Again that 100% number is not necessary to establish criminality of the media perps or animation perps.

All it does is make the movement more prone to attack by authentic or seemingly authentic handful of individuals.


Others have covered this post already, but having trawled through the 55 blurry pics of our imaginary friend I'm gonna post anyway.


If J Public can't see that Rambousek is fiction then bon voyage to him. And as for this diabolical stupidity: http://www.theworldsprophecy.com/photoshop/

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I assume this splat is supposed to be wearing a hat with an emblem. It's not the point.


Save your movements for the toilet.
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Unread postby brianv on Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:22 pm

ATTC @ Mar 31 2010, 06:01 PM wrote:
brianv 4 Mar 31 2010, 04:57 PM wrote: So it's a coincidence that that article was posted yesterday and you posted the same alleged victim's name here today? 2776/1? (license)

'Scuse me! Movement? Which 'movement' would that be?



I hope you're not accusing me of being a shill. You must not remember my posts from the old forum. I support you guys research.

First of all let me be straight forward with you, I got that victim name from the "Lets Roll Forum".

http://letsrollforums.com/cnn-memorial- ... 20623.html

I thought it was compelling so I decided to post it here. Maybe the lack of coincidence is on THERE part. And it is kind of suspicious how they keep censoring TV Fakery talk.

Yet they posted something like that.


ATTC, I was going to ask if I remembered you from the letsroll forum!

http://letsrollforums.com/no-commercial ... 20534.html
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Unread postby D.Duck on Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:27 pm

ATTC,



What ever happened to the Jersey Girls?
It would be nice if some of these people had contact info.



OK, here we go again:

Contact info " James Bond" MI 5 headquarters London.


Contact info "Jersey Girls" NYC New Jersey.


What part of that don't you get:

THEY ARE ACTORS.


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Unread postby brianv on Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:33 pm

"You must not remember my posts from the old forum. I support you guys research."

http://letsrollforums.com/no-commercial ... 20534.html

Your co-poster 'Ugo_da_Lugo' joined up here last week!

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... owuser=196

Funny that innit?
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Unread postby D.Duck on Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:40 pm

brianv @ Mar 31 2010, 08:33 PM wrote: http://letsrollforums.com/no-commercial ... 20534.html

And Ugo_da_Lugo joined up here last week!

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... owuser=196

Funny that innit?


brianv,

Kind of interesting, don't you think?


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Unread postby brianv on Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:47 pm

D.Duck @ Mar 31 2010, 09:40 PM wrote:
brianv 4 Mar 31 2010, 08:33 PM wrote: http://letsrollforums.com/no-commercial ... 20534.html

And Ugo_da_Lugo joined up here last week!

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... owuser=196

Funny that innit?


brianv,

Kind of interesting, don't you think?


D.Duck


I do know that the 'old board' was "moderated" by the same moderators from the Letsroll Forum and populated by it's members also.
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Unread postby IceDash on Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:55 pm

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /2215.html

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Paul John Gill

his shoulder is missing and the background is cut and paste.

Okay first of all:


http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /3854.html

Brigid M. Rumpf, neighbor

I like to to if I can find anything else about this neighbor

So I google it:

I found her in here in the comment section below:

http://www.clydefitchreport.com/?p=5586

Brigid Rumpf says:
January 23, 2010 at 12:40 pm
BRAVA! Susan!
As a New Yorker and a Manhattanite born and bred? Susan K. Hefti moves and stirs my heart about my town and “my history”?.inspires me brilliantly while re-awakening my old and very personal friendship with Holden Caulfield. I love reading her words and how she stills my mind on her intention?.I always learn something new too! Susan ? I wish I had a professor like you way back in the day?it would have made quite a difference!
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Unread postby ATTC on Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:20 am

D.Duck @ Mar 31 2010, 09:40 PM wrote:
brianv 4 Mar 31 2010, 08:33 PM wrote: http://letsrollforums.com/no-commercial ... 20534.html

And Ugo_da_Lugo joined up here last week!

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... owuser=196

Funny that innit?


brianv,

Kind of interesting, don't you think?


D.Duck


That's cause Phil is very dismissive of this research and he actually made a post referencing this site. I totally forgot I had an account
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Unread postby brianv on Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:47 am

ATTC @ Apr 1 2010, 02:20 AM wrote:
D.Duck 4 Mar 31 2010, 09:40 PM wrote:
brianv 4 Mar 31 2010, 08:33 PM wrote: http://letsrollforums.com/no-commercial ... 20534.html

And Ugo_da_Lugo joined up here last week!

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... owuser=196

Funny that innit?


brianv,

Kind of interesting, don't you think?


D.Duck


That's cause Phil is very dismissive of this research and he actually made a post referencing this site. I totally forgot I had an account


"I totally forgot I had an account! "

ATTC Join Date: Feb 2010

"You must not remember my posts from the old forum. I support you guys research."


No commercial planes is more than a valid theory. To an extent anyone who thinks a missile or something other than a Boeing hit the Pentagon or landing in Shanksville is a "no planer".

I think that the disinfo artist took it a step further and pretended there were no aircrafts involved whatsoever. I don't know about that whatsoever especially with all the people who allegedly saw and hear planes.

But what's interesting is most of those witnesses don't say they saw Boeings. The only people claiming that are like sketchy execs who were calling in on the day of the attacks and who were pedaling the official account.


If we dont think that planes could take down those buildings, why would they use planes in the first place, especially considering how many things could go wrong.


And considering the amateur skills of those terrorist pilots, considering the ex military background of the actual pilots and co pilots, and more than anything considering how incredibly empty those planes were on 9/11 and how incredibly few names of passengers are listed in the SSDI, it just doesn't add up.

And no commercial plane is a more than viable theory although unfortunately it can only remain a theory because only the perps know what really happened.



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Give it up ATTC!
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Unread postby fred on Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:43 am

It's my opinion that the same clerk-typist who occasionally pecks keys as 'Ace Baker' and usually as 'Weezula' [Darren McNulty] staffs some of the other characters from time to time. I think they have a round-robin system where any keyboard-jockey can shill as any of various characters.

It's especially apparent on Youtube that the various incarnations of the same perp/infiltrator characters do not share the same information set. On one board or site they're big supporters of Hoi's research and on the other board they've never heard of "The Vicsim Report" and are claiming that their uncle's schoolteacher's fiancee died on Flight 77.

The phrase "shamefully deleted" sounds oddly familiar.

IMHO activists should on focus on making clear presentations to their own audiences and let the concern trolls express their "concerns" about how the new findings will play with Joe Public or Joe Plumber in Peoria.

Predictably, the bad guys will try to dummy up their defenses by putting up some new "photos" while quietly removing some of their most embarrassing failures. Last time around they removed a lot of the TV news archive footage and replaced it with what Simon Shack called "a shameless mash-up". The BBC "accidentally lost" their tapes, the archives decided not to allow anyone to download high-bandwidth videos, and they had a couple of fake witnesses issue "clarifications" of their previous damning statements. Then they released a flurry of "new" anonymous historic footage in higher resolution, such as the Bob and Bri psyop, the ridiculous Japanese Sanders-Pavel-Hllava-Hezarkhani re-work, etc.

Now we're treated to brand-new Facebook archives of bogus photos. Plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose.
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Unread postby ATTC on Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:47 am

brianv 4 Apr 1 2010, 02:47 AM wrote:
ATTC 4 Apr 1 2010, 02:20 AM wrote:
D.Duck 4 Mar 31 2010, 09:40 PM wrote: [quote="brianv 4 Mar 31 2010, 08:33 PM"]
http://letsrollforums.com/no-commercial ... 20534.html

And Ugo_da_Lugo joined up here last week!

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... owuser=196

Funny that innit?


brianv,

Kind of interesting, don't you think?


D.Duck


That's cause Phil is very dismissive of this research and he actually made a post referencing this site. I totally forgot I had an account


"I totally forgot I had an account! "

ATTC Join Date: Feb 2010

"You must not remember my posts from the old forum. I support you guys research."


No commercial planes is more than a valid theory. To an extent anyone who thinks a missile or something other than a Boeing hit the Pentagon or landing in Shanksville is a "no planer".

I think that the disinfo artist took it a step further and pretended there were no aircrafts involved whatsoever. I don't know about that whatsoever especially with all the people who allegedly saw and hear planes.

But what's interesting is most of those witnesses don't say they saw Boeings. The only people claiming that are like sketchy execs who were calling in on the day of the attacks and who were pedaling the official account.


If we dont think that planes could take down those buildings, why would they use planes in the first place, especially considering how many things could go wrong.


And considering the amateur skills of those terrorist pilots, considering the ex military background of the actual pilots and co pilots, and more than anything considering how incredibly empty those planes were on 9/11 and how incredibly few names of passengers are listed in the SSDI, it just doesn't add up.

And no commercial plane is a more than viable theory although unfortunately it can only remain a theory because only the perps know what really happened.



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Give it up ATTC!
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Get over your paranoia. Ok innocence is harder to prove than guilt but here's the step by step deal. Since the 911 movement forum closed down I haven't really been an active member of a forum

As you can see I joined this one just 8 days after you joined. But after starting to work again and not spending much time online talking 9/11, I totally forgot about this forum. Which is understandable considering I had a whopping ONE post.
http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... ic=3&st=60

So I saw the Let's Roll forum. The format to the site is actually very similar to the movement.org site.

So anyways after being on there for a little while I noticed a thread asking did large airliners really hit the towers?
http://letsrollforums.com/did-large-air ... 549p2.html

The guy posted the information about birds wings hurting airplanes and everything. And the owner of the site, Phil replied that in a storm that wood can go through a tree. So he posted a bunch of pictures.

Well I didn't want to make it seem like I was a total homer for No Plane Theory which I still have reasonable reservations about so I said I'll play "devil's advocate" and explained the concept about wood being a porous material not comparable to steel, and can't really account for the steel as hot knife through butter.

So anyways that thread got moved.


So the guy who started that thread bumps another thread he had.
http://letsrollforums.com/no-commercial ... 534p4.html

And he stated:

"I came onto this thread because its a subject that is of some interest to me, but I see that it has died a sudden death. I happen to be one who appreciates contributions from all sides of a certain point of view, especially if the topic is controversial. This is so that I may better decide things for myself as regards a particular issue regardless of the 'official' stance or the stated position that is acceptable to everyone.

That said - Do you all really think its a good idea to be banning someone with whom you disagree? I have read this and other threads thoroughly and I do not see the justification in censorship here - nor at any other time to tell you the truth, which is what we are all hopfully striving for not just here but in other places as well. Censoring people is what 'they' do so it shouldn't be something that 'we' do.

My advice FWIW........reinstate the OP and discontinue the practice. It doesn't matter what another person says anyway. If offense is taken - look the other way. For myself, if a guy sitting nearby decides to lay a fart I just get up and walk away.........end of story.

PS I just saw the 'solution' provided by Mr Q. If people here are in agreement with this idea then I have a suggestion. Pack up and go home. Any forum that would hold to such a policy isn't worth the time or effort - period. It smacks of the same tactics in use by the 'powers that be' whom we are supposedly battling against."


So Phil responded:

"Ugo,

It's really none of your business how this forum is run, nor what we allow and don't allow. Seriously, none of your business. And a banned person is not going to dictate terms, rules, or any other things on this forum (link to this site). If you don't like something about our forums, go here, its a no plane forum for people such as yourself.

Sorry Charlie! "

.

Then that's when I remembered I did set up an account here, totally forgetting about the forum that was on this site.


There's no conspiracy on my part. Im not a shill. Yeah I even used the word "disinfo" but that was all trying to be diplomatic and not a total No Plane homer so I could get banned from a site that at the time I was thinking was the only true refuge left for 9/11 truth.


If you look at my other threads, I did research confirming the fact of how low the numbers are in the SSDI. Only 73 names, and only FOUR victims among planes are listed in SSDI and Victim Comp Fund.

And earlier today I did looking up numbers in the Victim Comp Fund and only 59 total names of the Victim Comp Fund are listed in the SSDI.


I'm not hear to create deception. I have no agenda. I make suggestions along the 100% line as a preventive measure of shills, not to shill.
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Unread postby ATTC on Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:04 am

Speaking of said research.

Again compiled this over a couple hours today


http://old.911digitalarchive.org/objects/3.pdf

1. Daniel Afflitto
2. Shabbir Ahmed
3. Richard Allen
4. Melissa R Barnes
5. William Bernstein
6. Carrie Blagburn
7. Donna M Bowen
8. Keith Burns
9. William E. Caswell
10. Robert J Caufield
11. Gerard Coppola
12. Danny Correa
13. Joyce R Cummings
14. Thomas Damaskinos
15. Clinton Davis
16. Dorothy A De araujo
17. Patrick Dunn
18. Sadie Ette
19. Jamie L Fallon
20. Robert Fazio
21. Sean B Fegan
22. Marcia Galarza
23. Brenda Gibson
24. Evan H Gillette
25. Michael E Gould
26. Ian Gray
27. Robert Hepburn
28. Erik H Isbrandtsen
29. Paul Keating
30. Bojan Kostic
31. William D Lake
32. Hyun J Lee
33. Arnold A Lim
34. Paul Lisson
35. Michael P. Martin * Michael Gerard Martin is real guy who died. Just added to help case
36. Kaaria W Mbaya
37. Wesley Mercer
38. Corey P Miller
39. Robert Murphy
40. Laurie Neira
41. Vinod K Parakat
42. Robert Pattison
43. Richard A Pearlman
44. Joshua Poptean
45. Rhonda Rasmussen
46. Kenneth F Rice
47. Venesha O Richards
48. Paul V Rizza
49. RIchard Rodriguez
50. Christina S Ryook
51. Marian Serva
52. Gary Shamay
53. Dan Shanower
54. Johanna L Sigmund
55. Greg H Smallwood
56. Cecil Ward
57. John White
58. Yin P Wong
59. John Yates

Only 59 out of 429 names listed(14.7%)

And only 4 alleged plane victims who are listed in SSDI and Victim Comp Fund

Laurie Neira (Flight 11)
Dorothy De Araujo, (Flight 175)
William Caswell (Flight 77)
Ian Gray (Flight 77)


With such low numbers there should be no doubt that it's the same percentage of absence among the entire 2600+ victims of the WTC.


So we're talking only hundreds of deaths to the theory of zero.

So at the very least they padded the death tolls an order of magnitude to make it that "new pearl harbor" and of course at worse the biggest lie of them all, perhaps zero outside of mere collateral damage.
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