Two or three things I learned about "David Angell"

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Two or three things I learned about "David Angell"

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I know there is a topic already open about David Angell (with lots of material contributed by many members), plus a number of interesting findings about this celeb 9/11 fake victim in many other relevant threads. But I need to find a place where to dump my work in progress about this character, because it is probably wiser to share it in its raw form -- than sit on it.

I will keep this thread closed for the time being -- not to prevent debate or criticism, but until some sort of meaningful discourse comes out of it. You are welcome to use private messaging or the chatbox to comment on specific things exposed here.

I suspect I will end up reusing here most of the material I already added to the other thread about David Angell. And I will end up repeating things already said there. I don't want to create redundancy, it's just that I might try to retell the same story in a different way or format in this thread. So bear with me.
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"That element isn't gone"

Here is a clip taken from the Frasier DVD extras. I consider it fairly explosive, for the clarity in which you can see the four people involved in it lying, repeating a script and failing at giving any plausibility to it. This video is dated just before the airing of the 200th episode of Frasier, in november 2001.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym5jZgsUo04

I suggest you watch this video a couple of times. Notice how deliberately Grammer says "that element of the show isn't gone" (considering that the entity behind the pen name is still around, is my interpretation, although one could take it as a hint that Angell is still alive). Also interesting is Peri Gilpin mentioning the "Lynn and David Angell Foundation" -- remember, we are in November 2001 -- and the need to be "protective of it".

But you probably have also noticed the three shots of "David Angell" visible in the clip. I was particularly intrigued by this one:

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An odd, monolithic neck; a classic "camouflage" shirt with black and white pattern, as common to many vicsims & impersonators: But this is not why this clip is strange. When CNN first announced that David Angell, TV writer and producer, had died on 9/11, they used this picture:

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From http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/no ... index.html

Ain't that weird? Same background, but not really; Same guy, although, with differences; Same lamp, except it is not exactly the same lamp; Same angle; Same spotlight: Different shirt.

* on a side note, the episode that aired right about at the same time as the interview above, before the 200th episode, contained this clip:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlDEoPVu29U

...if one wants to find this credible as the product of an ensemble of people at all shocked and moved by 9/11. To me, it feels more like an arrogant exhibition of the power of digital manipulation (the two figures are clearly walking on a green screen, while the rest of a scene is part of a model added later) in creating credible shocking (albeit funny) images -- right in a moment when everyone was in an hypnotic state ready to accept all images as real.
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Re: Two or three things I learned about "David Angell"

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The Cameo Appearance

As we all know, imagery and storytelling about David Angell are extremely limited, especially considering that the guy was allegedly a respected Hollywood writer and producer, and there should have been dozens of ego-maniacs willing to share material and anecdotes about this american hero, if only to shine off his reflected light.

In the last few years a few clips of him have surfaced, however, and hopefully I will post them all in this thread.
But first, I need to cover the infamous appearance of Angell, Casey and Lee on Cheers -- a show that allegedly the trio had been almost exclusively producing, and often writing for, before moving to their own first created show, Wings.

Wings in fact started airing not long after this cameo appearance, supposedly intended as an homage to the trio taking leave from Cheers.
These clips come from the episode "Please mr Postman", that aired February 2nd, 1989.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_LdVyaUwSQ

Now, we all know the eternal question: is it possible that, while being a fake victim on 9/11, Angell was indeed a real person? Whatever the answer, it is certain that clips such as these seem to lend credibility to the truthfulness of this character.

And yet, 1989 in Hollywood was not a bad year for special effects. The abyss, Back to the future II, some Indiana Jones, Star Trek V...

You can decide for yourself if the David Angell that you see here, with his slow-batting eyes and opened mouth, is real, or if it is really an actor (maybe one of the Cheers cast), or if possibly, you are seeing a made-up, morphed, special effect version where the artificial features of one David Angell are superimposed to some actor.
You can consider this timeline for reference ("1988: First photorealistic use of morphing effect in a feature film").
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"A man of few words"

As told in this post on the other thread, one of the key figures behind Frasier (alleged creature of "David Angell") was David Lloyd's son, Christopher Lloyd (today creator and producer of the show "Modern family").
Christopher Lloyd was the leading figure who produced and carried Frasier for seven seasons -- leaving in 2000 only to return for the last season of the show.

In the following segment we see Lloyd remembering David Angell. I haven't added comments except once where I couldn't resist.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqcRVtVwU-s
Clipped from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y64vQ3U_Qyo

I suggest you to watch this video quite closely, as I believe a lot of lying transpires through it. Lloyd clings to the "man of few words" device, in order to say the least things about a man whose characteristics have to be invented but cannot be improvised. Also take note of the moments when he touches his face, closes his eyes, changes the volume of the voice.

As to the detail of his parents leaving from the same airport at the same time as the Angells on 9/11, it just borders on the absurd and the ridiculous. I cannot even begin to imagine how many flights there are from Boston to LA in a day, and what were the odds for something like this to happen.

Yet if you want to add more ridiculous to this, imagine that the same morning, at the same time, at the same airport also big TV creative Seth MacFarlane (Family guy) was scheduled for departure, on flight 11. As we know, legend wants flight 11 to have been strangely not at full capacity. Maybe all the empty seats stand for those that the heavens decided to save at the last minute. Like MacFarlane, who we are told got to the airport 10 minutes too late, like in a darn old movie. 'Cause that's just how reality works. "Shit, I missed my flight 11! I am so mad! Oh, wait a minute..."

In the following video you can see MacFarlane doing his part in adding blatant lies to the pile. Including the detail that, while still at the airport waiting for the 11 o'clock flight for LA, he saw the second plane hit on TV, "and they announced what flight it was". Well we all know that didn't happen for sure. <_<


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwR1RWH-Hes

(In case you need another secondary connection between these asphyxiant characters, it is recalled on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuckles_B ... References)

To get back to our story, as noted elsewhere Christopher Lloyd's parents are David and Arline Lloyd, which of course is close enough to "David and Lynn" Angell. And on that subject, if anyone has any doubts on the disclosed relevance of David Lloyd in the whole Cheers -- Wings -- Frasier enterprise, here are 3 clips from the Cheers episode "Rich man, Wood man", that aired on February 19th, 1992:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcDCCNI1xqw

One final absurdity: while his mother's name is "Arline", according to his wickedpedia page, Christopher Lloyd's wife name is in fact "Arleen".

Lynn-Arline-Arleen: Where reality stops and fantasy begin in all this, I wonder?
I read here that the meaning of this name is supposed to be "pledge" or "promise". Hey, maybe that's what these men are really married to, their pledge.
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Re: Two or three things I learned about "David Angell"

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The Emmy appearance

In 1984, as we all know, "David Angell" was awarded an emmy for having written the Cheers episode "Old Flames".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0539821/

In this known clip, we indeed see someone receiving the award on that occasion as David Angell:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7G3-n48zGA

Incidentally that particular episode of Cheers, Old Flames, contains another couple of references to a side character named "Arlene" or "Arline", just like David Lloyd's wife (as reported on wickedpedia, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lloyd_%28writer%29).


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzNLXzwB2pw

So was it really "David Angell" to write that episode? You gotta wonder why Angell would not spend his talents paying homage to his own wife, Lynn, rather than Lloyd's. Especially considering that nobody from the Lloyd side or elsewhere ever mentioned the two families being particularly close, despite finding themselves in the same airport at the same time, early on the morning of 9/11.

In all honesty, it is facing little silly oddities like this one, that I find the idea that it was Lloyd who was using "David Angell" as a pen name all along much more appealing. <_<

As to the appearance at the Emmys -- that's anybody's guess. If it is not a faked clip, it could be any impersonator or even Lloyd himself with a fake beard and rug, for all we know.
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The "Flight 11" coincidence

Of all the many references to 9/11 on the show Frasier that seem to indicate foreknowledge, the most outrageus one is certainly the infamous reference to Flight 11.

The clip below comes from the Frasier episode "Odd Man Out" that aired on May 27, 1997, written by Suzanne Martin as the final episode of season 4 -- an episode that contains a number of other odd situations and references... so much that one wonders to whom is really referred the expression "Odd man out".


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kZb5xRRQn0

Clearly, it is not just the matter of mentioning on the show (without any relation to the plot and hence absolutely with no need to do it, all the contrary creating an unprofessional distracting effect) the number of a plane that will allegedly be part of the 9/11 staged event; or the strange seriousness and gravity by which the cast listens to the recorded message: it is the largely incredible coincidence that "David Angell", creator of the same show, and his wife "Lynn" will be on that imaginary flight 11 -- will "die" on it. Frankly that's just too much to take.

Whoever wants to believe that this can be dismissed as a "coincidence" is welcome to do it. Sure, it equates to, say, having mentioned in a movie a plane called "Enola Gay" before Hiroshima, but one can decide to believe anything. If after watching this clip, one re-watches the clip I first posted in this thread, it becomes increasingly obvious, I think, the strangeness of having this "flight 11" mentioned on the same set, with the same people present, with almost equal gravity -- and yet with so different intents.
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Obsession 11

"My number is 11"
~ Aleister Crowley, The Book of Law

"Frasier actor Kelsey Grammer has purchased a $6.5 million four-bedroom apartment for his new mistress, without the knowledge of his soon-to-be-ex-wife Camille, the New York Post reported. The new apartment is at 100 11th Avenue."
~ TheRealDeal.com

Since when we started looking into media fakery, not even necessarily in connection to 9/11, the number 11 has been popping out all over the place. It is certain not a coincidence or a game that this number is peppered through all the faked stories used as a psychological/emotional/magical leverage against the people.
Of course, there must be some idiotic numerological reason here -- and I'm saying "idiotic" in the sense that it appears to be infantile, shortsighted, specious: we can tell, since we have been given the destiny to sieve through all these scraps of deceit and propaganda.

The following clips come from episodes of Cheers and Frasier (with one notable exception at the end). They are all dated to before 9/11, and I think demonstrate how in these sinister Hollywood circles this obsession is real and not an accident.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFa30_o0PJA

Anyone is welcome to put together a similar collection of clips featuring any other number. Good luck with it. :P
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