9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread post by RoyBean » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:00 am

nonhocapito wrote: RoyBean, you are perfectly right. I don't know why this went past us. "Where are the 9/11 Victims?" returns no results. Either this is a completely made up video title, meant to obscure the "vicsims" name and the cascade of google results it would bring with it, or there was a video by that title, which has been long removed. Either way, an element of manipulation.
I wasn't sure (lol - we needed a lurker to link us there!)...then all of a sudden it's in the YT search results! What's that all about? Still not on any google web searches though. The video is weak to me anyway but glad to see Simon's video and others in the related section.
As to this story bringing readers to the fakery idea, I imagine this to be a calculated risk, even if these new stories about 9/11 victims are part of a ploy to discredid the research. As to them being the deliberate effect of some ongoing battle, it is a very flimsy possibility. But there's nothing wrong with hope. I do hope :)
Maybe flimsy, but you're right, nothing wrong with hope :) sure I still think it's possibly a way for them to slam/discredit some part of this research to gain a couple of points, but still seems to me not worth the risk of drawing attention to these findings.

Hey can you or the other admins find out if there was any spike in readership since the article was posted? I guess from direct google search links? Including septemberclues.info, Or maybe even Simon's youtube vid? Not sure if you can really determine much by looking at the view logs or not... I'm just curious :)

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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread post by nonhocapito » Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:57 pm

RoyBean wrote:I wasn't sure (lol - we needed a lurker to link us there!)...then all of a sudden it's in the YT search results! What's that all about? Still not on any google web searches though. The video is weak to me anyway but glad to see Simon's video and others in the related section.
Is it on Youtube? Not for me, I find no videos by that name :blink: can you post a direct link?
RoyBean wrote:Hey can you or the other admins find out if there was any spike in readership since the article was posted? I guess from direct google search links? Including septemberclues.info, Or maybe even Simon's youtube vid? Not sure if you can really determine much by looking at the view logs or not... I'm just curious :)
We have a very essential statistic system that gives us an idea of the recent activity. The Space Shuttle thread and this thread are the most popular, but I can't tell if there was a spike related to one story or the other. I can tell that there was a spike in the visits to the forum in general, and a pretty significant one (almost 10,000 more pages read last week, compared to the previous week):

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which is pretty good. B)

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Unread post by simonshack » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:59 pm

nonhocapito wrote:
Is it on Youtube? Not for me, I find no videos by that name :blink: can you post a direct link?

We have a very essential statistic system that gives us an idea of the recent activity. The Space Shuttle thread and this thread are the most popular, but I can't tell if there was a spike related to one story or the other. I can tell that there was a spike in the visits to the forum in general, and a pretty significant one (almost 10,000 more pages read last week, compared to the previous week):

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which is pretty good. B)
Good indeed! :)

The video you asked for, Nonho - "Where are the 9/11 Victims", by Chris Kendall, is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjlkF9DlImI

I like it. I once talked with Chris over Skype for hours, several months ago.

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Let me also just 'plug' this article again, in my opinion the best ever written by an independent journalist about the SSDI subject - and about the September Clues research in general in fact... Ersun interviewed me at length over Skype - and also spent considerable time looking into the SSDI himself:

9/11 Reflections Part 2: Interview with Simon Shack of September Clues
by Ersun Warncke of SALEM NEWS (Oregon):
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/sept ... ons-ew.php

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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread post by RoyBean » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:42 am

nonhocapito wrote:
RoyBean wrote:I wasn't sure (lol - we needed a lurker to link us there!)...then all of a sudden it's in the YT search results! What's that all about? Still not on any google web searches though. The video is weak to me anyway but glad to see Simon's video and others in the related section.
Is it on Youtube? Not for me, I find no videos by that name :blink: can you post a direct link?
Simon reposted it I see... a couple of days ago it wasn't in any search results but now it is
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ms%22&aq=f

Only thing I can think of was maybe it's some youtube thing where a video title doesn't show up in results until it gets a certain amount of views (500?), but that doesn't seem to be the case

search: "Ex Murdoch Aide Rebekah Brooks Arrested (17-Jul-11)(POLITICS, MEDIA & SOCIETY series)"

only 11 views but it's there

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Unread post by simonshack » Mon Jul 18, 2011 5:21 pm

reel.deal wrote:
brianv wrote: .
its 'Cantor-Fitz's' "Edward (Ted) H. Luckett", no ? Ok then its...
Luckett of Cantor-fitz??? Nope - no Luckett listed here: <_<
http://www.cantorfamilies.com/cantor/js ... .jsp?LNL=L

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Unread post by simonshack » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:55 pm

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Omg... :o


Cantor Fitzgerald has less than 380 victims listed...

...ON THEIR OWN OFFICIAL MEMORIAL! http://www.cantorfamilies.com/cantor/js ... .jsp?LNL=A

Yet every single news article of this last decade says that they lost 658 people in the WTC towers!


WHO IS GOING TO CONTACT THIS CHAP AND ASK HIM WHAT THE REAL DEAL IS WITH THAT?
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How simple would that be, America? Are you all going to wake up soon?

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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:29 pm

No, Simon! I refuse to wake up!

I believe that a giant corporation simply "messed up" their numbers because the terrorist attack spun them into a ten-year post-traumatic "confusion" that causes them to miscalculate how many of their employees died.

Every time they think of any topic remotely related to death, dying, terror, war, the President, America, the American flag, Arabic people, airplanes, transportation in general, money, life, meaning or high profile Hollywood movies their mathematical faculties freeze up and soon they're subtracting, adding and long dividing the total count of deaths into multiple conflicting figures.

It's a simple case of 9/11 PTSD - wherein nobody involved can think of any answers to simple questions if it has anything to do with the suspicious videos and web sites relating to fake victims -- er, I mean vicsims -- er, I mean victims. Give 'em a break, would you, you conspiracy theorist?!

(Oh, by the way, I think Allianz needs to give Cantor and the other "former WTC occupants" more money. They just discovered the 3,000-victim discrepancy and it's time for the insurance to cough it up. Wouldn't you agree?)

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Unread post by SmokingGunII » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:34 am

Yes, the Cantor Memorial site is a complete joke.

When I did some research on the UK vicsims a few years back I discovered that the following people worked for CF:

Jeremy Mark Carrington (not on memorial)
Suria Clarke (not on memorial)
Gavin Anthony Cushny (not on memorial)
Kevin Dennis (not on memorial - also included in Australia's "death toll")
Robert Eaton (not on memorial)
Andrew Clive Gilbert (not on memorial)
Timothy Paul Gilbert - Andrew's brother ;) (not on memorial)
Christopher Jones (not on memorial)
Robin Blair Larkey (not on memorial)
Mark Ludvigsen (not on memorial)
Simon Percy Maddison (not on memorial)
Nigel Bruce Thompson (not on memorial)
Martin Wortley (not on memorial)

In fact, the only ones listed are:
Ronald Lawrence Gilligan
Hashmukh Parmar
Vincent Wells
Neil Robin Wright

4 out of 17.


Jeremy Mark Carrington is a mysterious omission. Carrington was, apparently a TV star in the US prior to his death, starring in a TIME WARNER TV series entitled "Single in the Hamptons" (an upmarket suburb of NY where people such as Giuliani reside).

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However, despite finding this promo for the series, I have never found any footage or details of this show online. Yes, you can find footage of "Series 2" but none of the original. Strangely, Carrington, despite his high billing in the promo, is not listed in the cast at IMDB.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0367411/

There are other reasons why we should expect Cantor to acknowledge his death. In 2005, his Father arranged a concert for his charitable foundation in Central Park, in which he thanks CF for their assistance in publicising the event.

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So, if they were aware of Mr Carrington's death, to the point that they would invest money in supporting a charitable cause, how on earth does he not merit a place on their memorial? Words fail me. :P

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Unread post by pov603 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:06 pm

Is the disparity in numbers on memorials and 'official' reports different because there may be instances of 'Dead Peasants Insurance' scams going on?
With the SSDI list, which i only found out about through this forum and may actually list someone of the same name and age that i knew many years ago so would seem to work, is there a formality to follow before it can be 'credited' with the deceased?
IE would there have to be a missing persons report officially logged with either the resident police force or the police force in place where an 'incident' has occurred such that if you lived in NJ but worked in NY you would have to make two reports?
Then would there need to be forensic data such as a body/body part/blood/dna/ID/belongings etc or in the absence a period of time after which an official Death Certificate is issued by the relevant authorities?
Is it up to them then to notify the SSDI or is it down to the next of kin?
Sorry to be asking questions rather than answering anything but is someone is resident in the US, preferably NJ or NY maybe they can throw some light on the matter.

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Unread post by antipodean » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:27 pm

With the sad recent death of a family friend I inadvertantly learn't how the Legacy memorial site actually works.

After we had placed our bereavement notice in the Daily Newspaper & attended the funeral, a friend of ours decided that she too wanted to write an obituary.
After googling our deceased freind's name, she clicked onto his Legacy site, & simply entered her tribute.
Included amongst the tributes, unbeknown to us was our own paid bereavement notice from the paper.
The paper simply automatically links it's bereavement tributes to the deceased person's Legacy site.

I then came across this search function whereby you type in someone's details, which then links to any bereavement notices placed in the 100's of affiliated newspapers.
http://www.legacy.com/NS/

So after getting a positive hit with our deceased friend, I randomly typed in 9/11 & 7/7 victims, the only positive hit was for David & Lynn Angell, linking to a September 14th 2001 obituary in a Los Angeles Newspaper.
The task of entering all the fake bereavement notices on Legacy, being a simple copy & paste job.

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Unread post by hoi.polloi » Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:17 pm

Wow - that's a pretty abysmal count for three-thousand supposed victims. One?

Are you sure you did the search properly?

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Unread post by nonhocapito » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:48 pm

hoi.polloi wrote:Wow - that's a pretty abysmal count for three-thousand supposed victims. One?

Are you sure you did the search properly?
I did find an obituary for another celebrity flight 11 victim, Sonia Puopolo:
http://www.legacy.com/ns/obitfinder/obi ... liateid=-1
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/boston ... pid=103529

But, for example, no Edelmiro Abad, no Joseph Agnello, no Robert Curatolo ...

not that I am surprised, there are no families, why there should be obituaries :D ?

Let's try vicsims with actors backing them up

Bradley James Fetchet: no obituaries
Judy Larocque: no obituaries...

lazy bastards... :lol:

obituaries search: http://www.legacy.com/ns/obitfinder/obi ... earch.aspx
(make sure you pick the correct time range)

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Unread post by antipodean » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:29 am

Interesting ! got an obituary hit for Garnet Ace Bailey, also in the Boston Globe.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/boston ... &pid=91307

Add that to Sonia Puopolo & David & Lynn Angell.
I can see a pattern starting to emerge, high profile vicsims who died on the planes leaving Logan with ties to the Boston area, have had the better back stopping.

Also I can remember a cheers episode where the cast are watching a Boston Bruins game (who Garnet Ace Bailey once played for) wonder if that was penned by the person behind the David Angell nom de plume.

Anyone fancy placing a comment in Garnet Ace Bailey's Legacy Memorial.

"Hey Ace we know that flight 175 never took off on 9/11, so where the fuck are you" ?

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Unread post by MuscleFour » Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:30 am

I wanted to reply to a post which is currently Locked, about MARIANNE SIMONE, who worked on the 104th floor of WTC1 for Cantor Fitzgerald.

The thread's entitled "Please remove my mothers picture" (by Lisa, June 22nd, 2011).

I think it may be a genuine request from her daughter, Mrs Lisa Cardinali...

http://manhattan.smugmug.com/2011MostRe ... 47_dFxDXDX
(Voices of Sept 11th Fourth Annual 'Always Remember Gala')

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... 46&sk=info
(Facebook page of Lisa Simone Cardinali)

http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/guestbo ... 320&page=4
(couple of messages from Lisa + several references to her in other msgs)

http://www.silive.com/september-11/inde ... imone.html
(Staten Island newspaper article about Marianne Simone)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuhhwQrLC8Y
(104th Floor WTC1 survivor, Mary Baldizzi escaped via lift)

...but who knows?

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Unread post by AmongTheThugs » Sun Aug 07, 2011 7:50 am

MuscleFour wrote:I wanted to reply to a post which is currently Locked, about MARIANNE SIMONE, who worked on the 104th floor of WTC1 for Cantor Fitzgerald.

The thread's entitled "Please remove my mothers picture" (by Lisa, June 22nd, 2011).

I think it may be a genuine request from her daughter, Mrs Lisa Cardinali...

http://manhattan.smugmug.com/2011MostRe ... 47_dFxDXDX
(Voices of Sept 11th Fourth Annual 'Always Remember Gala')

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... 46&sk=info
(Facebook page of Lisa Simone Cardinali)

http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/guestbo ... 320&page=4
(couple of messages from Lisa + several references to her in other msgs)

http://www.silive.com/september-11/inde ... imone.html
(Staten Island newspaper article about Marianne Simone)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuhhwQrLC8Y
(104th Floor WTC1 survivor, Mary Baldizzi escaped via lift)

...but who knows?

like freddy mercury once said: "another one bites the dust".

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