9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

The notion of 'thousands of victims' was crucial to generate universal public outrage. However, having 3000 angry families breathing down their necks was never part of the perps' demented plan. Our ongoing analyses and investigations suggest that NO one died on 9/11.

Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby Utah on Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:17 am

fbenario wrote:
Utah wrote:Why would TPTB bother doing any of these things? As I said, it's just too much trouble, with far too many loose ends and potential complications, including real family members, who could rear their heads at any time over many years. Much easier to do it with no real family members to kill because they wouldn't shut up about it at any price. Also, right now no murder charges for 9/11 direct victims can be brought against the perps. (Later deaths overseas in wars are a different question of course.)

By the way, I'm glad you saw that potentially real records of a Chris Inglassia from your past are not evidence of a Chris Ingrassia vicsim.


Oops on the typo. Don't hate me. The high school wrestling records do say 'Chris Ingrassia'. However, his college football records, at a glance, do not check out.

Either way, this vicsim does have 'real family members' who own a large, real multi-generational construction company in New Jersey (even if they did photoshop Chris into their family pictures and no such person ever existed). Regardless, it makes sense that the family would be participants in the scam. Did I not make it clear before that I agree, no murders makes more sense?

The family, and their construction business is real. This isn't one just one half-decent nobody actor like Bob "truther tears" McIlvaine- like the few vicsims that have any 'family' at all usually get. So I think this is a somewhat unusual case, and worth a closer look.

Is it so outrageous to speculate that a mobster would 'pretend murder' himself to make a few million for the family? Don't mobsters sometimes 'lay low' or 'take a vacation' as part of the normal career path?

I really have no idea if vicsim Chris was ever a real person, or a name made up by the Ingrassia family. But with a big, publicly visible family, inserting a fake sibling into your family history seems just as hard to pull off as disappearing a real family member.

Interestingly, his legacy guestbook has 90 tribute entries, many more realistic-sounding (than a normal vicsim tribute), and a few rather bizarre entries (more traditional vicsim tribute style- first person/odd). Strangely,though, no more photos (not even photoshop clones!) See for yourself:http://www.legacy.com/guestbooks/guestbook.aspx?n=christopher-ingrassia&pid=137746
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby reichstag fireman on Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:55 am

Just an observation about Ingrassia Construction Company Inc. (founded 1928).

Current major projects include:

Piscataway Township High School Middlesex County
Raritan Valley Community College Somerset County
NJ Fire Department Essex County Fire House Renovation
NJ State Police Mercer County Codis Lab Renovations

Previous Clients include:

Higher Education
Montclair State College - Infirmary Addition
Passaic County - Passaic County Community College Alteration, Paterson
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey - New Brunswick Campuses
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey - Newark Campus
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey - Piscataway Campuses
Somerset County - New West Building Raritan Valley Community College, Branchburg
State of Pennsylvania - East Stroudsburg University - New Kemp Library

Elementary and Secondary Education
Belvidere - High School and Oxford St. Elementary
Berkeley Heights - Hamilton Terrace Elementary School
Bloomfield - Middle School Classroom & Library Additions
Branchburg - Old York Elementary Renovations
Cliffwood Beach - Cliffwood Beach Elementary School
East Orange - Community Day Nursery School
Florham Park - Brooklake Elementary School & Briarwood E.S. Additions
Garwood - Lincoln, Franklin & Washington Schools Addition& Alteration
Liberty Corner - Liberty Corner Elementary School Addition & Alteration
Linden - School # 4 Addition
Livingston - Livingston High School Additions & Alterations
Lopatcong - New Lopatcong Middle School
Madison Township - Cheesquake Elementary, Schirra School, & Vorhees School Addition.
Middlesex - Von E. Mauger Middle School Additions
Montclair - Mt. Hebron School Addition & Alteration
Morris Plains - Mountain Way Elementary School & Speedway Ave. School Additions
Newark - Harriet Tubman, S. 17th St., Speedway Ave.,Garfield,Sussex Ave.,14th Ave,Ann.Boylan..Madision Jr. H.S., East Side High School
North Brunswick - Linwood Middle School Additions and Alterations
Old Tappan - Northern Valley Regional High School Additions
Paterson - Stabilization & Demolition Old School No. 2
Scotch Plains - La Grande Elementary School Alteration
Secaucus - Hubert St. Elementary School Addition
South Brunswick - South Brunswick High School Additions & Alterations
Summit - Jefferson School & Roosevelt Elementary School Additions
Union County - Vo-Tech High School, New Performing Arts Academy
Union Township, Hunterdon County - New Elementary School
Wayne - Valley Road Elementary School Additions
West Orange - Roosevelt Junior H.S. Add. & Alt. & Fairmont Elementary School
Westfield - Woodrow Wilson Elementary School Addition
Whippany Park - High School Additions & Alterations

Hospitals
Bergen Pines Hospital - Paramus, NJ
John E. Runnells Hospital - Berkely Heights, NJ
Morris County Hospital - Morris Plains, NJ
V.A. Medical Center - East Orange, NJ

Other Public Facilities
Bergen County - New Homeless Shelter - Hackensack, NJ
Essex County - County Jail Annex - Caldwell, NJ
Essex County Dept. of Parks - Addition to South Mountain Arena - West Orange, NJ
Irvington, New Jersey - Free Public Library
Morris County - Youth Center - Morris Plains, NJ
N.J. Department of Transportation - Roselle Park Railroad Station
N.J. Turnpike Authority - Thomas A. Edison Service Restaurant
Passiac Valley Sewerage Commission - Extension of Administration Building
Port Authority of N.Y. and N.J. - Newark International Airport - Switch House
State of New Jersey - Rahway State Prision Wing #2 & Sally Port Gates
State of New Jersey - Commision of the Blind, Newark, NJ Alteration
State of New Jersey - School for Developmentally Disabled Children, Newark, NJ Alteration
Township of Union, Union County, NJ - Free Public Library, Civic Center & Municipal Garage
Union County - Mattano Park Facilities - Elizabeth, NJ
Union County - Juvenile Detention Center - Elizabeth, NJ
U.S. Army - Armament, Research, Development & Engineer Center Addition - Dover, NJ
U.S. Postal Service - New Livingston Main Post Office - Livingstion, NJ
Towship of West Orange, New Jersey - New Police Facilities



They's in bed with da gummint.

And as that old Italian saying has it.. "Se dormi con i cani, si prendono le pulci."
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby simonshack on Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:44 am

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In my last post (see above) I forgot to mention that, up until October 2011,
the VOICES OF SEPTEMBER had no tribute page for Honor Elizabeth Wainio:

See page 45 of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=246&start=660

Then, in January 2012, I checked again and - LO AND BEHOLD - there she was! <_<

See page 50 of this thread: viewtopic.php?p=2364172#p2364172

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And not a word of thanks has been forthcoming from the VOICES staff ! :angry: :rolleyes:
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby XQB on Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:19 am

simonshack wrote:
Utah wrote:
I find it extremely hard to believe that the perps are fudging obscure high school wrestling records from the early 90's, just to backstop a phony victim of relatively little importance. Not impossible, just unlikely.


Dear Utah,

I find it extremely hard to believe that NOT ONE of Christopher Ingrassia's friends and relatives have posted a Guest Book comment here - in over 10 years!!! : http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 1259916361

As you can see, it just says: NO GUEST BOOK ENTRIES FOUND

To be sure, the "VOICES OF SEPTEMBER 11" site is the official organization responsible for collecting info on the 9/11 victims for the "9/11 MEMORIAL AND MUSEUM" of Ground Zero, FFS!

Today, I typed an entry to that guest book - but they just won't publish it! > http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 1259916361

My entry still does not appear there - although I wrote a quite civil and articulate tribute. Try it out for yourself!


It looks like the Voices crooks have indeed approved your sappy tribute post. Maybe the secret password is "infectious"? LOL!
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby SmokingGunII on Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:11 pm

simonshack wrote:*


THE GOLDSTEIN GIRLS' MUSICAL CHAIRS




Yes, Simon, nearly 11 years later and still the Goldstein family choose to have a photograph of their daughter with a red stamp on it! ;)

Love the Beekman update. In this version, despite the same lighting, head angle, expression and discolouration of the forehead, the "fauxtoshopper" couldn't be bothered to retain the more difficult whisps of hair at the top of the head and behind the right ear! :lol: :D :P
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby simonshack on Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:37 pm

XQB wrote:
simonshack wrote:
Today, I typed an entry to that guest book - but they just won't publish it! > http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 1259916361

My entry still does not appear there - although I wrote a quite civil and articulate tribute. Try it out for yourself!


It looks like the Voices crooks have indeed approved your sappy tribute post. Maybe the secret password is "infectious"?
LOL!


WOW! Now, how cool is that? :lol: http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/ ... 1259916361

Well, ladies & gents, I can now proudly state that I am the only person on this planet who has cared to post a loving tribute to "Christopher Ingrassia" on the Official VOICES OF SEPTEMBER 11 memorial - linked to the Ground Zero Memorial and Museum !


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On a more serious note - what does this tell us? If anyone (like yours truly) can post a tribute on the VOICES website - why has NONE of Christopher Ingrassia's loved ones/friends/co-workers done so - in almost 11 years??? May I suggest that more Cluesforum members choose their own favorite 9/11 vicsims and post their own creative tributes all over the phony VOICES 9/11 memorial? Isn't it high time to have some fun with these clowns? Some may object that this would be a futile exercise - but those goons have played with us for way too long now. If you are game, please notify here the tributes that you are able to post on VOICES - the funniest one will win a September Clues T-shirt.

I'm serious! :)
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby AngellDust on Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:49 pm

simonshack wrote:*
In my last post (see above) I forgot to mention that, up until October 2011,
the VOICES OF SEPTEMBER had no tribute page for Honor Elizabeth Wainio:

See page 45 of this thread: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... &start=660

Then, in January 2012, I checked again and - LO AND BEHOLD - there she was! <_<

See page 50 of this thread: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p2364172

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And not a word of thanks has been forthcoming from the VOICES staff ! :angry: :rolleyes:


It's a shame that 10 years later, they couldn't even get Wainio's place of residence correct. "Watching, NJ" should be "Watchung, NJ" (Somerset County). Anyone from New Jersey would know the difference as there's a mountain range with the same name.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby whatsgoingon on Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:26 pm

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Re: Heartfelt 9/11 Memorial Tributes

Unread postby reel.deal on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:22 pm

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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby simonshack on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:38 pm

whatsgoingon wrote:
Anyone know of any attempt to obtain birth certificates of say 500-1000 of these VicSims?


Dear Whatsgoingon,

Birth certificates? I don't know of any. But if you ask me about death certificates, the answer is:

Yes.

"Out of 2,970 9/11 victims listed, only 446 appear in the Social Security death index.
Of those only 249 have a confirmed death certificate on file."


http://www.salem-news.com/articles/sept ... ons-ew.php


...and

"Why are 3,000 9/11 victims missing from federal death registry?"
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/j ... oes-herep/
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Re: 9/11

Unread postby reel.deal on Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:38 pm

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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby XQB on Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:56 am

I must have browsed through at least two dozen vicsims in the "W" section of Fetchet's perp Voices site. None had their guestbook signed, and only a handful had "tributes" from vicsim family members.

Meet Vicsim James "Jimmy" Waring, who gets one of the lamest tributes courtesy of his 9 year old sim son Jamie:

http://voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memo ... 1191999707

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Also be sure to checkout the "tributes" from Jame's two sim daughters, Jessica and Maria. Both of their fake tributes ramble on about what a great, funny father James was, how he took them to 13 Yankees games (even though he was a White Sox fan and that embarrassed them), yada yada guardian angel, yada yada.... It's actually quite comical!
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby simonshack on Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:48 pm

Dear XQB,

Here's what I bumped into while casually surfing the "W" vicsims today ... (so thanks for the tip).

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Apparently, Alison Marie Wildman loved pets.

So there's a Charity Foundation in her name - "no less than 35% of which annual income is used to support the welfare of animals".

The asset amount of the Alison Marie Wildman Foundation is : $ 817.346
http://non-profit-organizations.findthe ... nnsylvania

That should buy a pretty useful amount of dog and cat food! <_<
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby SmokingGunII on Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:14 pm

Here's a post I made in 2009 featuring one of my all time favourite "tributes"....


Whilst we're in the Simms section, this poor couple deserve our attention.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /1441.html

George W. Simmons & Diane Simmons (both ex-Xerox employees) were on AA77 which her tributee, Kim, conveniently reminds us hit the Pentagon. ;)

However, Benny Hill lookalike, George has an even better tribute from a guy that bought a car off him in 1993. This is what he had to say about George:

"This man was no phony, He was someone you just had to like. I will always treasure the fact that I met this man. God watch over his soul for he was one of the good ones."

Must have been a great car.


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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Unread postby brianv on Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:33 pm

reel.deal wrote:http://www.voicesofseptember11.org/dev/memorial_content.php?idbio=159&idcontent=957507167

Image :huh:

:o


I'd have never noticed the fingertips from the hug-me clone!
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