Russian Probe “Phobos-Grunt” has some problems

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“Phobos-Grunt” fails to hit target orbit

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Russian interplanetary probe “Phobos-Grunt” failed to settle into required orbit. According to the Roscosmos head Vladimir Popovkin, an emergency situation occurred when the station was to enter its flight path to Mars. The reason for the failure lies in the propulsion system, which should have ensured the movement of "Phobos-Grunt" after its separation from the launcher.

Popovkin said that a likely scenario had been foreseen ( :lol: ). The station made it to support orbit, communication with it is being maintained.

Experts now have three days to work out a new flight programme for Phobos-Grunt".

The probe was successfully launched on Tuesday night from the Baikonur Cosmodrome. The purpose of the mission is to collect samples from Mars’ moon – Phobos.

(TASS)
Source http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/11/09/60080134.html


Mission Web Site:
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/phobos_grunt.html

Mission Movie (in Russian):

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0cUvK0Dgy8
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A serious problem on Phobos-Grunt

It looks like something has gone wrong with Phobos-Grunt. According to amateur astronomers, the spacecraft's orbit has not changed from before to after the first of two planned burns that would have sent Phobos-Grunt from Earth orbit to an interplanetary trajectory. More worrying is the report that they are seeing two objects in that orbit instead of one. Also, on the official Phobos-Grunt website, Anton Ledkov states that they are not receiving telemetry from the spacecraft ("ЧП, нет телеметрии"). The story is developing. I'll update this post when (if?) I find out more information.
Source: http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00003251/
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That movie Apollo 18 has people confused as to whether it's real or not. Seriously, it reminds me of when Blair Witch Project came out and people thought that was a documentary also. I don't know where to put this thought. I imagine if you do studies on that movie you would have to get into aliens real our ancestors? and no one wants to get into the origin of man and reality but still...that movie is creating a response of confusion.
I'll be honest I haven't watched it (can't sit through an hour and a half of any movie) but it can be easily downloaded and I see clips that look like the moon landing clips. I mean the same quality it's all so generic.
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^ I haven't seen it either but I imagine it was meant to be confusing.
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It turns out that Phobos in Greek mythology is the personification of horror, so here we go again with the perps throwing their religion right in our face.

Phobos (mythology):
Phobos (Ancient Greek Φόβος, pronounced [pʰóbos], meaning "fear" or "terror") is the personification of horror in Greek mythology. He is the offspring of Ares and Aphrodite. He was known for accompanying Ares into battle along with his brother, Deimos, the goddess Enyo, and his father’s attendants. Timor is his Roman equivalent. Considering the accounts in Greek mythology, Phobos is more of a personification of the fear brought by war and does not appear as an actual character in any mythology
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(mythology)


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Phobos-Grunt > Thug Ops Born
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Dcopymope wrote: Phobos (mythology):Phobos is more of a personification of the fear brought by war and does not appear as an actual character in any mythology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(mythology)
Also, we all know what 'grunt' means - but does everyone know that, in military jargon it means...
3. Slang : An infantryman in the U.S. military, especially in the Vietnam War: "They were called grunts....They were the infantrymen, the foot soldiers of the war" (Bernard Edelman).
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/grunt
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simonshack wrote:
Dcopymope wrote: Phobos (mythology):Phobos is more of a personification of the fear brought by war and does not appear as an actual character in any mythology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(mythology)
Also, we all know what 'grunt' means - but does everyone know that, in military jargon it means...
3. Slang : An infantryman in the U.S. military, especially in the Vietnam War: "They were called grunts....They were the infantrymen, the foot soldiers of the war" (Bernard Edelman).
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/grunt
So could it be possible that Phobus Grunt is a message from the perps of their plan to start a major war very soon? Since this is what Phobus Grunt means, this may not have anything to do with a space psy op but more to do with a war.
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THE PHOBOS GRUNT is upon us - with its load of toxic fuel! :o



"Failed Mars Probe To Crash Back To Earth" http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16131686

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(According to NASA, the Phobos-Grunt looks like this):
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http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/multimedia/ ... M_ID=12923

Alternate link in case NASA blocks loading
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The first picture is what it looked like wrapped under NASA's Christmas tree. The second picture depicts the probe after being opened, greased with egg nog and 3D-scanned into a computer.

The third picture (depicted by myself and not NASA) is what scientists believe will happen next:

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After reading Dave McGowan's series on the Apollo hoax, I am reminded of his questions about escaping the earth's gravity field every time I hear about one of these satellites. If gravity is what keeps the moon tethered to earth, how is it that any of these tiny probes can propel themselves effortlessly through space indefinitely and be unaffected by all these gravitational attractions? I understand the lack of resistance in a vacuum, but the idea of escaping the earth's gravitational pull when the moon can't doesn't square somehow.
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hoi.polloi wrote:The first picture is what it looked like wrapped under NASA's Christmas tree. The second picture depicts the probe after being opened, greased with egg nog and 3D-scanned into a computer.

The third picture (depicted by myself and not NASA) is what scientists believe will happen next:

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And guess what happened when on of those 'spheres' dropped off recently?
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Phobos-Grunt heading towards Earth Rather Than Mars’ Moon ‘cause of antisatellite weapon; Russian Official
Phobos-Grunt, which took about five years to build and cost $160 million at current exchange rates, which faced numerous problems at the time of its launch, is heading towards earth inspite of Msrs for which it was originally intended. Russian officials have claimed that cause of its loss was an unidentified attack from some antisatellite weapon, the director of Russia’s space agency said in an interview published Tuesday. Though the attackers were not named yet he claimed that mission was hit while it was away from the vision of Russia. It was originally destined to collect soil sample from Mars on a two and half years journey.
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When the 13-ton Phobos-Grunt breaks up in the atmosphere, debris could potentially fall anywhere along a vast stretch of the Earth’s surface that includes the cities of New York, London and Tokyo which means embarrassment is on its way for for Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, which has presided over a series of rocket and satellite failures this year. NASA acknowledged that it was tracking the space probe and it help Russian Space Agency in its efforts to recover lost chain of connection with Phobos and that it is likely to fall in the next week. “Predictions of re-entry date, time and location can change significantly due to many changing factors, such as solar weather and orientation of the spacecraft. These predictions become more accurate as the event approaches.”

Mr. Popovkin’s remarks to the newspaper Izvestia were the first high-level suggestion of nefarious interference. A retired commander of Russia’s missile warning system had speculated in November that strong radar signals from installations in Alaska might have damaged the spacecraft “We don’t want to accuse anybody, but there are very powerful devices that can influence spacecraft now. The possibility they were used cannot be ruled out.” He also added that “If we had not sent it to Mars in 2011, we would have had to throw it away.”

The interview came at a time of rising anti-Americanism in Russian politics, and may have been intended mostly for a domestic audience. Russian officials often drop hints of foreign meddling, for example in stirring the recent street protests in Moscow; such comments are usually taken to mean the United States.

Mr. Popovkin did not directly implicate the United States in the interview. But he said “the frequent failure of our space launches, which occur at a time when they are flying over the part of Earth not visible from Russia, where we do not see the spacecraft and do not receive telemetric information, are not clear to us,” an apparent reference to the Americas.
http://usatrends.org/phobos-grunt-headi ... -official/
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I@N wrote:But he said “the frequent failure of our space launches, which occur at a time when they are flying over the part of Earth not visible from Russia, where we do not see the spacecraft and do not receive telemetric information, are not clear to us,” an apparent reference to the Americas.
http://usatrends.org/phobos-grunt-headi ... -official/

Not that apparent.

Russia lost most of ocean ships that provided communications with satellites and space crafts.

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It was necessary to "see" all of the sky. Without that, Roscosmos became half-blind.
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"is heading towards earth inspite of Msrs" :lol:

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