Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby CitronBleu on Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:18 pm

In any case, can any one please explain the presence of a herd of cows on a rocket launch site?

Here is a comment I found posted on a web forum from user "Gurzang" attempting to explain the presence of the cows in the rocket video as staged for the purpose of making the footage appear more believable:

Those cows were made to run so that we could be sure the landing was real and not just the launching played in reverse. Smart move.
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby lux on Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:41 pm

Just taking another look at this ...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHktxfeKEx8

... some questions come to mind.

- Why does the rocket exhaust only produce smoke when it is near the ground (both takeoff and landing)?
Are we supposed to believe that it is being launched from a dirt surface and the smoke is from the soil and grass burning?

- I see no support structures for the rocket so how is it kept from toppling over by the wind before launch?
Did they just balance it there and hope a strong gust of wind wouldn't come along and knock over their multi-million dollar rocket?

- Why is a portion of the flame exhaust being blown to the right (as by the wind) but another portion is not?
That blown portion of the exhaust (watch it in full screen mode) looks more like a weak flame thrower than a rocket exhaust. What possible thrust could be contributed by a flame so weak that it is being blown aside by the wind?

- Isn't it convenient that the cows remain below the horizon and the rocket remains above the horizon so those 2 element of the video composite never converge? (a rhetorical question)
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby CitronBleu on Sat Sep 14, 2013 1:11 pm

lux wrote:Why does the rocket exhaust only produce smoke when it is near the ground (both takeoff and landing)?
Are we supposed to believe that it is being launched from a dirt surface and the smoke is from the soil and grass burning?

It's very odd that some rocket launches show no smoke plume and others large amounts of smoke plume after take-off.
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby Lazlo on Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:48 am

Very Practical Rocket!


I can't find an old advert that I remember. It showed a Navy guy running out of ink in the middle of a semaphore message. Well, no problem, just put in a new Piggy Back Refill. The only problem is the pen had less ink than a standard pen. This rocket is like that.



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjkPcrsyJ7k
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby Starbucked on Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:58 am

In the SpaceX cow video, the horizon forms a perfectly straight line from edge to edge. Follows the same perfectly horizontal line of pixels across the monitor.

The Grasshopper animation 'lands' within 1 or 2 pixels from the point from its pre-launch position.

SpaceX. Perfection in Rocket Testing™
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby lux on Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:20 am

The Grasshopper again. This time on Oct 7th.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDkItO-0a4

Note the odd wind-blown flames from the exhaust. What is this supposed to accomplish? It couldn't be contributing thrust.
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby dblitz on Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:11 am

The rocket appears to angle itself to the right, and I assume this is to compensate for wind blowing to the left, so that the rocket is able to make this amazing landing on the exact point it launched from. However the flames you mention, if they are wind blown, are blown to the right, so it seems the rocket should be tilting to the left as it adjusts for the wind.
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby hoi.polloi on Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:53 am

Oo, fun! "SpaceX Thanksgiving launch aborted one second before lift-off"!

They got to make a video where a launch doesn't happen but it pumps everyone up for real special effects later. Impressive steam shit, guys. Well played.

http://www.space.com/23778-spacex-thank ... video.html
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby Evil Edna on Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:28 pm

Barely a week into the new year and the ongoing hoax and scam of "SpaceX" is back in the headlines! The Daily Maggot reports that SpaceX has just blasted off a Falcon 9 rocket from Cape Canaveral, launching the Thaicom 6 satellite into "perfect orbit" !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... llite.html

The phony launch of a second communications satellite by SpaceX, "owned" by PayPal sim "Elon Musk", sees the vaporware operation gaining an ever greater slice of the $190 billion global satellite scam!


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFGC2PfS6Q4

Particularly incredible is this AP image of the fake launch. The apparent reflection of the rocket flames on the underside of the clouds is a novel addition to the hoax.

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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby bostonterrierowner on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:13 pm

Evil Edna wrote:The phony launch of a second communications satellite by SpaceX, "owned" by PayPal sim "Elon Musk", sees the vaporware operation gaining an ever greater slice of the $190 billion global satellite scam!



They have to launder billions "made" by this giant Ponzi scheme somehow :) Big money was made in Poland in 1989 by the company Art-B using the same trick as paypal does. A couple of smart Jews came up with a thing called an "oscillator" and to make a long story short it used time lag to gain multiple interest on a single money deposit :)

One of these guys ended up in Polish jail, the second one fled to Israel at once, finding himself in an Israeli penitentiary later on for trying similar cons over there. Maybe they were recruited by CIA to design Paypal ? :)
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby Evil Edna on Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:00 am

bostonterrierowner wrote:They have to launder billions "made" by this giant Ponzi scheme somehow :) Big money was made in Poland in 1989 by the company Art-B using the same trick as paypal does. A couple of smart Jews came up with a thing called an "oscillator" and to make a long story short it used time lag to gain multiple interest on a single money deposit :)

One of these guys ended up in Polish jail, the second one fled to Israel at once, finding himself in an Israeli penitentiary later on for trying similar cons over there. Maybe they were recruited by CIA to design Paypal ? :)


Interesting story. Naturally, there's a complete radio silence on the Art-B scandal in the British press (and on the English-language wickedpedia). So maybe as the scam was so successful in Poland, the perps are planning to surprise us all, by re-hashing it elsewhere!

Where are the (simmy?) rogues of Art-B today? Gravitating on London, maybe? Busy behind the scenes at BitCoin, perhaps?! The latest "must-have" of dodgy payment systems! The media is determined to legitimise Bitcoin and pique our interest in it. Yet even wonkypedia admits it's all very iffy - with the elusive "Japanese" inventor of BitCoin being probably just another sim from the City of London!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto#Identity

Strange how money, by design, is becoming ever more ethereal, ever less tangible. In this twisted modern world, we're taught now to applaud the anonymity of BitCoin. Thumbs up to trail-less money transfers, and instant laundering of dirty cash! With your expert insight on the banking system, BTO, what is the real gameplan behind BitCoin? What are the perps gaining from it? Why are the financiers encouraging it, when it undermines the status quo of their established currencies and banking systems?

As for SpaceX, that scam seems to have moved up yet another notch since yesterday! Reuters reports today that the fifth largest (fake) satellite operator in the world has just signed a contract with "SpaceX" to launch its "JCSAT-14" comms satellite. The contract value isn't stated, but if it's priced in BitCoins, it could have inflated by 1000 times by the time you've read this!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/ ... SW20140110
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby bostonterrierowner on Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:23 pm

EvilEdna,

Boys responsible for Art-B were/are:

Andrzej Gąsiorowski, living in Israel since 1991 ( in 2011 rewarded by Kneset in recognition of his works to the benefit of Holocaust survivors and developing friendship between Poland and Israel with - Certificate of Honour :D [quote][/quote] )

Bogusław Bagsik who served his time in Polish prison and after his release started another Ponzi scheme, this time related to Forex :) Haven't heard of him for a while now.

Gąsiorowski was a doctor , Bagisk a musician.

Talents like these cannot go wasted so let's stay assured that our Jewish friends are busy somehwere "developing" capital markets. Color revolutions keep springing up so maybe they are shafting middle Easterners in Egypt or Tunisia.

Regarding Bitcoin, to me it's a classic Ponzi scheme as well , sold as a "currency of the free". It works as if you went public with the company without any assets and profits, con widely practised ( Facebook, Twitter, Madoff Investments,and many many more). What is interesting , people credited with invention of this cryptocurrency are sim Winklevoss brothers ( edit: they are venture capitalist now, heavily invested in bitcoin, not inventors, my bad)the same ones "cheated" by another sim Zuckerberg who stole their another idea - FaceFuck/Facebook :)

Can it be that CIA or some other intelligence agency had something to do with it ...? :)

Ramanan, a brilliant economic blogger from India offers a great explanation of the "phenomenon" of Bitcoin ( if you are into Macroeconomics, it is a highly recommended site ) :

" In India – at least a while ago – they were many tickers trading on the stock exchanges with no income and in some cases with no office whatsoever!

Why would anyone incorporate such a thing? For two – illegal – reasons: first the IPO of the company gets the money in – which makes the owners rich – and the second way is to manipulate the price of the stock to fool more investors. The owners would trade among themselves and fool trend followers to buy the stock.

Cryptocurrencies are like that – with the difference being that they are equity liabilities of unincorporated and unregistered enterprises trading in unregulated markets. The deceit lies in marketing them as some sort of currency and inducing people to trade in them as if it were some currency.

If that is the case, what is the national accounts description (like the 2008 SNA) of such a thing? First, there is no incorporation so we have to treat them as quasi-corporations as national accountants do.

Sec 4.42 of the 2008 SNA has a description of quasi-corporations. That is for general economic activity but here I use the concept to describe cryptocurrencies. The difference here is that unlike the quasi-corporations, the cryptocurrency quasi-corp has no income!

The other reason for thinking of a quasi-corporation is that one usually sees money as a liability of an institution, so we need to think of cryptocurrencies as a liability of some economic unit.

So how does the balance sheet of this cryptocurrency quasi-corp look like at various stages?

Let us say that the cryptocurrency quasi-corporation raises $100mn at the “IPO”:


Assets

Liabilities and Net Worth


Bank Deposits = +$100mn

Equities Issued = +$100mn
Net Worth = $0


Note: Here the symbol $ is for the United States dollar and not for any cryptocurrency such as the bitcoin.

Now, the owners of the cryptocurrency quasi-corporation make a “withdrawal of equity”. That is, whatever money is received in ordinary currency is transferred to the owner’s personal account. After this, the balance sheet of the quasi-corporation looks like:


Assets

Liabilities and Net Worth


Bank Deposits = $0

Equities Issued = +$100mn
Net Worth = −$100mn


which has a counterpart that the owners’ net worth rises by $100mn (as a result of the transfer of payment received in dollars to the owners’ account).

Once the “cryptocurrency” starts trading in unregulated markets, the price of a unit rises or falls, so let’s say it rises 10 times the IPO price. At the time,


Assets

Liabilities and Net Worth


Bank Deposits = $0

Equities Issued = +$1bn
Net Worth = −$1bn


Of course, there is nothing wrong with the net worth of a corporation going negative – as may sometimes happen in times when there is a stock market boom, even for the corporate sector of a nation as a whole.

In this case however, this cryptocurrency quasi-corporation has no income whatsoever. In fact, it is using your services and hence making a loss which is covered by issuing more equities!

There is a concept of mining in cryptocurrency which is the most interesting part.

So suppose users “mine” cryptocurrency worth $100mn by providing services to the quasi-corporation, the balance sheet of the quasi-corporation will look like (assuming the price of the cryptocurrency hasn’t changed):


Assets

Liabilities and Net Worth


Bank Deposits = $0

Equities Issued = +$1.1bn
Net Worth = −$1.1bn


In the language of flows, the cryptocurrency quasi-corporation has:
an operating surplus of minus $100mn,
a balance of primary income of minus $100mn,
entrepreneurial income of minus $100mn,
disposable income of minus $100mn, and,
saving (undistributed profits) of minus $100mn.

This has a counterpart in the financial account as a net borrowing of $100mn by issuance of equities worth $100mn.

(For the above refer to the tables in Annex 2 – The Sequence of Accounts of the SNA).

The ultimate user of this intermediate consumption is another firm but the trick here is that its costs are reduced because of the issuance of cryptocurrencies for which it is not liable at all.

In the case where you own some cryptocurrency and pay for some pizza using it, it is a transaction between you and the pizza maker and shouldn’t affect the accounts of the quasi-corporation except the change in the name of ownership of the cryptocurrency – like a transaction using bank deposits. Here it is more like buying a pizza using Apple stocks with Apple Inc. acting as the settlement agent.

Of course, I repeat – currencies are not like equities but in this case, cryptocurrencies have been marketed as currencies whereas they are more like stock market equities but traded in unregulated markets.

The cryptocurrencies are thus a more sophisticated version of stocks of companies trading in markets with no income and no office.

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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby brianv on Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:03 pm

What a fabulous name BogusLaw SikBag :lol:

I haven't looked into this "Elon Musk" character but after a cursory glance through google images yesterday I would say there's something fishy going on indeed.

Nice work BTW BTO.
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby bostonterrierowner on Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:29 pm

brianv wrote:What a fabulous name BogusLaw SikBag :lol:

I haven't looked into this "Elon Musk" character but after a cursory glance through google images yesterday I would say there's something fishy going on indeed.

Nice work BTW BTO.


Thx!

I made a quick research on genius Winklevoss twins. Looks like the same team is responsible for shafting people via Facebook and Bitcoin.

Tyler Winklevoss looks simmy , picture comes from wickedpedia :

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Anyways, these 2 sim (?) geniuses already own multi billion dollar investment fund Winklevoss Capital Management , heavily involved in Bitcoin. They are in a process of starting a Bitcoin ETF on NYSE and already created payment facilitating system, of course for Bitcoin. They also achieved quite a succes during Beijing Olympic Games, 6th place in rowing.

This whole story of Winlevoss Brothers , Mark Zuckerberg , FaceFuck, Bitcoin and others was just created to fool naive "investors" :D
Nice PR campaign, whoever is responsible for it did a great job.
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Re: Elon Musk, SpaceX and PayPal

Postby Evil Edna on Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:34 am

Heh, BTO, thanks for the explanation! It's all coming back to me now - why I was given a colouring book and crayons, while the rest of the class learned economics! Double gobbledegook! At some point though, the perps do plan a stock market flotation of BitCoin - a distributed network application with zero tangible assets?! S'funny how they assured us that the dot.com bubble was truly burst. And yet with Facebook floundering, and BitCoin about to blossom, the bubble-blowing by the internet scammers is very much ongoing!
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