THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby simonshack on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:07 am

upstream wrote:Wouldn't using sources from mainstream news outlets be more appropriate, Simon? C'mon...


Wouldn't you think it would be appropriate for you to address the substance of my above post - rather than nitpicking on a few sources of its content? What exactly are you doing here, Upstream dear? Are you yet another troll? If you're not, and don't wish to smell like a troll, please behave accordingly. Thanks.
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby upstream on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:16 am

simonshack wrote:
upstream wrote:Wouldn't using sources from mainstream news outlets be more appropriate, Simon? C'mon...


Wouldn't you think it would be appropriate for you to address the substance of my above post - rather than nitpicking on a few sources of its content? What exactly are you doing here, Upstream dear? Are you yet another troll? If you're not, and don't wish to smell like a troll, please behave accordingly. Thanks.


I don't consider it nitpicking. Sources are quite important, you don't agree?

I don't need to address the "substance". I'll let it speak for itself.

And I'm not a troll. Just keeping you honest. But, oh well, I guess I'll stop posting since I have nothing to contribute according to you. Great forum you got. BYE!
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby simonshack on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:24 am

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Apparently, a painter climbed up on the KISS roof and wrote "JUSTICE FOR ALL":

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source: http://noticiasdeitabuna.blogspot.it/20 ... da-da.html

But who am I to know if that's true - it's not from a mainstream media source ! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby upstream on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:05 am

Last note before I go...

Simon, that photo you posted of the dead bodies piled up that you said are from KISS Brazil fire...

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It is not.

Thanks for proving my point on why checking sources (ie. credible sources) is important.

I'll let you and the other forum members do the research on that one.

Done with this place. Good source for certain things, but you have degraded into a depressing limited hangout.

I expect ninja-edits and obfuscation to follow...
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby simonshack on Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:35 pm

upstream wrote:Last note before I go...

Simon, that photo you posted of the dead bodies piled up that you said are from KISS Brazil fire...

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It is not.

Thanks for proving my point on why checking sources (ie. credible sources) is important.

I'll let you and the other forum members do the research on that one.

Done with this place. Good source for certain things, but you have degraded into a depressing limited hangout.

I expect ninja-edits and obfuscation to follow...

Dear Upstream,

Thanks for pointing out the dubious sources for that image. I have duly edited my post to make amends for this error of mine. However, please note that my caption introducing these images of charred bodies specifically stated:

simonshack wrote:We then have a handful of "graphic", awfully blurry / gory pictures of charred bodies - supposedly snapped at the KISS DISCO. However, do any of these images contain any indications that these images were snapped inside the KISS DISCO?


Before you leave us all alone, will you offer any comments on any of the other issues addressed in my long post? If you won't, never mind : I'll know that you simply have no genuine interest in this topic. And I'll state the following once again, to make myself perfectly clear: I have no firm working theory about this KISS disco event - and am perfectly aware that examining its media coverage may appear to be a 'stretch' to some - and even 'offensive' to others. Yet, with the recent flood of excruciatingly offensive psyops involving scores of fake, young 'victims' - I truly believe that we are all entitled to keep on the alert - and to look into any remotely similar tragedies (or "tragedies") without being reprimanded/ pilloried for doing so.

If you opine that none of my several observations (as made in my long "KISS QUESTIONS" post) have any validity whatsoever, you should address them and refute them one by one. For you to take one (innocent) poor sourcing of a given image - and 'call foul' on the overall integrity of my digging methods is not only lame & lazy of you - it smells of rotten fish, dear Upstream. And the stench doesn't emanate from my side.
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby simonshack on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:47 pm

Flabbergasted wrote:
If the incident really happened, some questions come to mind:

- Are these natural elements and behaviors which have long been copied and caricatured in psy-ops?
- Have these elements and behaviors become "natural" because of the massive influence of TV, especially since 9/11? Is reality now copying fiction?
- Do photographers and politicians rush to the opportunity of self-promotion, shedding tears or placing flowers on the street, thereby raising suspicion?

It would seem that recognizing reality is a precondition for recognizing fakery. So I wonder, while we generally focus on indications of fakery, introducing a certain bias into our analysis, what would we be looking for as an indication of reality?


Dear Flabbergasted,

Your thoughtful questions (which you expressed in your opening post of this thread) merit due consideration - I'm glad you raised them with such eloquence. Indeed, how can we go about discerning a real event from a fake one - and what are the tell-tale clues we should look out for when probing a given, suspected media psyop - or any similar scam based on fabricated data and information ?

So far, I have been focusing on certain visual aspects related to the location of the KISS event itself, performing comparative imagery analyses in search for possible discrepancies in what we may call the available 'image-pool' related to the news story - as released by the news media. What has emerged is that, yes, the image-pool does seem to contain a number of oddities and aberrations which, however inconclusive they may be, should at least raise an eyebrow or two as to the event's purported reality.

Another recurring feature of these terror and/or disaster psyops we have seen unfolding in later times is that of their need for heroes, preferably young and particularly attractive young ladies. Now, while it may seem 'natural' for the news media to use such pleasant human flesh in a zillion ways to boost newspaper sales and TV ratings, it would seem much less 'natural' to expect that, each time a tragedy/disaster/or terror attack occurs, one or more strikingly pretty women would be available for the media to use as 'poster-girls' to maximize their profits. Such consistent, sequential 'luck' would be tantamount to a Las Vegas gambler striking the jackpot each time he walks into a casino. Of course, one may say that luck "is no proof of anything", but hey, back in the old "Far West" days, poker players got whacked - no questions asked - simply for winning a tad too regularly !

This little digression brings me back to the KISS DISCO event. As it happens, this event also features a strikingly attractive female 'hero' - much like our "Victoria Soto" of Sandy Hook (and just like numerous blatant media-backed psyops of later years). She goes by the name of Michele Cardoso. See, she was the one who called for help (no, she didn't dial 911...). Here's from the Daily Mail Online :

"Ms Cardoso posted this message on Facebook using her mobile phone which read:

'Fire at KISS help'.

It was sent 50 minutes after the fire is reported to have started :"


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source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2Jg04jc1U

I will skip commenting the inane tale of her sending a Facebook message - "50 minutes after fire started" - rather than calling her local firehouse. Anyone is, by all means, free to believe in such tripe. Instead, I have compiled a 'photo gallery' of this alleged KISS victim Michele Cardoso, in order to verify if her available pictorial record betrays any sort of similarities to the many psyop vicsims exposed over the years on this forum.

MICHELE CARDOSO image gallery

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source: http://showbizdaily.net/news/michele-cardoso-brazils-kiss-club-fire-victim/

For all I know, this may well be yet another digitally-crafted, frozen-smile / mono-expressive pretty face fabricated for the occasion. In any case, this Michele Cardoso affair does NOT help to support the notion that the KISS disco was just 'one of those unfortunate, random tragedies'. Of course, to prove that it wasn't a genuine event is another matter altogether - and there doesn't seem to be much interest (even here on this forum) to tackle this topic. For now, we will just have to accept that the news media has "hit the jackpot" yet again...

On a last note concerning Michele Cardoso, I would like to ask everyone's honest opinions regarding the two portraits below, posted side by side (the lefthand image being the one most widely diffused by the international press). Do these faces even look like the same individual?
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby Flabbergasted on Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:42 pm

Simon,

I don't have anything really significant to contribute right at this moment, so I will just make a few comments:

1. That sole scenario of a lone firefighter wetting the flame-less outside wall is indeed weird. But, of course, it may be a technical issue. Wikipedia has a section on closed-volume fire extinguishing methods:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefighti ... olume_fire
But really weird is the third picture in the series where a guy in a blue-striped shirt is putting his hand on the back of the firefighter. Where did you find that?

2. Not being a connoisseur in photography, I am not sure how important the façade color issue is. In any case, it's a good thing to have on record. Sometimes other finds made long afterwards add relevance to seemingly unimportant details.

3. Regarding the people outside the nightclub calmly watching the smoke billowing out, I was wondering: maybe they were never inside in the first place. The club was twice over its capacity, the weather was probably warm and the streets are likely pretty safe in Santa Maria. Maybe the pictures were taken before the clubgoers started coming out. Just a thought.
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i ... 925.261931

And shouldn't we have plenty of rescue teams and ambulances here? Are we to believe that Brazil is some sort of retrograde, under-developed "third-world" nation in the middle of nowhere? Well, here's an image showing three guys haplessly carrying a victim around, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE KISS DISCO ENTRANCE!


4. Yes and no. In my city (over 2.5 million inhabitants, ten times the pop size of Santa Maria), the municipal government has 4 mobile ICUs (with physician) and 8 ambulances (without physician), give or take 2, believe it or not! Since my city is a state capital, in the case of such an emergency the state government would offer to send additional ambulances (40-min drive away) and some ambulances belonging to private health insurance firms might be scrambled (this information is fresh from a local mobile ICU physician friend of mine). As a smaller hinterland location, Santa Maria would hardly enjoy a similar array of options. In reality, Brazilian taxi drivers do most of the ambulance driving. Taxis are usually white cars with red license plates.

In Brazil, a town of 250,000 pop may have the purchasing power of an American town with 10-15.000 pop. A town like Santa Maria would give visitors the impression of having only one fifth of the actual population. But, as you say, Brazil is not a retrograde, under-developed third-world nation. Everyone has an iPhone, GPS and a 40-inch plasma TV, and doctors are often as competent as, if not more than, doctors in Europe and the US. We just don't have basic supplies in the hospitals, and people can't spell anymore! It's a strange land of contrasts.

5. The people removing the window grate before the "waterfighter" has started sprinkling the wall: I have no plausible explanation for that, if in fact it is a window grate. It certainly looks like it. Are there any other pictures/videos that might confirm the existence of a grate on the right side?

6. As you pointed out, several shots outside the disco are remarkably well lit. True, it looks like some strong light was suspended over the scene. No clue.
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i ... f8d.157344

7. The inconsistency of the hip of the roof to the left of the disco is a total mystery to me. But it seems most of the roof/color/foreground anomalies appear in CNN reports.

8. Your point that the largest damage appears to be above a soot-free room, right where the wall has been broken into, is good, but inconclusive. According to the floor plans (for what they are worth!), the space immediately behind the front wall may be a separate store room, perhaps protected by a conventional cement ceiling.

9. You mention soot stripes above the entrance. I am not sure I get your point, but to me they look like ondulations caused by exposure to heat, not fire. If so, they may or may not appear in images, depending on the lighting and quality.

10. You ask if "the conditions of this club (ceiling and all) are consistent with the official account?" That is a very difficult question, but maybe we can give a partial answer to that when the forensic teams release their reports. Again, what do we mean by "official account"? How official are the sources to which we have had access so far?
The pictures of the burnt/suffocated bodies look like something from another planet! I don't know what to think, but it strikes me that shirts burn easier than pants!

Apparently, a painter climbed up on the KISS roof and wrote "JUSTICE FOR ALL"


11. Yes, and again an impossible, nonsensical accent was placed on the letter "Á".

12. I looked at the interviews with the girls, Mayara Pereira and Pamela Vedovotto. It's difficult to say anything because of the awful dubbing (I found no undubbed version), but the blond girl could certainly be an actress. Her story rings false. The other girl looks somewhat credible. But hey, this is CNN again!

each time a tragedy/disaster/or terror attack occurs, one or more strikingly pretty women would be available for the media to use as 'poster-girls' to maximize their profits. Such consistent, sequential 'luck' would be tantamount to a Las Vegas gambler striking the jackpot each time he walks into a casino.


13. I beg to differ. It is not hard to find pretty young women among the witnesses or victims of real-life incidents involving dozens, hundreds or thousands of people. In a nightclub in a Brazilian town, of which "the life blood" is a university campus, you could find 200 girls to fit the bill. By the way, thank God for that :)

14. Having said that, I agree the media have clearly chosen (or created) Michele "Facebook" Cardoso as their poster girl for this incident, whatever the reason is. Those six pictures of her with that, as you say, mono-expressive pretty face are gross! Looks like right out of a sim handbook. But why are they so grainy? Were they enlarged for comparison?
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby simonshack on Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:39 pm

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Thanks for your thoughts and comments, Flabbergasted, much appreciated - I'll respond to them in due time.

Right now, I just wish to embed two interesting news flashes of the events - featuring familiar faces :


ANDERSON COOPER covering KISS fire:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nh2ikloHk0c

CNN on-site reporter at 1:00 > " ...not only were all the fire extinguishers in this club either...uhmm...they...they were beyond their date of usage...some of them were actually fake fire extinguishers..."

Wow! Sounds like a conspiracy right there!... Btw, where can one buy fake fire extinguishers ? Or did the club owner make those mock-up fire extinguishers himself - in order to save a few bucks? :blink:


DIANE SAWYER covering KISS fire:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZAECFkP6oA


Opening a gap in the bathroom wall
(where as many as 180 of the 245 reportedly perished)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1mGRNy9tiA


Yet another map of KISS disco:

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http://cinabrio.over-blog.es/article-br ... 85918.html
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby simonshack on Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:15 pm

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Ok, so I have been patiently pursuing my lonely exploration of the KISS DISCO fire in Santa Maria which, reportedly, killed 245 young people - "mostly due to asphyxia / toxic cyanide gases". It is turning out to be a far more interesting discovery journey than I would have ever imagined - as I shall elaborate in my upcoming (non-photographic-related) post.

For now, I will just submit the results of my photo-analyses of the various KISS MEMORIALS - listing the purported victims of the event. As you will see, it appears to be yet another digitally fabricated database of individuals, much like the many psyops of later years - from 9/11 and all the way to Sandy Hook. Once again, it seems that an algorithmic process was used for the name/surname creation - alongside the usual face-morphing software. And yet again - if one knows what to look for - any keen observer-examiner can detect the shortcomings of such methods of creating virtual people. Whether this is due to the perps' ineptness /clumsiness - or for whatever other reason - is a secondary issue which merits debate, but let us leave that puzzling question aside just now.

So without further ado, here is a series of 'victim pairs' to be found in the KISS MEMORIALS - all of them ADJACENT to each other in those photo-memorials which, bizarrely enough, do not list these 'people' by surname, but by alphabetical order of their first names.

At letter "A" we have:

Ângelo Nicoloso Aita_____________and___________ Ariel Nunes Andreatta

Separated at birth? And what are the odds for these two, unrelated "A.N.A twins" coincidentally
meeting up and passing out in the KISS DISCO? Or is it a case of (very subtle) face-morphing?
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Now, face-morphing can also be applied in much heftier ways.
This seems to be the case for the next pair of KISS 'victims':

FRANCIELE____________and ___________FRANCIELLE

Daughter and mother? With (almost) identical first names yet different "V" surnames? Naaah.
Franciele and Francielle are just two (slim/broad) morphs moulded out of the same face-template.
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KELLEN_______________and ______________KELLI ANN

Separated at birth? Kellen Karsten Favarin and Kelli Ann Santos Azzolin ? There's the ol' name-generating algorithm at work again...
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Here follows another comparison of the two Kellies (found on a different memorial site), the question being:
What kind of family would release such an absurd, faceless 'portrait' in remembrance of their loved one?
..........?.........V.........?.........
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LARISSA______________and _____________LARISSA

The two Larissas are, of course, meant to be two wholly different women who both died in the KISS disco.
Is anyone going to say that the two Larissas look nothing like each other? Really?
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MELISSA______________and _____________MELISSA

Well, what about the two Melissas then? Do they look much different from each other?
Melissa do Amaral Dalforno and Melissa Berguemaier Correa. Btw, that's M.A.D. and M.B.C. - how droll....
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RICARDO______________and _____________RICARDO

With or without baseball cap / younger and older / mirrored perspective. Done. We've got two Ricardos. Next!
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TANISE________________and _______________THAIS

Hmmm... perhaps Tanise and Thais aren't all that similar? Look again.
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TIAGO________________and _______________TIAGO

Two pretty similar Tiagos - both with distinctly Italian double-surnames? Natto/Nazzi? Ah, a coincidence perhaps!... <_<
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Lastly, on another note, here are two pictures (from two different memorials) of "Luana Facco Ferreira".
Are these two supposed to be the same girl? Really ???
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Sources of KISS photo-memorials:
http://jornalbomdiars.com.br/conheca-to ... -tragedia/
http://noticias.terra.com.br/brasil/cid ... aRCRD.html

Anyways folks, there's a lot more to the KISS event than meets the eye - and this will be expounded in my next post. Stay tuned.
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby Flabbergasted on Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:17 pm

I am....well, flabbergasted! :o :o :o
Kiss Disco Fire brought to you by Pooper & Sewer, and now these simmy portraits!

Just to clarify:
- Brazilians almost always list people by alphabetical order of their first names. Even public institutions. The phone book may be an exception.
- Italian and German surnames are very abundant in all of Southern Brazil.
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby simonshack on Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:07 am

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Prologue:
Now that we know that, most probably, no one died in the media-staged "KISS DISCO FIRE" (the reported victims appearing to be as 'real' as the 9/11 vicsims) - the fundamental question which emerges out of this realization is:


IF THE KISS DISCO FIRE WAS A PSYOP? WHY ? AND TO WHAT END?

Having spent this last week gathering all sorts of information (both from the mainstream media and independent sources), I was struck by the many articles - spreading like wildfire - likening this terrible event to the Holocaust. As it happens, these galloping rumours actually originated from Marcelo Arigony who, we are told, is the "delegado regional que investiga o incêndio", in other words - an official source. What Marcelo says, in substance - is that the burning foam insulation of the KISS disco ceiling released the same toxic gases used in WW1 and WWII :

"Na Primeira Guerra Mundial esse gás foi utilizado como arma química e,
na Segunda Guerra, ele foi usado no extermínio de judeus pelos nazistas."
"In the First World War, this gas was used as a chemical weapon and,
in the second World War, it was used in the extermination of the jews by the nazis".


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Marcelo Arigony - official investigator of the KISS disco fire.
http://odia.ig.com.br/portal/brasil/boa ... s-1.542839


That's a heck of a statement, if you ask me! And a pretty scary one, as far as i'm concerned: my own home recording studio is padded with the very same, acoustic foam insulation! Does that mean that, if a musician in my studio tosses a cigarette towards the ceiling, we all risk to die such atrocious deaths as reported from the Auschwitz camps? Damn - I'm gonna remove that deadly foam tomorrow - if that's the case !

But, jokes aside, let's return to research mode now. Hmmm...let's see. What day again did that KISS DISCO event take place? Ah yes,
January 27. Woah, that's funny! You've gotta love 'coincidences' like these:

January 27 just happens to be the INTERNATIONAL HOLOCAUST REMEMBRANCE DAY, as designated by the United Nations General Assembly of 2005 !

January 27 also just happens to be the (46th) anniversary of the day in which NASA murdered (by asphyxia caused by burning foam insulation) the three rebel astronauts of APOLLO 1, Grissom, Chaffee, and White.


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And just to add a spooky detail to the KISS DISCO event: on January 27, 2013 we had a FULL MOON.

Now surely folks... all these coincidences can only be coincidences, right? So let's take it easy and get on with our lives... <_<

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Btw, I'm not over yet with this research. Keep tuned.
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby simonshack on Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:26 am

Just for the record: <_<

Once again, we have a "mystery" regarding the CCTV security cameras. Woops - they're gone!



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxmsdST1HGw
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby resolution on Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:47 am

Simon, you may be interested to know that in the first week of reporting there are also two different maps of Sandy Hook Elementary school, although I can't seem to find them again.
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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby TrutherInTX on Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:49 am

I hate to mention this because I know the perps watch this forum and I don't want to give away an obvious problem. Ever notice that sim women have unusually odd eyebrows. However they create these faces the eyebrows are way too far apart. Everytime I see a sim image I feel like reaching for a tape measure to see just how far apart they are. I mean, seriously. This is not possible.

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Re: THE KISS DISCO - Brazil - January 27, 2013

Unread postby brianv on Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:16 pm

TrutherInTX wrote:I hate to mention this because I know the perps watch this forum and I don't want to give away an obvious problem. Ever notice that sim women have unusually odd eyebrows. However they create these faces the eyebrows are way too far apart. Everytime I see a sim image I feel like reaching for a tape measure to see just how far apart they are. I mean, seriously. This is not possible.

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Hello Oz's cousint.

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