ARE MILITARY CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby brianv on March 11th, 2013, 4:25 am

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ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

I sincerely hope not, if this is for real.
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby simonshack on March 11th, 2013, 11:10 pm

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The "HONOR THE FALLEN" memorial


Today, I spent some time going just a bit further back in time of that official memorial site listing the ''dead soldiers of Iraq and Afghanistan'. As I reached the year 2007, THIS is one of the pages that I bumped into:

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http://www.militarytimes.com/valor/sear ... th=2007-01

So before this Cluesforum thread goes any further, here's my message to any American citizen who might start questioning my ongoing research - and blame me for being callous, insensitive and "disrespectful of the fallen US soldiers":

PLEASE FIRST SUBMIT SUCH QUESTIONS TO YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT!


"NO PHOTO AVAILABLE"??? Are you kidding me? And that official, miitary-owned Gannett website is called "HONOR THE FALLEN"?
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby nonhocapito on March 12th, 2013, 1:55 am

It is strange and absurd to always see how such allegedly important tribute work ends up being stopped and abandoned like this, for whatever reason. However, in order to demonstrate to the public how a fake-identity scam works, we fall short because this could easily be ruled out as sloppiness on part of the people who cure that website. It's not proof enough.

Furthermore, "Military times" seems to be a privately-owned media outlet that is part of a corporation, I haven't find direct involvement of military institutions or governmental entities. Of course we know that interests intersect and might not be visible, but as far as what is publicly declared, I think these "honor the fallen" pages must be considered not more than a private initiative.
I think that to better nail this faked dead soldier thing we need a page posted directly by the military or the US government, and I mean one with a .gov or .mil extension.
I haven't been able to find one. And if really there isn't one we can consider this quite suspicious, if not outrageous in itself.

Anyway, picking randomly the names on that page one is bound to find pictures and more memorials.
Here's a result for the first name on the list, one Stephen Shannon: http://dataomaha.com/wardead/soldier/sh ... en-d/story

(On the other side of the story, this seems interesting too: http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mwherold/memorial.htm)
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby simonshack on March 12th, 2013, 2:28 am

nonhocapito wrote:Furthermore, "Military times" seems to be a privately-owned media outlet that is part of a corporation, I haven't find direct involvement of military institutions or governmental entities. Of course we know that interests intersect and might not be visible, but as far as what is publicly declared, I think these "honor the fallen" pages must be considered not more than a private initiative.


"Not more than a private initiative"?

:huh: Uh...Nonhocapito,

The "MILITARY TIMES" is a Gannett owned company.

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http://gannettgovernmentmedia.com/

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What more official, GOVERNMENT-SANCTIONED source could you ask for? :mellow:
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby nonhocapito on March 12th, 2013, 3:09 am

I am probably being very stupid, and I am certainly not very familiar with this world. But I honestly don't know what "Government media" means, maybe it simply means that those publications deal in government matters?
I am sure it is like you say Simon, it's just that nowhere on the wickedpedia page nor the Gannett website I find that they are owned by the government or are one of its subsidiaries (although the fact that they were originally based in Arlington Virginia leaves little to doubt as to their real handlers). But even if a corporation is owned by the government still in my impression this does not make those lists "official", in the sense of being issued and maintained directly by an office of the military or government. Which unfortunately makes their sloppiness not as blatantly unacceptable as it should be.
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby hoi.polloi on March 12th, 2013, 3:26 am

Wow. That site is pretty weird.

It's disturbing just how much it matches the aesthetic (in tackiness and in inaccessibility) of the CNN memorial site. I mean I know these people are less concerned about maintaining imagination or inspiration and more concerned with exploiting those things to craft a religious belief in the State, but the fact that it doesn't diverge that much from the format of the mainstream media or political shit ... I think this tells us we are looking at the same 'direction' and/or style of it as those who serve us the media vicsims.

I agree with nonhocapito: it's not clear if there is (or why there shouldn't be) some sort of 'top-down' source, but the fact that it resembles in every conventional way a CNN site by 'Funny Garbage' or an IBM Federal private government-trusted corporation/NGO I think tells us a lot about just who is our government: the corporations.
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby antipodean on March 12th, 2013, 8:34 am

brianv wrote:Image
ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

I sincerely hope not, if this is for real.


This is a very salient point. I've often thought about posting a thread about whether there are actually multiple fake (millions) civilian casualties, as reported by the MSM in these wars, just to satisfy the blood lust of the average tax payer, who expect a return for their investment.

edit : notice 4th arab guy from the left with the over starched black bandana.
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby icarusinbound on March 12th, 2013, 10:44 am

antipodean wrote:
edit : notice 4th arab guy from the left with the over starched black bandana.


Is he actually in contact with the ground? He and the guy racing him down the hill look floating.

Also, how physically-realistic is the posture of the prisoner closest to the soldier? Getting up, falling(?) back, or pasted?

Why not in a line, to aid control and monitoring?
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby CTGal1011 on March 12th, 2013, 2:33 pm

Well, the soldier/murderer does have that big ass machine gun that shoots a zillion rounds a second, and someone had to take the picture. Two big ass guns and 6 unarmed civilians in robes wearing sandals really isn't much of a fair fight.

I've always thought the military likes to downplay the amount of deaths at every opportunity. They like to be "rah-rah" victorious, no? Interesting to think about fakery, none the less.

Those soliders get a bunch of shots and medication before they leave to protect them from all of the diseases "over there" (wherever that may be). I've always wondered what is in those immunizations and if that may have something to do with all of the suicides. If the US government doesn't care about killing its own citizens on US soil (chem trails, kidnappings, etc.), why would they care about a GI? I mean, they are Government Issued and belong to the US government. Once they are of no value to the government, they are a liability. I am guessing the massive defense budget doesn't really want to allocate a lot of money to the maintenance of a solider that is incapable of fighting any longer.
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby simonshack on March 12th, 2013, 4:04 pm

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The David Lynch foundation - "Operation Warrior Wellness" ... :mellow:

http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/military.html

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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby hoi.polloi on March 12th, 2013, 4:05 pm

CTgal: I think you may be mistaken; the drugs are not all mere immunizations.

Simon: Despite the weirdness of that site, meditation is probably a good idea for these people. Shooting at others with guns is probably not the best thing for one's psychology.
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby CTGal1011 on March 12th, 2013, 6:39 pm

hoi.polloi wrote:CTgal: I think you may be mistaken; the drugs are not all mere immunizations.

Simon: Despite the weirdness of that site, meditation is probably a good idea for these people. Shooting at others with guns is probably not the best thing for one's psychology.


Hoi, sorry I may not have explained properly. That is my point...they get all of these "shots" and "immunizations" under the guise of protection of illness "over there". Am wondering if many of those inoculations aren't something more illness provoking?

I've always thought the only vaccinations one would need being a soldier would be for STD's. And as we know, most of those don't exist.

On that same tangent...suicide due to untreated syphilis attacking one's central nervous system and brain? Or antibiotic resistant gonorrhea?

Or are they just getting poisoned where ever they are fighting by people thoroughly ticked off that they are getting involved in matters that don't really concern them? Nah, couldn't be, right? :ph34r: ;)
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby nonhocapito on March 13th, 2013, 3:29 am

simonshack wrote:Image

The David Lynch foundation - "Operation Warrior Wellness" ... :mellow:

http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/military.html

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These hollywood people make money off everything. The way Lynch courted the cointel stories about 9/11 and basically the Alex Jones people, I am pretty sure he is not a free agent.
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby simonshack on March 16th, 2013, 10:17 pm

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BRITISH WAR CASUALTIES

I've just been taking a cursory look at the British lists of war casualties - I'm just going to post my observations as I go along.

Let me just quickly make it clear that I'm not trying to formulate any sweeping theory here (such as 'nobody gets killed in war zones' - or anything like that) nor do I know exactly where - if anywhere - these observations might lead to. Anyhow, this thread started with my scrutiny of the American war casualty memorials (which certainly contain a number of oddities) - so for 'fairness sake' and comparative purposes, I thought that looking at the British war memorials would be a good idea.


"Britain's fallen in Afghanistan reaches 400" :
Photogallery of fallen British soldiers: http://www.closr.it/show/GWrxAYEx2zI
Guardian war data resource: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... itish-data

The first impression, when scouring through the British memorial is that a number of casualties seem to 'come in pairs'. That is, for a given day, you will often find two - and only two - casualties who bear some, however slight, resemblance to each other. Although this may not seem overly coincidental, it is nevertheless a matter of interest to me - given what we've seen in the past with the 9/11 vicsims and so on. Here are a few such pairs (keep in mind that all pairs were reportedly killed on the same day - and that face-morphing software can squeeze or expand any given facial templates at will) :

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All in all, not any striking 'evidence of fraud', you may say, but let's take a look at yet another such pair:

LEWIS HENDRY________CONRAD LEWIS

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Now, in this case, I will 'boldly' say that we are beyond the 'plausible coincidence level', given the similarities of these two guys' names and looks. Anyways, here's a BBC article about the two - who reportedly died on the same day, 09-02-11:
BBC article - February 11, 2011: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12430286
You may wish to read the tributes to these guys in this BBC article - what with the 'obligatory' "his smile lit up every room he walked into" - and similar lines we have become so familiar with over the years...

Then we have this rather extraordinary series of 5 marines who appear to have died sequentially, each one of them in separate events / explosions in Afghanistan - and all within the month of May (June) 2010.
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CHRISTOPHER LEWIS HARRISON:
https://www.gov.uk/government/fatalitie ... fghanistan
"They would say that he was an altruistic and generous man with a ready smile and a witty quip. He confronted danger like he approached everything else, with an infectious sense of humour."
STEPHEN WALKER:
https://www.gov.uk/government/fatalitie ... fghanistan
"He loved his job and the Royal Marines, and his enthusiasm was infectious throughout the Troop. He had a great sense of humour that never faltered whatever the situation."
STEPHEN PAUL CURLEY:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/corp ... fghanistan
"With that cheeky smile and cutting sense of humour he would make me laugh constantly."
SCOTT GREGORY TAYLOR:
https://www.gov.uk/government/fatalitie ... fghanistan
"He loved his family and lit up the room with his smile. He had a wicked sense of humour and was loyal, caring and brave, never showing pain. "
ANTHONY DEAN HOTINE:
https://www.gov.uk/government/fatalitie ... fghanistan
"He lit up a room with his smile and always lived every day to the full. He had an infectious wit, a sharp mind and a big and generous heart (...) He knew the dangers involved in operating here and he willingly accepted them on a daily basis, but importantly he did so whilst retaining his sense of humour"

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT all the above quotes are supposed to be genuine transcriptions of statements collected from friends, colleagues and family members of these various deceased soldiers - and are NOT meant to be the work of, say, one single (uninspired) tribute-writer / or novelist...

Ok, I'll stop here for now - and just sign off with this last remarkable coincidence. I mean seriously, what is the statistical probability for two Monkhouses - both serving the British army in Afghanistan - to get killed within four days of each other?

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DAVID THOMAS MONKHOUSE: https://www.gov.uk/government/fatalitie ... fghanistan
STEPHEN MONKHOUSE: https://www.gov.uk/government/fatalitie ... fghanistan

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And this article was sent to me by Hoi Polloi today...
"Lance Corporal JAMES ASHWORTH to receive posthumous Victoria Cross for protecting comrades in Afghanistan" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 37202.html
"Lance Corporal Ashworth was an exceptional soldier and a shining example to both his peers and subordinates alike; always leading from the front with a smile on his face."
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/lanc ... fghanistan
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Isn't it wonderful to know that these heroes protecting our way of life - all sacrifice themselves with an infectious sense of humour and a smile on their face? :)
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Re: ARE AMERICAN WAR CASUALTIES SIMULATED?

Postby brianv on March 17th, 2013, 7:02 am

One Animal from Dublin died from sniper fire in Basrah.

BBC Funereal Bullshit by Father David Lumsden http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/nort ... 971347.stm
RTE Funereal Bullshit by Fr Dave Lumstone http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0424/37562-iraq01/

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Creator tool Adobe Photoshop. Dig the excellent work around the eyes and chin!

https://www.gov.uk/government/fatalitie ... ith-malone

Ian Malone - One Animal

His family didn't want to speak to the media. That's handy.
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