The Ukrainian theater

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The Ukrainian theater

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So we are told Merkel and Hollande met with Putin supposedly to "prevent war". A meeting considered "inconclusive" .
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/07/europ ... index.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... lks-moscow

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from http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... lks-moscow

On the same occasion criminal puppet Ukrainian president Poroshenko recited his ungrammatical (and yet entirely scripted!) litany for the benefit of the media. (Here is some random internet info about him and the whole situation, if you have time glimpse at these pages: http://www.globalresearch.ca/money-laun ... ko/5384213 http://forward.com/articles/198758/ukra ... oroshenko/ http://www.jta.org/2014/05/20/news-opin ... -betray-us http://scgnews.com/leaked-documents-ukr ... department http://www.voltairenet.org/article183839.html http://www.4thmedia.org/2014/05/useunat ... rcenaries/ http://www.rferl.org/content/was-yanuko ... 74346.html etc)

Here is the speech (it's one minute of your life but worth it):


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92sOLL_I5nc

It is quite amazing to observe how poor the script is, how appalling the acting, and yet how everything is taken seriously just because the media say so.

Here Poroshenko is showing passports "of Russian soldiers and Russian officers who were come to us... and lead it together with that (sic) ...this is the best evidence for the aggression and for the presence of Russian troops!"
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Really? This is the BEST evidence? What is this fixation of the Mossad-CIA-whatever script writers to throw in passports and identity cards every which way?

Do soldiers even carry passports with them? To what end?

A moment later he tells us what they are doing [slow zoom out]: "killing my soldiers and killing Ukranian civilians: dozens; hundreds; thousands!" [switch to the faraway camera to show the composed, silent yet approving reaction of the audience].

A good dramatic effect. However, the subconscious of the listener is left struggling with the confusion: are the deaths dozens or thousands? Did he just say that there were dozens of deaths that could eventually become thousands, or did he say there were thousands that started with dozens?

What are the numbers exactly? Counting is not hard. I guess you could say that you know people are being rhetorical when they forget to count.

Well, it doesn't matter since this is all word play. He knows, the journalists know -- even us, the public, know to some level deep down, although we play on, just to feel that we understand the game. (And Poroshenko's indignation is even more ridiculous to watch if one stops to remember that this guy single-handedly managed the breakdown of his own country, pretending all the while it was OK to drag hundred of thousands of Russians into a new theoretical pro-EU political arrangement, perfectly knowing it would have led to this.)

So, is "Putin's side" any better?

Well, as he appears in this case to resist the forced globalization and the bullying by the zionist-western fanatics, and elsewhere too (by backing Assad in Syria for example), his side could be considered, at least in the short term, theoretically better on a political level: however, methodologically (and thus morally, because of all the unforgivable, damned lying and manipulation we have to endure from all sides) it is the same.

Again RT, this time talking about some villages near Donetsk being surrounded by Poroshenko's troops, and villagers being evacuated, and a family being hit.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bzst-eyzME

1st we see villagers in line on a muddy road in the middle of nothing, waiting to be loaded on trucks. Hm. So the invention of cars didn't get to this place, and here things still need to be done like in a WWII movie. OK. But... which village do these people come from? Why is it not in the picture? (So nobody can say, yes, this happened to my village?)
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Then we look at a family who got their house destroyed, wife lost a leg, son badly injured, the other one tragically dead. Pretty bad.

I don't mean to be cynical... if the story was true I would be speechless and would feel crushed for them. And hey, maybe it is true and I am being an idiot. Yet the fact that the wife who JUST LOST HER SON and JUST LOST A LEG is giving an interview and talking about it and letting herself be filmed crying is a bit of a giveaway. (So here it is another favorite theme of the script writers, which was big during the Boston bombing: losing a leg)
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In case you had any doubt, here is the missing leg:
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and here is the other son who was badly injured:
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Hm. He doesn't look "critical"... unless perhaps the green was given with an unwashable marker.

All in all, it seems the usual crap. However the stakes are high this time IF the weakened economies of Russia and Europe are pitted against each other; the people in these areas would pay a big price and the EU would be pushed to its limits.

You would think this belongs to a different story altogether but the fact that mr "Obama" felt the need to comment favorably on the election of Tsipras (and the intentions of Greece to basically push itself into a corner with the EU) I think makes the pair with the blabbering of Biden about supporting Poroshenko (can be seen here): Because the EU pays the price for all this (meaning, of course, EU citizens): which, evidently, might be deemed convenient at this stage.
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I don't have anything to add, I'm afraid, except in thanks.

The passport story is a hilarious back up to anything official. Are they just subconsciously expressing to us they resent all the passport work governments go through? Reminds me of PsyOps where bodies were said to incinerate with nothing left but a passport.

Considering all the 'phony passport' scams posted all over the Internet by bots and such, you'd think this would be one of the very least convincing documents to wave as proof.
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*ADMIN NOTICE:

I took the decision to move a few of the latest posts here (including my own) to the Derailing Room:

Here they are now: http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2394035#p2394035
(Whenever posts are moved to the Derailing Room - it doesn't necessarily mean that further discussion about them is discouraged).

I fully respect nonhocapito's wish to stay put & focused on the Ukrainian Theatre topic - here on this particular thread.
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Today, the "news" (read by an android on a local radio station) emitted some official line about Obama saying a potential option to "solving" the unexplained uncontextualized events in Ukraine we know nothing about would be weapons!

Arm the Ukrainians and help them resist Russian oppression.

No word at all of the USA's undoubtedly deeper role in the whole mock play. Why the need to pretend cold distance on the world stage? Whatever happened to USA diplomats barreling into situations and trying to negotiate? If the USA is as powerful as they have claimed for decades (oh, sorry, 9/11, were you saying something?) what difficulty is there in economic warfare? Why are we already speaking of weapons and creating something even messier?

Seems like the USA sure is eager to transform the situation into a war economy. Wow, real "peaceful" of you Obama.

I wonder what CFR meetings about the Ukraine sounded like shortly before these alleged events.
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hoi.polloi wrote:Today, the "news" (read by an android on a local radio station) emitted some official line about Obama saying a potential option to "solving" the unexplained uncontextualized events in Ukraine we know nothing about would be weapons!

Arm the Ukrainians and help them resist Russian oppression.

No word at all of the USA's undoubtedly deeper role in the whole mock play. Why the need to pretend cold distance on the world stage? Whatever happened to USA diplomats barreling into situations and trying to negotiate? If the USA is as powerful as they have claimed for decades (oh, sorry, 9/11, were you saying something?) what difficulty is there in economic warfare? Why are we already speaking of weapons and creating something even messier?

Seems like the USA sure is eager to transform the situation into a war economy. Wow, real "peaceful" of you Obama.

I wonder what CFR meetings about the Ukraine sounded like shortly before these alleged events.
Yes where have all the diplomats gone? I asked this question many times after that NineOneOne show and leading up to the "wars" - and I will put that in quotes because I don't know for sure what happened there. And it ain't what we've been told!

edited. Damn, I though we were in the chatbox, all this topic moving. Apologies.
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So we have this piece of news of an attack on civilians that appears to have happened in the city of Kramatorsk (or not)

According to RT, it is not known who fired the rockets ("we cannot say it was Poroshenko!"):
http://rt.com/news/230975-kramatorsk-uk ... oroshenko/

According to western media, Russians did it (here BBC just as an example):
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31357588

Irregardless, here is some evidence of the mayhem:

explosions as seen from an apartment window (no rockets or projectiles of any sort are visible despite the story being of a missile attack) and rather effective whimpering as soundtrack:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc9Kh-OL4sQ

a video of a rocket stuck in the ground:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWtrLMZfj_0

and relative pictures of such object(s):
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from http://rt.com/news/230975-kramatorsk-uk ... oroshenko/

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from http://www.corriere.it/foto-gallery/est ... 55e9.shtml

In concert with the above, we are offered a video of a "Russian attack" on a soup kitchen in Permovaisk (Lugansk).

it is indeed a rather lazy "dramatic" video showing people running away from something and screaming (with impeccable cellphone filming throughout):


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbU22tJpyLQ

It could be of interest to point out that Kramatorsk and Lugansk all are in the "Russian" side of Ukraine. Where the population, the language and the culture are entirely Russian and have been always such, being part of Ukraine only as an historical gesture by Stalin back in the day.

It seems therefore kind of difficult to imagine that the Russians would bomb their own people and areas.

I am not pointing this out as evidence that one side is doing the bombing rather than the other (how would I know? and is this thing even partially real? plus it seems obvious that all sides here have some interest in an artificial war) but to point out the repetitive, sloppy scripting targeted for a public who is expected to be largely ignorant of the situation.

(That said, if Kosovo, Libya etc are of any guide, some real fighting and destruction might happen... if we allow the interpretation that a goal in such cases could be obliteration of infrastructure, breakdown of the local economy and criminal rule.)

[ADMIN: Awesome post. Regarding funky word "irregardless" — I commend you on knowing such Americanesque words. Haha! -HP]
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Ok, so I'm no ballistic expert ... hence, can anyone please tell me how a non-exploding missile does THIS sort of damage as it hits the ground?

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"Seven people have been killed and 26 wounded, including 10 service personnel, in rocket strikes on the town of Kramatorsk on Tuesday, the government-controlled regional administration said in a statement. "
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.641755
Needless to say, seven + 26 = 33. :rolleyes:
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simonshack wrote:*

Ok, so I'm no ballistic expert ... hence, can anyone please tell me how a non-exploding missile does THIS sort of damage as it hits the ground?

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"Seven people have been killed and 26 wounded, including 10 service personnel, in rocket strikes on the town of Kramatorsk on Tuesday, the government-controlled regional administration said in a statement. "
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.641755
Needless to say, seven + 26 = 33. :rolleyes:
Neither am I. That ain't no UXB with crowds of onlookers with their stupid phones. They are called pipes around here. If it had been a missile, unexploded at that, it would have serial numbers and codes that would show who fired it, from where, at what time...unless the Hezbollah circus is in town.
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A couple more pictures of the ridiculous nondescript "rocket" growing out of the city pavement.

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from http://www.corriere.it/foto-gallery/est ... 55e9.shtml

The sign says: Outside doors and inside doors - DOORS - WINDOWS. Party Congress street 39b
Some joke I don't get.
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nonhocapito wrote:The sign says: Outside doors and inside doors - DOORS - WINDOWS. Party Congress street 39b
Some joke I don't get.
(Read the street number (19). Read the first phone number ((050) 692 92 27). 5+6,9+2,9+2,2+7)
It's an advertisement for the following door seller:
Metal doors MIA

Sale of metal doors "MIA" (Ukraine), metal 2 mm MDF plates with 2 sides, padded handle, 2 locks with bronenakladkami, eye loops antisrezy laminated casing, weight 100 kg. Delivery and installation free of charge!

Location: Kramators'k
Price: 3370 USD
Author: Anna (Search ads this author)
Kramators'k Street. Socialist office 45 321 (hotel Kramators'k) tel / fax 0626 481 944, 050 697 59 66 050 692 92 27
Source link

Edit:
The rocket strike images posted here look to have the blue and red color values especially enhanced in otherwise gray and drab scenery.
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HonestlyNow wrote: Edit:
The rocket strike images posted here look to have the blue and red color values especially enhanced in otherwise gray and drab scenery.
A brief diversion regarding those colours. http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p2394096
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Hmm, I know it is cold over there but there must be a 'run' going on down the 'Army'n'Navy' stores for new blue padded jackets and knitted hats [three lots in the one shot]...that or they're using the same sim remodeled slightly...
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Are we supposed to believe it's normal for Ukrainians to leave their dead lying around like this? :wacko:

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-ru ... 39744.html:
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“The body of a woman killed by shelling lies in a residential area in the eastern town of Kramatorsk on February 10”

(Note the distant figures in red & blue)
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Maat wrote:*
Are we supposed to believe it's normal for Ukrainians to leave their dead lying around like this? :wacko:

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-ru ... 39744.html:
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“The body of a woman killed by shelling lies in a residential area in the eastern town of Kramatorsk on February 10”

(Note the distant figures in red & blue)
Notice also that the face is covered by what looks like a dish rag, thus nipping the possible issue of a person later identifying the woman magically brought back to life in the bud. Perhaps they are learning from mistakes made during Sandy Hook.
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nonhocapito wrote:A couple more pictures of the ridiculous nondescript "rocket" growing out of the city pavement.

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from http://www.corriere.it/foto-gallery/est ... 55e9.shtml

The sign says: Outside doors and inside doors - DOORS - WINDOWS. Party Congress street 39b
Some joke I don't get.
What I find curious is that these rockets are jammed into the pavement at all. Aren't these unguided artillery rockets packed with explosives? I believe this is a GRAD rocket, compare folding stabilizer fins:

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Perhaps in support of the cause, actual rocket 'attacks' utilizing GRAD rockets that have had their explosive payload replaced with concrete or recoverable test or practice dummies with a strengthened rocket body have been used to simulate an attack. If these are supposed to be real rockets with live explosive payloads, the photos are incongruous because these kinds of weapons have a relatively thin body, they are fuzed to detonate on impact or possibly when slightly above the ground, and there are tons of people smiling and taking selfies with the theoretically live rockets. If I saw one of these in a war zone, embedded in the pavement, I would be going very quickly in the opposite direction as the thing could *GO OFF AT ANY MOMENT.*

I believe it's possible that the Kiev junta has learned about using fake rocket attacks from the Israelis, who seem to have this sort of thing down to a science. I have looked at many photos depicting the remains of, or even complete rockets used supposedly against Israel and they also have the same sort of overbuilt, scaled-up model rocket feel to them. :puke:

EDIT: Another thing I notice about these embedded rockets - the ground in the areas shows definite signs of recent disturbance, as if a piece of heavy machinery drove up and actually drilled a hole in the earth or pulled up the ground.
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