Germanwings 4U9525 Airbus crash, 24 March 2015

[nonhocapito]

Germanwings airliner crashes in French Alps
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32030270

Just very quickly creating a placeholder for this alleged air crash of flight 4U 9525 from Barcelona to Dusseldorf. Soon it might turn out to be another faked event, maybe a terror event or another "mysterious" crash Malaysia style in which case this thread should be moved to the appropriate forum section.

For now I can notice two things, first, geographically speaking this is a very good area where to stage a crash. Right in the middle of nothingness on the mountains, difficult to access, probably nobody was around when "it happened".

Also, I'm amazed to find on this page: http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airpl ... x/#5d42675 (via this instant wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525) the above flight map and the below real-time graphic of the speed and altitude for this flight. Are they testing this sort of "blackbox for dummies", just to add convincing arguments to their projection of reality?

from http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airpl ... x/#5d42675

What happened at 9:31!? terror event? Suicide pact? No more peanuts? I can hear all the bullshit conspiracy crap already...

And a further comment... Supposing this is yet another staged bullcrap: we have the easy fear (nothing as scary as a plunging plane with no way out), the excuse to tight up security in airports where we have to submit if we want our week holiday in Ibiza... but is there also a desire to discourage people from travelling? We always say it, but I wonder why...?

[tak47]

photo from alleged crash-site...

source: http://www.airlive.net/2015/03/breaking-crash-of-a320-in-south-of.html


// edit

Distress call was received by ATC at 9:47 UTC.

yeah, well, of course...

[Selene]

Hmm, this looks fishy (I wouldn't draw any conclusions yet).

The Daily Shill has a very extensive page about this crash or "crash":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... U9525.html

With already pictures and videos of the alleged crash site:





About 150 firefighters and mountain police are being deployed to the scene, although officials warn it could take days to retrieve any bodies *1

Photographs taken of the scene this evening show what appears to be sections of charred aircraft on the mountainside *2

Views of the crash site show a handful of rescue workers starting their work among pieces of debris scattered across the mountainside *3

And some text:

The images emerged as confusion reigned over the final minutes of the doomed Airbus A320 after air traffic controllers claimed they received no SOS despite the jet nosediving 32,000ft in just eight minutes. *4


Debris from the jet, operated by Lufthansa's Germanwings budget airline, was found near Barcelonnette *5


French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve (centre) is sheltered from the rain upon his arrival in Seyne, close to the crash site *6


Relatives of the plane crash passengers are seen leaving Terminal 2 of Barcelona El Prat airport, where the plane took off today *7


Stunned: A relative (centre) of passengers on the Germanwings plane that crashed in French Alps arrives at the Terminal 2 of the Barcelona El Prat airport, where the plane took off *8



From ABC News: "Well, no doubt about it, eh? Clear image, proof on camera. It was a Germanwings plane"

And look at this: no mistake possible, it can only be of that particular "plane"!



"Experts say": It...ehh...takes days to find...ehh...any bodies, we are with a handful....ehh... 150 rescue workers...ehh...at the...ehh...crash site
Awake people say: So the tail number and FDR within a day, but not a single body whatsoever??

Comments:

1 - It could take days to recover any bodies by "about 150 firefighters and policemen"?? So with days searching the area with fastly deployed experts it still could take days to find any body? How is that possible? If there's wreckage everywhere, there should be bodies everywhere, right? Maybe they need some more time to studio stage the bodies?
2 - "Crash" happened @ 10:53, these pictures are taken "this evening" (with March daylight in Southeastern France that cannot be later than let's say about 19:53 and "evening" starting @ 18:00), so 7-9 hours after the crash some parts are still burning/smoking; is this a gun?
3 - a "handful" of rescue workers is "starting their work", already? How come that it would take "days" to retrieve any bodies then?? And what about the "about 150"? That's a pretty big number to start searching? Within a day one should find at least some bodies, right?
4 - Nose-diving? The flight information as posted by nonhocapito (again here below from Daily Mail) does not show a nose-dive: the speed of the aircraft is just increasing very very mildly after the "steep descent moment", and on the contrary; it is even slowing down for most of the alleged path?!



5 - "near Barcelonette" (curious, as the plane came from Barcelona) and other places state "Debris from the jet, operated by Lufthansa's Germanwings budget airline, has been found scattered over a wide area near Barcelonnette in an inhospitable region of the Alps."
Well; a wide area means not only "near Barcelonnette", but also around the other villages in the area.
6 - that's a quick visit, for such an important person... Note they speak about rain. You see the rocks of the area, they are very typical for the French Alps. This is called flysch; a fine-grained muddy sediment deposited along the forming Alps. This mud when getting wet is very slippery and erodes away easily, especially with "debris" falling on top of it. With a "nose-dive or free fall", the debris would be washed down the obviously steep slopes very fast. Assumption is that it not only rains in Seiny, where the Interior Minister landed, but also higher up in the mountains.
7 - I cannot help noticing a grin on the face of the slim lady on the left of the picture...
8 - and again, the guy in the centre seems to be grinning, but as the photo is shot while he is in motion it might just be a casual shot.
9 - Why is there no full passenger list available? Why so much confusion on the exact numbers and people aboard? Isn't Germanwings a German airline? With an outstanding track record (so organisation)? After 11 hours still no full list of passengers and confusion of how many of which nationality there were on board?
10 - The alleged planned flight path was not going over this "inhospitable" area of the Alps, why did the "plane" divert so much to the East, already over the Mediterranean?
11 - if indeed the "last radar contact" was from the town of Gap (a popular ski town in the French Alps), how come the plane "crashed" so much farther to the East?

It all looks very suspicious... I would not call this a hoax yet, but it does not breathe confidence being a real air crash...

Selene

Life is like a landscape. You live in the midst of it but can describe it only from the vantage point of distance
Charles Lindbergh (1902-1974)

[Maat]

Commercial planes can & do crash occasionally — but when accompanied by so many politically loaded “coincidences”, story discrepancies plus the usual conveniences and sus-pics (grieving faces etc.) my bullshit detector starts buzzing

Check out the gallery of images here (scroll down; bottom of article): http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/03/24/passenger-plane-france-alps-crash/70365274/
e.g.
Convenient “arty” sun-flares:




President François Hollande of France just happened to be meeting with King Felipe VI of Spain (in France on a state visit) at the time too, eh?


“Queen Letizia of Spain, left, and her husband, King Felipe VI, listen as French President Francois Hollande addresses the media at the Elysee presidential palace in Paris. The royal couple canceled their first state visit to France after word of the plane crash. (Photo: Bertrand Guay, AFP/Getty Images)”

And of course:




etc. ad nauseam...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/world/europe/germanwings-crash.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/24/europe/france-plane-crash/index.html
http://news.yahoo.com/16-german-school-pupils-feared-dead-french-alps-152022091.html

[CTGal1011]

Any chance that instead of it being a hoax, it could be a deliberate act? I mean, it was a budget airline. They do have their fair share of dubious crashes.
It isn't like the world's current mood in regards to Germany is all sunshine and rainbows.
I am thinking all of the austerity measures, their meddling in all things Europe and just general anti-German sentiment.
Wondering if it is possible.
Nothing like deaths of school children to start some "feels" among the populace.

[nonhocapito]

Any chance that instead of it being a hoax, it could be a deliberate act?

Sorry for the "wise guy" answer but... Why doing it for real if you can fake it? It's really a serious question nowadays.

[edit] The only real alternative to the faked event here is a real accident: a technological malfunction, human error etc. This is very possible, of course, as it is possible that only in a second moment a tragic event is used as a political and propaganda tool. Time will tell, although as we have already pointed out in this thread there are some giveaway signs.

The deliberate confusion continues, anyway. Today on repubblica.it I read this:

Non esiste ancora una lista dei passeggeri definitiva. È l'effetto di Schengen, spiegano a Berlino. Esiste un elenco, ricostruito faticosamente, che individua 16 nazionalità (altre fonti ne indicano 18) in un quadro ancora "provvisorio". "Sul 10 per cento delle vittime non vi è ancora certezza", ha detto stamani a Berlino il portavoce del ministero degli Esteri tedesco Martin Schaefer, rispondendo in conferenza stampa. "In un aereo che viaggia nell'area Schengen non è affatto facile sapere quale sia la provenienza dei passeggeri - ha continuato - e questo per il semplice fatto che nell'aerea Schengen non ci sono più controlli dei passaporti, e non vi è più l'obbligo di presentare documenti che chiariscano quale sia il paese di origine".
From http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2015/03 ... 110403510/

There is no definitive passenger manifest yet. It's the Schengen effect.... there is a list, strenously put together, which identifies 16 different nationalities (18 according to other sources)... "For 10 percent of the victims there is no certainty", The spokesperson for the German foreign minister Martin Schaefer said today in a press conference. "On a plane traveling through the Schengen area is not really easy to know the country of origin of the passengers, and this for the simple reason that there is no passport control and no obligation to show documents clarifying what is the country of origin.

1) Either you know all the passengers or you don't know any. What is this 10% you don't know about? Why are they different?

2) Correct me if I'm wrong, but even without Passport control at the airport, don't you still have to provide an identification when you buy the ticket?. The airline company must have all the information. How could check-in even work, in fact, without an identification? And aren't we asked for identification during boarding? All they need to do is ask to the airline company for the list of passengers. How is this not obvious, automatic, instantaneous??

It seems as if they want us to believe that not everything is in their computers, and not our every movement is followed and recorded, that there is this big gap of information and control we need to fill, when, at least in regards to flying and airports, the opposite is true.

[brianv]

Something extremely worrying about the "Hollande" gimp in Maat's post. Is he a wax-works dummy? He appears to have one expression, one suit, one pose.

The number of times he has popped up recently has my hackles up, that with the clearly photo-shopped artifacts one might expect to see from a breivik or snowden type sim. The black pencil line in around the neck and wrists. Straight out of mugshot photo software. The other creatures aren't any better, especially the botoxed bitch in quasi-Egyptian queen costume. I do not believe these images are representations of real people. Check the slip of the artists pencil on Le Gimp's hand and the drawn on hair. Looks like it has been "shooped" 100 times. The outline is so heavy!

[nonhocapito]

We are now told that 3 Americans were on this flight. Two of them were mother and daughter: "Yvonne Selke" and "Emily Selke"


From http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local ... 27161.html

The above picture is said to be showing "Emily Selke". It was allegedly "posted online in a tribute by her sorority, Gamma Sigma Sigma."
(Here's the facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/GammaSigmaSigm ... =1&theater There are a zillion comments, and not one of them by someone who knew her.)

Anyway, I admire the trademark sim long neck. But... why picking a picture out of focus for a tribute?
(more pictures of her, all either with bad lightning, bad focus or some sort of disguise on the face: http://heavy.com/news/2015/03/emily-sel ... ane-crash/)

What's more interesting, apparently "Yvonne Selke" worked for the Pentagon.

American victims in French Alps plane crash included US government contractor, daughter
http://www.newser.com/article/06e53fbd3 ... ghter.html

Yvonne Selke performed work under contract with the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's satellite mapping office, Booz Allen and the Defense Department confirmed in statements after the AP had reported her identity and employment.

So, three Americans on the flight, one works for the Pentagon. These are pretty good odds. But there's more...

We are told that Yvonne Selke worked for Booz-Allen Hamilton. Guess who else worked for such company?

In June 2013, Edward Snowden – at the time a Booz Allen employee contracted to NSA projects – publicly disclosed details of classified mass surveillance and data collection programs, including PRISM.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booz_Allen_Hamilton

Evidently among all the nice technological nightmarish bullshit they create at Booze Allen, they don't shy away from character creation.

"The U.S. government did not identify the third American it said was on the plane". I'm now on the edge of my seat.

p.s. I don't often indulge in anagrams, but..."Yvonne Selke": "Eleven on sky" - "Emily Selke": "Seem likely".

[brianv]

Not unlike the other French clown show recently, now we have "El Prat Airport".

Prat : An incompetent or stupid person; an idiot. El Prat = The Fool

Get some t-shirts made! Je suis un Prat.

[Maat]

It seems as if they want us to believe that not everything is in their computers, and not our every movement is followed and recorded, that there is this big gap of information and control we need to fill, when, at least in regards to flying and airports, the opposite is true.

I think you're right, Nonho. And the discrepancies in this story are definitely multiplying — + Pentagon & sim connections — it's so full of holes now it couldn't hold rocks! International travelers that didn't have to show passports or IDs to fly around Europe, eh? That'll be the day!

Not unlike the other French clown show recently, now we have "El Prat Airport".

Prat : An incompetent or stupid person; an idiot. El Prat = The Fool

Get some t-shirts made! Je suis un Prat.

“El Prat” Airport!

Instead of T-shirts, I just pinned the appropriate lapel buttons on these three P[ig]s — the French dummy Prat, the Spanish Parasite & his Puta [“Queen” Letizia is a former journalist (print & CNN) + TV anchor, i.e. Media whore]

[original]

[nonhocapito]

Here we go with the spooky stories, Malaysian style. If the media were not out for propaganda and money, nothing so vague and raw would ever be fed to the people (sorry for the obviousness).

Germanwings plane crash: Pilot 'locked out of cockpit'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32062278

The New York Times quoted an unnamed investigator as saying that one of the pilots - it is not clear if it is the captain or the first officer - left the cockpit and had been unable to get back in.
"The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door, and there is no answer," the investigator said, describing audio from the recorder.
"And then he hits the door stronger, and no answer. There is never an answer. You can hear he is trying to smash the door down."

Here's the original NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world ... crash.html

A somewhat interesting comment to this is given on this interview on CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/201 ... ockpit.cnn

More information here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/germanwing ... -1.3010045

The A320 is designed with safeguards to allow emergency entry if a pilot inside is unresponsive, but the override code known to the crew does not go into effect — and indeed goes into a five-minute lockdown — if the person inside the cockpit specifically denies entry, according to an Airbus training video and a pilot who has six years of experience with the jets. (...) Airlines in Europe are not required to have two people in the cockpit at all times. European regulators have refused to comment on the regulation when contacted by The AP.
Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, airlines in the U.S. don't leave one pilot alone in the cockpit. The standard operating procedure is that if one of the pilots leaves — for example to use the toilet — a flight attendant takes their spot in the cockpit.

Also:

Lufthansa has refused to identify the pilots, or give details of ages and nationality, but it said the co-pilot joined Germanwings in September 2013, directly after training, and had flown 630 hours.

No nationality... Of course we are given information on this lack of information, so as to eventually make the most of it, eventually get more impact. Tired ol' techniques. But I don't like where this whole story is going...

On the NYT website there's also a partial list of victims: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015 ... ctims.html
Aside of the two sims connected to the pentagon as reported in a post above, still no news of the "third American" on board...

However the most astonishing bit of info in the above linked article has to be this one:

A Lufthansa plane carrying 62 relatives of victims who will visit the plane crash site in the French Alps arrived in Marseille on a flight from Barcelona. Lufthansa said they will meet up with 14 others who decided not to fly to France and instead took an overnight bus from Barcelona provided by the airline.

The airline said the relatives will be taken together "to the closest point possible to the accident zone, taking into account the difficult access conditions." Part of the zone is closed to everyone except crash investigators and experts removing remains of the victims.

What in the name of fuck is this? Victim tourism? Why would anyone, barely days after the event, fresh of a terrible heartbreaking loss, agree to be taken hiking just to see charred bodies and scrap metal on the side of a mountain? What is the bloody point of this?? (But actually the point is obvious: tomorrow there will be nice pictures of actors and agents in sunglasses and scarfs and blue and white striped clothing fake crying and putting down flowers on a hill somewhere).

(this does it for me, if no one objects, I'm moving the thread to the "world deceptions" forum section)

[Maat]

Aah, it's a pilot "suicide/murder" now

Latest from CNN: "Co-pilot made 'deliberate attempt' to crash Germanwings plane, prosecutor says"

(CNN)Latest developments:

• 8:39 a.m.: Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said he was not thinking of the Germanwings crash as a suicide, explaining, "When you are responsible for 150 people, I don't call it a suicide."

• 8:39: a.m.: The bodies of the victims won't be released to families until all the DNA identification work has been done, the prosecutor said.

• 8:20 a.m.: As of now, there's "nothing to allow us to say that it was a terrorist attack," Robin said.

• 8:20 a.m.: Screaming could be heard on the audio recording only in the last few minutes, and death was instantaneous for those on board when the plane crashed, he said.

• 8:20 a.m.: The name of the co-pilot was Andreas Lubitz, and he was 28 years old, Robin said.

• 7:55 a.m.: The co-pilot of the doomed Germanwings flight "activated the descent" of the plane when he was alone in the cockpit, Robin said Thursday. That can only be done deliberately, he said.

• 7:55 a.m.: The co-pilot was alive until impact, Robin said, citing the sound of steady breathing in the cockpit. [Over the sound of the pilot trying to break open the door? ]

• 7:55 a.m.: There was a "deliberate attempt to destroy the aircraft," Robin said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11496066/Andreas-Lubitz-and-Patrick-S-What-do-we-know-about-the-pilots-on-Germanwings-flight-4U9525.html

[tak47]

(CNN)Latest developments:
• 8:20 a.m.: Screaming could be heard on the audio recording only in the last few minutes, and death was instantaneous for those on board when the plane crashed, he said.

wait, what?

"The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer... And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer,” one of the investigators told the New York Times citing the information extracted out of the CVR.

“You can hear he is trying to smash the door down,” the investigator added.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/germanwings-crash-co-pilot-intentionally-destroyed-jet-say-french-investigators_1568024.html

so people are sitting there relaxed while the captain tries to smash in the cockpit door?

[CTGal1011]

Wonder the purpose of the psy-op? Especially if they pin it on a homegrown German citizen.

It is amazing the difference between a real crash and a fake one. With the real crashes, the recovery of the recorders and transcription takes weeks. It is not instantaneous.
The recovery of bodies (and body parts) is a slow, square foot by square foot, with numerous people (from all different branches of law enforcement, medical establishment, recovery companies, salvage and wreckage, etc) . And they are never wearing their Sunday best on the ground. Takes weeks, because they are trying to clean it up and get every body bit they can. We've all done demo to something. Takes forever to clean it up.

Having saw the aftermath of Northwest Air 255 with my own eyes, and my Dad being on the ground (he worked with K-9's) when Air Canada 621 crashed in (now) Brampton, it is too bad that more people haven't actually been privy to the real deal. Going to the crash site "digging" when we were in Etobicoke was a fun activity to do. Macabre now when I think about it. They fenced it off for a while when a kid found vertebra. That's the thing. When it is real, there is always a ton left behind. It isn't pretty like Shanksville. People still go out with their metal detectors and find shards, nuts, rivets, little bits and bobs.

And with Northwest Air 255, the smell. I can still remember that smell. Mixture of gas with a heavy diesel "after taste", blood mixed with "fat" cooking (sort of like chicken or steak), and a methane/fecal "cow pasture", bloated dead animal on a hot day smell. It just stays with you. Sorry for the description, but I imagine a lot of you have experienced it too!

No one goes to the crash site right after to smell that. And if their loved ones have been recovered, why would they? Sick.

Well I answered my own question. In FakesVille, people visit the area, fly kites and pray. Good times.

[nonhocapito]

Aah, it's a pilot "suicide/murder" now

There is obviously something wrong with this picture. The sloppiness is palpable. The lightning on his head and body doesn't belong in that scenery. He's a cutout quickly placed on a Golden Gate pic. Look at those shoes floating on the wall. The low resolution is just not believable in this day and age and barely serves to mask the hatchet job.

p.s. sorry for another anagram but...: Andreas Lubitz -- "Strudel Banzai" oh c'mon