Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Anything on the news and elsewhere in the media with evidence of digital manipulation, bogus story-lines and propaganda

The Qadafi snuff film

Unread postby Sai Girl on Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:12 am

We were obviously meant to see this ..

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... afi-sodomy

Has anyone with some subject matter expertise examined this yet ?
Looks like a cellphone quality image to me.
I suppose the question of whether there's any editing, tampering, doctoring, simulation, etc. seems a moot point against the larger fact that millions around the world (and especially in the US and Europe) were MEANT to see this. Intended for its psychic effect.
So the question of whether it is real or not suddenly becomes almost banal against that background.
Its the message that counts.

(But just for my own titillation and education I would appreciate someone explaining what features indicate that it is authentic cellphone video .. or otherwise.)

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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby antipodean on Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:46 am

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An excellant analysis of what has befallen Libya.

http://www.uruknet.de/?s1=8&p=82611&s2=28

If events of the past few days are anything to go by, the UN-NATO insurgent allies are set to bring a grim, lawless, murderous and fundamentalist future to the "New Libya."

Polygamy is set to return as the disenfranchisement of women, the West’s new friend and interim leader, Mr Jalil has declared. (He didn’t put it quite like that, but the particular interpretation of Sharia Law he espouses, does.)

A country which had health, education and welfare services of which most could only dream(i) is also set to instantly revert fifty years. Flying King Idris’ flag, Libya is being plunged seamlessly back to his era of illiteracy and neglect.

It will not get better. Britain is already demanding that bombarded, bereaved, largely broken Libya, pay compensation for its "liberation." No, not satire, see:ii.

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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby warriorhun on Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:58 pm

Dear nonhocapito,

What we have to be aware of, is that the task of the Media was never to simply inform us about war. The Media's task was always to direct and influence our thinking of war. War propaganda in short.
I have to say I am not anti-war per se, I hold the view that war is sometimes the only way, but not a way we should strive for, so I am not pro-war either. War is just, you know, one of those things, IMO.

You say:
They might have learned this lesson from situations such as the Vietnam war, where all these kids felt sympathy for the Vietnamese -- instead than distance and indifference as expected from a faraway war.


Its interesting you brought up the Vietnam war. In my view it was an anti-Communist war, and I as a staunch anti-Bolshevist can only approve the idea-but, I have to admit, watching the famous newsreel when the American air force napalmed a Vietnameese village, and the little kids were running from the village scared out of their little minds, little girls horribly burned, mothers carrying their dead infants in their arms-that brought tears into my eyes and although I am a man, I am not ashamed of it.
But I do not believe it was just amateur handling of imagery. It was on purpose, the American Media back then wanted to create just that anti-war sentiment. Today, in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is different. If they wanted they could produce similar imagery. In a war you can not produce 1 million dead by regrettable accidents.

you say:
I think that in recent years the example of the Serbs works well, because during the Yugoslavian war we have been several times instructed by the media to despise and hate the Serbians, because they were guilty for all the conflicts in that war, the muss murders etc -- when in fact most of it wasn't true or was largely hyped, while the serbs themselves were and are paying the highest price for it.
Without the absurd scenes played on us by the media, such as the one of the two lovers in Sarajevo reaching for each other after having been taken down by a serb sniper, they would have had much more problems carrying the conflict on, have NATO to eventually bomb Belgrade, and most importantly tear Yugoslavia apart and buy it for pennies.
But to comment the more general and philosophical part of your post: were these feelings against the serbs as a people "psychologically and sociologically sound, logical and normal, and very-very human thinking and behaviour forms"?
Had the imagery being played on us, and the false history that was being written, been true: would our feelings of contempt and desire for revenge against the serbs have been natural and sound?


I am Hungarian. I view Serbs and Serbia as the historical enemies of my country and my people. I feel my hatred against the Serbs is totally justified.
Because of Trianon. Because of the massacres they committed against Hungarian civilians during the 1848-49 revolution and freedom-fight. Because of the massacres against Hungarian civilians by the Serb Partisans of Tito in 1945, when 40,000 ethnic Hungarians, (including women, pregnant women, little boy and girl children, teenagers, grandparents, and of course all men of fighting age by default) were massacred by the Serbs in the most brutal way: those who simply received a bullet in their heads were the lucky ones. These things are neither forgotten nor forgiven.
That the news said the Serbs are committing ethnic cleansing and war crimes? This is what Serbs do, this is what they always did, this is how they wage war, period. No big surprise for me.
However, the reaction of the West is one of hypocrisy. They created Yugoslavia in the first place, they did not care in the past when the Serbs did their ethnic cleansings, they supported them in WW2. Why acting now all shocked and surprised?
I approve the cutting up of Yugoslavia, except one thing: the Serbs still occupy Hungarian territories taken away with the 1920 Trianon Treaty, they rule over a large number of ethnic Hungarians, on 1000 years old Hungarian territories now part of Serbia. Why? Even the fucking Kosovo got independent, but Hungarians are forgotten again and nobody gives a fuck, except us. The Hungarian Government should have had the cojones to ask international approval for the liberation of that part of Hungary, not settling with a simple NATO membership to allow them to use Hungarian airspace for bombing. Or move in without international approval for all I care, to liberate that part of Hungary, Délvidék (Southern Lands). I was in the Army then, scared shitless but at the same time hoping to follow the steps of my Grandfather in WW2. It was a pipe-dream unfortunately, but you know what? I bet if we did just that, or we moved by arms into Erdély (Transsylvania, now occupied by Romania) for example, in the Media we would be portrayed as the agressors, without a single mention of Trianon.
That's my opinion on the Serbian war in short, as a Hungarian, one dislike away from the Trianon borders, two clicks away from Belgrade.

But I see what you mean. If the whole Yugoslavian affair happened after 9/11, I bet the American Special Forces would have helped the Serbs to hunt the Bosniak "jihaadists" in Bosnia-Hertzegovina, or the UCK "Al Qaeda" in Kosovo, with the Media talking about 24/7 how the creation of islamist states in the heart of Europe must be prevented at all costs. Probably the troops of Mladic would have been cheered on to eliminate the jihaadists and their helpers in Srebrenica, and it would have raised as much concern in the Western audience as the famous "convoy of death" in Afghanistan...
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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby Guerrero on Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:31 am

simonshack wrote:*

I found this picture in a photo gallery related to the Gaddafi killing...
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http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2011/10 ... 3584768/1/ (picture 19 out of 25)

Should we expect those rebels and their pick-up vans storming Wala Street anytime soon?... :lol: :P :wacko:


LMAO. Riiiiiggghhhttt. Cuz libyans are so concerned with US "protest movements" against "wall(a) street"... cooommmmeee on. 1 year ago...Libya's a fairly closed off country that b y all accounts I've heard was quite socialist. Libyans were all doing pretty okee dokee economically. The only negative I heard was that everyone drove old cars (like old mercedes) because if you were ostentatious with any wealth, gaddafhi would sweep in and nationalize your assets. But that's not too big a trade off for getting a hefty paycheck from the government every month for doing nothing other than being libyan. A globe trekker episode I saw maybe one to two years back where the english dude visits libya depicted a closed country with minimal tourism but very friendly and stable...so yeah...lmao and wtf!!!
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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby Guerrero on Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:53 am

I just found this article posted on a "syrian supporter" website nonetheless, but still, I don't think I heard about this reporter before, but it speaks volumes...VOLUMES...about the media's involvement in the so-called "arab spring":

http://supportforsyria.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/al-jazeera-journalist-resigns-in-protest-of-television-broadcasting-fake-images-and-reports/

Quote from article post:
The Veteran Arab Journalist blasted the strategies adopted by some Satellite TV Channels when, for example, quoted eye-witnesses who weren’t present in Syria to eyewitness for the events and who resorted to fabrications and lies.
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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby Guerrero on Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:08 am

A report on FAKE SYRIAN PROTESTS. The people in the street they interview, eye witnesses, say things like, "there were 20 people"..."there were 10 people"... so if this is true, those could easily be the mistaravim stirring shit up. But I am sure that our "Free" "Democratic" media will write these arab news reports off as "syrian government propaganda", whereas "our" "free" "liberal" "democratic" media, always and only reports the truth, never government propaganda!!! :lol: :rolleyes:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYiHBE63dPE
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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby fbenario on Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:31 pm

A nice primer.
"Arab Spring": Spontaneous Popular Uprising or US-NATO Sponsored Psy Op?

What is different, then, about today's optimistic sounding "Arab Spring"? Basically, that ready-to-happen civil commotions and popular uprisings are purposely and maliciously being triggered by well-trained, well-financed, well-supported foreign and domestic agitators and agents, who have vested interests in destabilizing countries in that region to promote their own agendas, totally unrelated to the National Interest of the locals. They have a very different axe to grind, aligned to the interests of specific foreign powers - notably the US, UK, Israel, France, EU countries and their regional pawns in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait - where the Global Power Elite is embedded.

In fact, this is a whole new form of waging war based on PsyWar (psychological warfare), where the mainstream global media become veritable weapons of mass mental destruction of people's ability to see and understand what is really being done to them. As with all wars, its objective is conquest and control of entire countries and regions.

Modern war is waged by powerful nations on five different overlapping, holistic levels of aggression against weaker, appetizing countries, ranging from stark naked aggression to subtle subversion:

1. Military Invasion - Allows direct control by fully overthrowing and overpowering the target nation. It has one major drawback: it looks really bad on the evening news. Today, this applies to Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine; Libya is a moving target...

2. Military Coup - Identifies and supports domestic military/civilian allies and traitors willing to support a foreign power against their own people. Latin America saw US-backed coups in the 60's and 70's in Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina... Now we seem to be seeing this in Egypt.

3. Financial Coup - Banking cartels corner any government they please to do "the Global Power Elite's bidding or else..!" Examples: Argentina's 2001/2 collapse, preceded by Mexico (1997), Russia (1998), Brazil (1999). Today: Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Iceland... Instead of tanks, they use the IMF, World Bank, US Treasury, ECB...

4. Political Coup - Flexibly uses combinations of "crises" to impose unelected governments such as Trilateralists Mario Monti in Italy, and Lucas Papademos in Greece...

5. Social Coup - Today's PsyWar. First you map out internal social grievances and woes, strife and ancestral hatreds, then you pin the fault on a suitable scapegoat/patsy, then you support and arm domestic and foreign agitators and "freedom fighters", ensuring that the Western Media clearly tell the world who are the "good guys" and who the "bad guys". Today, the "Arab Spring". Tomorrow, maybe we'll see "Latin American Springs" or "South East Asian Springs..." or "Former Soviet Republics Springs..." Many countries today fit one of these categories and/or a combination of several of them, escalating to/descending from one to another. Egypt began as a "Category 5" and escalated to a "Category 2". Libya also began as a "Category 5" and was bombed into a veritable "Category 1". "

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27839
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Back to Tahir - Phase 2 of the "Revolution"

Unread postby gwynned on Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:46 pm

Is it me or is it a bit strange to be launching fireworks in the middle of a protest?

And what's with the lighting. They look like movie lights deliberately placed there to light up the crowd. And finally, WHO is arriving in that car at the end?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNn690QRiug
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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby warriorhun on Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:45 am

Dear All,

I found a very interesting article (it is in Hungarian language):
http://tudatbazis.hu/leleplezo-anyag-a- ... eskuvesrol

The article is about a French journalist, name Thierry Meyssan who made an interview on Syrian TV on the 6th of October 2011. In the interview-according to the article-he pretty much exposes the Media fakery, visual trickery, and Media lies during the Libyan war and the Syrian events!

I became interested about the original video of the interview on which the article was based. So now I am trying to find the video the article is refering to with English subtitles if such exists, or perhaps an English translation in text/article format, in order to share it with you. (I couldn't find such yet, so I'd be happy if you perhaps could help me with it.)

I think I have found a French version of the story with the video here: http://www.voltairenet.org/Al-Jazeera-p ... de-fausses

And an Italian language version here: http://www.voltairenet.org/Al-Jazeera-p ... elle-false
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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby fbenario on Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:03 am

warriorhun wrote:French journalist, name Thierry Meyssan who made an interview on Syrian TV on the 6th of October 2011. In the interview-according to the article-he pretty much exposes the Media fakery, visual trickery, and Media lies during the Libyan war and the Syrian events!

When a friend gave me his Pentagate book I began to question the official 9/11 story. I don't remember him talking about the 9/11 movie shown on TV that day, though.

http://www.amazon.com/Pentagate-Thierry-Meyssan/dp/2912362768/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1322269286&sr=1-1
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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby nonhocapito on Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:27 am

As boston.com flips out the "pictures of the year" on its "pig picture" pages (worth a visit, if you're into vomiting during the holidays), I run into this one from the libyan "conflict" that I think we missed.

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From http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/1 ... t_iii.html

the picture is so captioned: "National Transitional Council fighters fire against Muammar Khadafi troops in the town of Sirte, Oct. 10, 2011, as they move in against the strongman's remaining diehards."

So, this is supposed to be a battle scene.

With a guitarist.
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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby pov603 on Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:32 am

Hey can't you see that the guy is El Mariachi?
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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby reel.deal on Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:57 pm


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu4Hnbor9rI
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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby Maat on Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:04 pm

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http://youtu.be/0A7lGXylXz0

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Re: Egypt 'Revolution'- all the way to Libya 'War'

Unread postby Guerrero on Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:13 am

nonhocapito wrote:As boston.com flips out the "pictures of the year" on its "pig picture" pages (worth a visit, if you're into vomiting during the holidays), I run into this one from the libyan "conflict" that I think we missed.

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From http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/1 ... t_iii.html

the picture is so captioned: "National Transitional Council fighters fire against Muammar Khadafi troops in the town of Sirte, Oct. 10, 2011, as they move in against the strongman's remaining diehards."

So, this is supposed to be a battle scene.

With a guitarist.


LMFAO....that's one of the funniest pics yet!!! Hey maaannn, he's just a libyan folk singer, who's like, all about the real deal maaaannn, wants to feel "in the 'revolutionary' groove" in order to enhance the "realness" of his tunes dude....
:wacko: ;) :blink: :rolleyes:
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