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Re: Engineering disease

Unread postby HonestlyNow on Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:56 pm

patrix » December 16th, 2018, 5:44 pm wrote:>You did not inform me about ketosis at all because you are still stuck in the old paradigm.

I vote you stay out of this subject Kham because in these matters you seem to be acting like a disinformant. Not saying it's intentional. Human metabolism is pretty well charged you know, just as the stars above and to come strolling with "a new paradigm" on that without anything to refer to except maybe some YouTuber. Well that's just plain silly. Leave it a rest I'd say.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread postby Observer on Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:05 am

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Re: Engineering Nutrition

Unread postby SacredCowSlayer on Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:11 pm

HonestlyNow » December 21st, 2018, 8:43 am wrote:
. . .

I was going to post this in the Derailing Room, due to the contentious nature of my writing, but I see that it is now locked. I will not apologize. I expected no less from this member.



Dear HonestlyNow,

To address your point above (re the Derailing Room, which I think should remain locked), I have created a place for such exchanges here. Please feel free to PM if you have any questions.
I will remove this post to the Derailing Room by the end of the day.

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Re: The "Numerology" Conspiracy Theory About 9/11

Unread postby Quift on Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:42 am

It is sad to see that you stopped this discussion in its tracks, as this is onw of the major parts of the magical ritual known as 911.

The numerology is of course only one aspect of this work, with astrology (the twins setting (falling of the horizon), in perfect synch with the two twin towers, in perfect opposition with Pluto, planet of death, destruction and beginnigs), tarot symbolism (major arcana 18, the towers, with the jumpers), and all of this on the first day of the new millenium in the ancient Coptic calendar, which of course has its uses in most hermetic traditions, given the bkrthplace of the western magical tradition (the pyramids are not only pretty).

It takes quite a lot of knowledge of esoteric subjecta and the western esoteric tradition, with its blend of astrology, numerology, kabbalah, freemasonry, liturgy, and ritual magic to decode all thelements, but for most mages, 911 is an obvious magical ritual.

As all the fakery you guys are exposing. It is all ritual. It is a "reality set". All of it relies on symbolism, liturgy, mass hypnosis, and the manipulation of consciousness, which is the primary force of our reality (as shown in lab experiments, double slits just being the starting point, if anyone here still clings to materialism that is a just another veil, another trick).

A good source for the more occult aspects of this event. With basic primers on esoteric philosophy from someone who isn't a frothing christian, nor a new age apologist.

911
https://youtu.be/DwVNI8OTDZA

Introduction into esoteric philosophy
https://youtu.be/0f_VwL4CSiQ
https://youtu.be/Qw49e0FKMYM

The occult symbolism behind the jfk assassination
https://youtu.be/6OicQm70JKY

Staged rituals and ritual initiations (what the 911 ritual seems to have been)
https://youtu.be/fV4uZY4Eq2Q

And for a deeper dive (this is an area of study that requires lifetimes to master. Alchemy is the royal art, dipping your toes is work. It is not for nothing that it is called "the great work", the magnum opus.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... 4llPYBhc9j
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Re: The "Numerology" Conspiracy Theory About 9/11

Unread postby Quift on Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:58 am

Nathan Draco » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:59 pm wrote:Probably best to stick with calling them con-artists or tricksters because they use trickery and deception to persuade and control the masses.

Even though what you're saying about the definition "black magic" may be true, you must understand that most people do not view it that way. Like Hoi Polloi said, we need to appeal to the common man's understanding to speak with them efficiently because honestly people will be immediately turned off by the thought of you suggesting they have magical powers and will COMPLETELY disregard everything you said even if what's said is true.

In a way it's like trying to use big, not well-known, words around friends and they're stuck trying to comprehend what the hell you meant when you could have used simpler wording.

Take the path of least resistance my friend


No.

The "it is a huge magic trick, played on you", is the truth. People need the truth, and not half truths.

Or is this supposed to be a half truth forum?
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Re: The "Numerology" Conspiracy Theory About 9/11

Unread postby SacredCowSlayer on Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:03 pm

Quift » January 12th, 2019, 3:58 am wrote:
Nathan Draco » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:59 pm wrote:Probably best to stick with calling them con-artists or tricksters because they use trickery and deception to persuade and control the masses.

Even though what you're saying about the definition "black magic" may be true, you must understand that most people do not view it that way. Like Hoi Polloi said, we need to appeal to the common man's understanding to speak with them efficiently because honestly people will be immediately turned off by the thought of you suggesting they have magical powers and will COMPLETELY disregard everything you said even if what's said is true.

In a way it's like trying to use big, not well-known, words around friends and they're stuck trying to comprehend what the hell you meant when you could have used simpler wording.

Take the path of least resistance my friend


No.

The "it is a huge magic trick, played on you", is the truth. People need the truth, and not half truths.

Or is this supposed to be a half truth forum?


And,

Quift » January 12th, 2019, 3:42 am wrote:It is sad to see that you stopped this discussion in its tracks, as this is onw of the major parts of the magical ritual known as 911.

. . .

It takes quite a lot of knowledge of esoteric subjecta and the western esoteric tradition, with its blend of astrology, numerology, kabbalah, freemasonry, liturgy, and ritual magic to decode all thelements, but for most mages, 911 is an obvious magical ritual.

. . .

With basic primers on esoteric philosophy from someone who isn't a frothing christian, nor a new age apologist.

[bold inserted by SCS for emphasis]


Dear Quift,

That’s quite a leap to suggest this forum is about half truths. And it’s unnecessarily antagonistic. I smell trouble brewing here. Moreover, your use of “[i]t is sad,” quoted above, stands out to me as strange. If it had been “stopped. . . in its tracks,” rest assured you wouldn’t be able to post on this topic.

If/when you have something to add, well. . . just say it. No need to bemoan the things expressed by those who have been here a long time. It’s not like we asked you to search our forum for the things you find “sad,” so you can go about setting us straight. You asked to join. Remember?

Also, regardless of the religion, we don’t permit the outright disparagement of people such as your wildly throwing out the phrase “frothing christian.” That is also unnecessarily provocative. I doubt there is a type of forum disruption (deliberate or not) that I’m unfamiliar with at this point, and you are dinging the flag poles pretty quickly here.

I’m going to place you back in the “newly registered users” group for now. Perhaps I activated your account prematurely. There is a certain decorum here that appears to be lost on you.

Come on back to the initial “Introduce Yourself to the Administrators” topic, and let’s take it from there.

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Re: Einstein and other gods of science

Unread postby patrix on Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:25 am

[Admin Note (SCS): I removed the paragraph quoted below. That should therefore render any comment about it MOOT. I think that’s a fair compromise, and a small price to pay for some peace and order here.]

ICfreely wrote:Now I’m no “Einstein” but that sounds like a bunch of weird zionce to me. Could it be that maybe, just maybe, the body's use of glucose (in areas of inflammations, tumors, etc.) is indicative of the importance of glucose in the healing process? It's a wonder how people managed to live long healthy lives prior to this “marvelous” medical technology.


Fascinating thought Dear ICreely. That glucose could be important in the healing process. So your hypothesis is then that it should be beneficial to consume glucose? This clarification is important to me because as you know since you claim to be knowledgeable in medicine, the body can make glucose in a process called glycogenesis. Carbohydrates (including glucose) are in fact non essential to the body since it can produce the glucose that it needs out of fat and protein.

I find this hypothesis of yours very unlikely however (if it suggests consuming glucose) and it completely goes against the now growing understanding within medicine that it is in fact excessive carbohydrate intake (including glucose) that drives inflammation and many diseases including cancer.

Apologies for bringing up medicine in this thread, but I couldn't help myself commenting the radical idea ICFreely put forward here.

And I'm no Einstein either which I'm proud of. :)
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Re: Einstein and other gods of science

Unread postby ICfreely on Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:20 pm

And I'm no Einstein either which I'm proud of. :)


Well I’m glad we can finally agree on something.

Fascinating thought Dear ICreely. That glucose could be important in the healing process.


Why thank you, my dear partix. It’s just a thought though.



Your Honor, may I have permission to treat Mr. Patrix as a hostile witness?



So your hypothesis is then that it should be beneficial to consume glucose?


I never said that, so please refrain from putting words into my mouth.

…since you claim to be knowledgeable in medicine…


Nice try, patrix, but I believe I’ve already addressed your straw man fallacy.

… while you avoid to say anything on the actual research even though you claim authority on medical knowledge.


If I gave you the impression that I’m an authority on medical knowledge, then I apologize. Rest assured I’m not an authority on any form of knowledge.


Speaking of St. Seyfried’s actual research:

Dr. Gonzalez Dismantles the Ketogenic Diet For Cancer
...
So, what evidence does Dr. Seyfried himself provide to prove his point that the best diet for all cancer patients, whatever the type, is the ketogenic, high fat, no carb diet? Well, very little. Certainly the 400 plus pages of elaborate biochemistry and theory are impressive and informative. But in terms of practicalities, that is, results with actual human patients diagnosed with cancer, there is next to no evidence.

Dr. Seyfried does include a chapter toward the book’s end entitled “Case Studies and Personal Experiences in using the Ketogenic Diet for Cancer Management.” Here, Dr. Seyfried provides a description of a pilot study, written by the investigators themselves, discussing the use of the ketogenic diet in children with inoperable brain cancer. However, the authors admit the study was intended only to evaluate the diet’s tolerability and effect on glucose metabolism as determined by PET scanning, not treatment benefit or survival.

As the authors write, “the protocol was not designed to reverse tumor growth or treat specific types of cancer.” The researchers also acknowledge the patient numbers were too small to allow for meaningful statistical evaluation, even for the avowed purposes. Overall, the discussion centers on the practicalities of implementing the diet and the results of the PET scans.
...
-Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez, MD

This article originally appeared on Natural Health 365.

https://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/dr-gonzalez-dismantles-ketogenic-diet-for-cancer/


In my previous post, I pointed out the limitations, if not uselessness, of PET scans vis-à-vis “cancer.” As usual, in your zealous attempt to defend your guru, you jump to false (positive) conclusions. Moreover, the late Nicholas Gonzalez provided plenty of detailed criticism of St. Seyfried’s research in the above article that you’ve obviously decided to ignore.

So if a researcher comes along with evidence that glucose, the main energy we can get from plants, is promoting or rather feeding cancer, this will be disregarded.


If you understood the machinations behind PET scans, you’d realize that his so called evidence falls in line with oncological orthodoxy. That there’s nothing “groundbreaking” about it.

I find this hypothesis of yours very unlikely however (if it suggests consuming glucose) and it completely goes against the now growing understanding within medicine that it is in fact excessive carbohydrate intake (including glucose) that drives inflammation and many diseases including cancer.


I for one, refuse to avoid consuming, in moderation, sugar (glucose) especially fruits (fructose) because of the now growing (like a malignant tumor) [mis]understanding within allopathic medicine.

I’m afraid my diagnosis (Terminal Seyfriedosis) still stands. Under the informed consent principle you have every right to refuse my recommended course of treatment (Thomasectomy).

Apologies for bringing up medicine in this thread, but I couldn't help myself commenting the radical idea ICFreely put forward here.


Apology accepted, dear parix. But seeing as your disease is contagious I’m going to have to kindly ask you to refrain from infecting this thread with Seyfriedosis. Diet dogma debates should be addressed at a future space-time in the “Engineering Nutrition” thread and quarantined therein. If not, then the bailiff will be forced to remove us from (and lock) this thread as well.
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Re: Einstein and other gods of science

Unread postby SacredCowSlayer on Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:32 pm

Alright my dear friends. I edited the post above (to remove the comment about glucose, which apparently restarted the whole thing. . . again) that I myself approved and posted upon the request of ICfreely.

My final thought (on how to deal with this) before I move this post (and the two previous ones) to the Derailing Room.

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I’m officially declaring you guys (vital and invaluable Members- both of you) at an impasse.

Please now, let’s move along.
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