Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby I, Gestalta on September 27th, 2013, 8:35 am

I find that the most beneficial method of passing along a positive or beneficial message through lyrical work is to speak from the perspective of curiosity and unknowing---questioning, or pontificating/musing topically. Rather than inundating people with information (which can also be good, if done well), I find that it is initially a better idea to stimulate thought by challenging your audience to think about any given subject within its own context. Underground hip-hop is especially ripe for this sort of expression.

For instance:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOikMweMjK0

I should note that DFD is quite lyrical, and tends to use a lot of clever wordplay which may or may not come across during initial listening.

Example:

"these messages I'm riddlin' (masking) 'cuz I'm fixin' to get popped (killed)"

"these messages---I'm ritalin (for your concentration/focus) 'cuz I'm fixin' to get popped (like a pill and/or medicine)"

Etc...
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby Rudy Algera on September 27th, 2013, 9:19 am

It is autumn in Holland. Time for the evergreen song Autumn Leaves sung by Nat King Cole or Yves Montand or Doris Day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEMCeymW1Ow
Could someone more talented at this sort of thing than I am write new lyrics to that wellknown tune, something along the lines of

September Clues
Of Simon Shack
And hoi polloi
Bring you the news

That the "news" you hear
See and read
Is all crap that's meant
To deceive...
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby dblitz on October 2nd, 2013, 5:49 pm

Very interesting thread. I always thought the french Canadian prog thrash band Voivod had some great lyrics, and one of the first bands to use CGI for their covers, designed by the drummer 'Away.' You would never have heard them on the radio. There was nothing else like it when I discovered them in 89.

Technocratic Manipulators - album: "Dimension Hatross" (1988)

I've passed the entry of the system
They taught me with an anthem
It seems like I'm one of them
A kind of people I can't describe
They got a number between their eyes
Identity has been commanded
Subconscious has recorded
The orders from the big head
I'm now a part of this machine
Supervised by the telescreen
That's not for me, too much for me
That's all for me
And they're going nowhere
To find better somewhere
But can't get out of there
During the night my soul is hearing
Usual advertising
Message that I'm still learning
One thousand times it's a routine
Should be enough to fall asleep
That's not for me, too much for me
That's all for me
And they're going nowhere
To find better somewhere
But can't get out of there
Is it the same message
For the preconceived children ?
Let me know, before I go...
Death of their liberty
Feeds the supremacy
Under hypnosis I take a walk
Controlled people have to stop
Robotic voice starts to talk
Why we must be listening
I think we all had the same dreams
And they're going nowhere
To find better somewhere
But can't get out of there
I'd rather think
But there's something strong
I'd rather think
But there's something wrong
I'd rather think (6)
I'd rather think
Coz my mind despairs
I'd rather think
Coz I can't live there
I'd rather think...think !


---

None Of The Above - album: "Angel Rat" (1991)

we'll be back, right after this!

following the story
on my monitor
no more saving glory
only flat colors
black and white distortion
back and forth all day
a fine-tuned deception
I am shocked in waves

it just brings me down

looks just like the same song
and the same old dance
who is right? what is wrong?
where's the second chance?
storm the desert home-land
this one's gone too far
we hold peace in one hand
in the other...war!

it just brings me down

so, every channel's the same
same weird game show quiz
what future? for who's gain?
and the answer is?
A. global destruction
B. blown-up in flames
C. polluted oceans
D. seas of disease

none of the above!
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby simonshack on July 9th, 2014, 5:19 pm

*

CHEEKY PETER'S TOWERING MILLENNIUM SHOW

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"The Millennium Dome, colloquially referred to simply as The Dome, is the original name of a large dome-shaped building, originally used to house the Millennium Experience, a major exhibition celebrating the beginning of the third millennium. Located on the Greenwich Peninsula in South East London, England, the exhibition was open to the public from 1 January to 31 December 2000. With music composed by Peter Gabriel and an acrobatic cast of 160, the Millennium Dome Show was performed 999 times over the course of the year". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Dome


Alright, so I was just made aware that one of my teenage music idols, Peter Gabriel, performed the following three songs in close succession for the inauguration of the Millennium Dome - on 1/1/ 2000 ( with all British "dignitaries" in attendance, the Queen, the Blair witch - and all...) :

- "The Tower that Ate People"
- "Downside-Up"
- "White Ashes


So let us have some fun and sing along to some lyrics I've selected from those three songs (for the full lyrics, just go to the provided links). Ready? Here we go:

PeterGabriel wrote:"The Tower That Ate People"

There's a bump in the basement
There's a knocking on the wall
In the pumping of the pistons
I swear I heard your call
There's a rumble in the floorboards
No shutting out the sound
And the workers are below me digging underground
Feel the building all around me
Like a wrap of armored skin
But the more we are protected
The more we're trapped within

Tell it like it is
Till there's no misunderstanding
Make up what you like

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/petergab ... eople.html


Ok, now let's sing along with the next song that Peter performed that day. I want you all to sing along loud and clear, ok ?

PeterGabriel wrote:"Downside-Up"

I looked up at the tallest building
Felt it falling down
I could feel my balance shifting
Everything was moving around
These streets so fixed and solid
Ah shimmering haze
And everything that I relied on disappeared

Downside up, upside down
Take my weight from the ground
Falling deep in the sky
Slipping in the unknown
All the strangers look like family
All the family looks so strange
The only constant I am sure of
Is this accelerating rate of change

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/petergab ... ideup.html


Enjoying it? Good. Let's now sing along to the next song that Peter performed on 1/1 2000, for the New Millennium Celebrations:

PeterGabriel wrote:"White Ashes"

Mamma's little boy has fallen down,
Mamma's little boy has hit the ground.
Now he's gone, Ion is gone,
his time is done.

So well, pretend it's all well conceived,
Build solid as steel, stuff we believe.

The weight of a dream can take you down.
The weight of a dream can take you down.

White, white ashes, building crashes down.
White, white ashes, building crashes down.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/petergab ... ashes.html



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89zus4DI4VU

"White, white ashes, building crashes down..."
Catchy line, huh? And sooo very fitting for the coming Millennium ! Peter Gabriel - an artist truly ahead of his time... <_<

I don't know about you - but this "trilogy of falling building songs" (performed by Mr. Gabriel in close succession on 1/1 2000) reminds of Ian Fleming's famous saying: "Once is coincidence. Twice is happenstance. Three times is enemy action."

****
A tip of the hat to Aralsea over at http://www.fakeologist.com - for finding this article by Sandra Barr :
http://truthseeker444.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... -2000.html


Just bumped into this... :mellow:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=536eA8thJkA
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby brianv on July 9th, 2014, 6:36 pm

I wanna be a sledgehammer
I know what I'd do

Who is Ian? Was there a britvic :D styled "Ian"

Asshole :angry:
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby antipodean on July 10th, 2014, 10:59 am

Bit of a Peter Gabriel fan myself, not forgetting his once Royal connections. Peter Gabriel is also the former son in law of the Queen's private secretary Sir Philip Moore (by his marriage to daughter Jill Moore), ending in 1989 after 18 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Moo ... Wolvercote

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... z378F6wQdU


Have to agree with Sandra Barr, some of the songs are woeful. So woeful that maybe he is trying to tell people something. A la Kubrick via the Shining and the fake Apollo 11 moon landings.
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby Pilgrim on July 11th, 2014, 12:11 am

Yes, i grew up on this stuff. Genesis with Peter Gabriel were just sublime. Who can forget the crazy time signatures such as Apocalypse in a 9/8 from "Supper's Ready" or the shifting time signatures in "The Lamb lies down On Broadway" concept album. These guys were like in their early 20s and were like masterclass musicians. Personally i think Rush and Genesis were the very best rock bands and rock musicians on the planet. Shame they seem owned as they were a class way above the Norm with the amazing melodies, song structures and musicianship with a mix of soft and hard to make the hard harder and the soft softer.

Just listen to first 9 minutes of the Genesis album "The lamb lies down on Broadway" from 1974.
Lyrics:
And the lamb lies down on Broadway.
Early morning Manhattan,
Ocean winds blow on the land.
The Movie-Palace is now undone,
The all-night watchmen have had their fun.
Sleeping cheaply on the midnight show,
It's the same old ending-time to go.
Get out!
It seems they cannot leave their dream.
There's something moving in the sidewalk steam,
And the lamb lies down on Broadway.
Nightime's flyers feel their pains.
Drugstore takes down the chains.
Metal motion comes in bursts,
But the gas station can quench that thirst.
Suspension cracked on unmade road
The trucker's eyes read 'Overload'
And out on the subway,
Rael Imperial Aerosol Kid
Exits into daylight, spraygun hid,
And the lamb lies down on Broadway.
The lamb seems right out of place,
Yet the Broadway street scene finds a focus in its face.
Somehow it's lying there,
Brings a stillness to the air.
Though man-made light, at night is very bright,
There's no whitewash victim,
As the neons dim, to the coat of white.
Rael Imperial Aerosol Kid,
Wipes his gun-he's forgotten what he did,
And the lamb lies down on Broadway.
Suzanne tired her work all done,
Thinks money-honey-be on-neon.
Cabman's velvet glove sounds the horn
And the sawdust king spits out his scorn.
Wonder women draw your blind!
Don't look at me! I'm not your kind.
I'm Rael!
Something inside me has just begun,
Lord knows what I have done,
And the lamb lies down on Broadway.
On Broadway-
They say the lights are always bright on Broadway.
They say there's always magic in the air.

Fly on a Windshield / Broadway Melody
There's something solid forming in the air,
The wall of death is lowered in Times Square.
No-one seems to care,
They carry on as if nothing was there.
The wind is blowing harder now,
Blowing dust into my eyes.
The dust settles on my skin,
Making a crust I cannot move in
And I'm hovering like a fly, waiting for the windshield on the freeway.
Echoes of the Broadway Everglades,
With her mythical madonnas still walking in their shades:
Lenny Bruce, declares a truce and plays his other hand.
Marshall McLuhan, casual viewin', head buried in the sand.
Sirens on the rooftops wailing, but there's no ship sailing.
Groucho, with his movies trailing, stands alone with his punchline failing.
Klu Klux Klan serve hot soul food and the band plays 'In the Mood'
The cheerleader waves her cyanide wand, there's a smell of
peach blossom and bitter almonde.
Caryl Chessman sniffs the air and leads the parade, he know in a scent,
you can bottle all you made.
There's Howard Hughes in blue suede shoes, smiling at the majorettes
smoking Winston Cigarettes.
And as the song and dance begins, the children play at home
with needles; needles and pins.
Funny the way the last section of the second song finishes at 9:11 into the next section on the word "pins" the last word in my lyrics post.

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRSgvfNZcWA

Rush 2112:
We've taken care of everything
The words you read, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
It's one for all and all for one
We work together, common sons
Never need to wonder how or why

We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls

Look around at this world we've made
Equality our stock in trade
Come and join the Brotherhood of Man
Oh, what a nice, contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand

We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls. Etc


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9J3myskBsE Amazingly structured melodic rock music from so soft to so heavy.
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby Cobra Commander on August 9th, 2014, 9:11 am

I believe Jim Morrison was the first simonshack."You're all fucking slaves", "Adolf Hitler is alive and well and living in Miami" and " Whoever controls the media controls the mind". While the Hitler thing may (?) have been extreme, we know the rest to be true. We also know his dad was a high ranking commander involved in Gulf of Goblin. Jim tried to tell people the reality and nobody really listened.
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby hoi.polloi on August 10th, 2014, 6:32 am

Cobra Commander wrote:I believe Jim Morrison was the first simonshack."You're all fucking slaves", "Adolf Hitler is alive and well and living in Miami" and " Whoever controls the media controls the mind". While the Hitler thing may (?) have been extreme, we know the rest to be true. We also know his dad was a high ranking commander involved in Gulf of Goblin. Jim tried to tell people the reality and nobody really listened.


I find the Laurel Canyon stuff by Dave McGowan fairly important as a work, when discussing this subject. Frank Zappa, Charles Manson, Jim Morrison and a whole slew of others had military parents and/or connections they may have been rebelling against — and maybe benefiting from or influenced by, but certainly existing amongst. Our formative years tend to define us in very strong and largely mysterious ways. Having military parents may upset these people as teenagers, but it may also be unavoidable that the mentality of said military people does have some effect on their children that forever stays with them, even long into adulthood.

To be less annoyingly vague, yes — Jim Morrison may have done his best, in his own twisted way, of trying to wake people up on some level. I find it hard to be unbiased in the topic, as I find it hard to remove myself from my musical tastes. How utterly boring, grating, almost oppressive sounding and scary is some of this music, if it was meant to wake people up. An earnest question, not meant to be sarcastic: do you feel The Doors actually opened any "doors" for people — doors to really useful perspectives rather than dead-end materialistic, pain-romancing rooms filled with a drug haze?

Jim never released a book or movie about media fakery, did he? That would have been nice.
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby Cobra Commander on August 11th, 2014, 5:53 am

hoi.polloi wrote:
Cobra Commander wrote:I believe Jim Morrison was the first simonshack."You're all fucking slaves", "Adolf Hitler is alive and well and living in Miami" and " Whoever controls the media controls the mind". While the Hitler thing may (?) have been extreme, we know the rest to be true. We also know his dad was a high ranking commander involved in Gulf of Goblin. Jim tried to tell people the reality and nobody really listened.


I find the Laurel Canyon stuff by Dave McGowan fairly important as a work, when discussing this subject. Frank Zappa, Charles Manson, Jim Morrison and a whole slew of others had military parents and/or connections they may have been rebelling against — and maybe benefiting from or influenced by, but certainly existing amongst. Our formative years tend to define us in very strong and largely mysterious ways. Having military parents may upset these people as teenagers, but it may also be unavoidable that the mentality of said military people does have some effect on their children that forever stays with them, even long into adulthood.

To be less annoyingly vague, yes — Jim Morrison may have done his best, in his own twisted way, of trying to wake people up on some level. I find it hard to be unbiased in the topic, as I find it hard to remove myself from my musical tastes. How utterly boring, grating, almost oppressive sounding and scary is some of this music, if it was meant to wake people up. An earnest question, not meant to be sarcastic: do you feel The Doors actually opened any "doors" for people — doors to really useful perspectives rather than dead-end materialistic, pain-romancing rooms filled with a drug haze?

Jim never released a book or movie about media fakery, did he? That would have been nice.

That's a good question. My thinking is the crowd sort of took it as an insult when he called them slaves and said Hitler was a neighbor of theirs. So, I'm not sure if he opened up any doors back then, cause he was ahead of his time on introducing media fakery to people. As for now, some people that are starting to wake up may watch the Doors movie and go hmmm...

As for Jim writing a book, the Doors movie shows him recording an audio book, so maybe it's something worth digging for to see if he gave any other info on what he may have known.

It's funny you mention Manson. Even before I was keyed in on fakery, finding out Manson was born where I'm from, and then reading about the gypsy backstory seemed silly even back then.
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby hoi.polloi on August 11th, 2014, 2:57 pm

Cobra Commander wrote:As for Jim writing a book, the Doors movie shows him recording an audio book, so maybe it's something worth digging for to see if he gave any other info on what he may have known.


That is interesting. Hmm.
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby lux on August 11th, 2014, 5:40 pm

Cobra Commander wrote: My thinking is the crowd sort of took it as an insult when he called them slaves ...


Zappa made similar comments. I was at one of his concerts in the 1970s. During the set he stopped playing and told the audience he wanted to show us something. Then he asked everyone to do a series of actions like raise your arms, stand on one leg, shout silly phrases, etc, etc. The audience complied with his instructions, laughing all along. Then he ended the exercise by telling everyone they were morons for doing anything they were told to do.

Though I didn't disagree with him in theory, I don't think it woke me up to anything that I wasn't already aware of. It just made me think Zappa was an asshole. It seemed to have a similar effect on the others.

I was a rock musician in the 1960s-70s in the San Francisco Bay Area, and music was extremely important to me. Though I never saw The Doors in person (they were an L.A. band mostly) I had the same sort of vibe from Morrison as from Zappa. I also thought their music was crap but I guess that's beside the point.

I was a close friend of a musician who became well known as part of a famous rock band from that era (please don't ask who, it's a privacy issue with me, sorry) and he was very aware of the hidden control that was going on (as described in the LC articles by McGowan). We used to talk about that sort of stuff and many other things. His father too was part of the intelligence community in some capacity. I think some people here don't believe the whole trauma based mind control thing that is attributed to the members of this clique but I believe it. I've seen my friends scars and heard his stories about things he was subjected to which he let slip from time to time. (Sorry, to bring up an unverifiable personal anecdote but you are under no obligation to believe it and I wouldn't blame you if you didn't.) Anyway, my point is that although these characters may well have been aware of what was going on and may have made somewhat revealing remarks to the public about it they were still a part of it and were being paid well for what they were doing. Payment which they willingly accepted. In other words, they are not heroes in my book.
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby hoi.polloi on August 11th, 2014, 5:48 pm

lux wrote:
Cobra Commander wrote: My thinking is the crowd sort of took it as an insult when he called them slaves ...


Zappa made similar comments. I was at one of his concerts in the 1970s. During the set he stopped playing and told the audience he wanted to show us something. Then he asked everyone to do a series of actions like raise your arms, stand on one leg, shout silly phrases, etc, etc. The audience complied with his instructions, laughing all along. Then he ended the exercise by telling everyone they were morons for doing anything they were told to do.

Though I didn't disagree with him in theory, I don't think it woke me up to anything that I wasn't already aware of. It just made me think Zappa was an asshole. It seemed to have a similar effect on the others.


I see what you mean. Thanks for sharing that. I interpret Zappa's shtick to be a bit more than the act of telling people what to do. He is telling people what they want to do — what they want to be given permission to do in concert, or permission to be told what to do. It's a bit of a sadomasochistic thing that has to do with the slave-master relationship we are all in. I interpret his comment at the end to be merely another ironic statement. The audience does not have to think of itself as morons because of the safe context given to the instructions: since one is there to have fun and "freak out" as he often tried to make clear, the instructions are dumb. The "we" there choose to do what "he" said out of free will — out of the fun of it all. Zappa is subtly calling himself a moron for taking the position of the elite: for basically saying, "you believe me that I have the right to call you morons, even though each of you knows why you just followed my instructions."

By making his statement as ironic as the instructions, he is basically instructing people not to believe him. To realize they are not morons, and they have free will that they can observe and exercise. I thought he was brilliant for playing that little trick. There is definitely the overt statements he has made about people being absolutely stupid, but throughout it all, he has implied that it is a situation we cannot escape, it is an attitude you are meant to be repulsed by. He rewards his audience for being skeptical of him, and I think that is a rather heroic aspect of his multi-faceted entertainment.
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby lux on August 11th, 2014, 6:10 pm

^ Yes, those points are not lost on me and to Zappa's credit he did record his "I'm the Slime" tune about the media. I guess I just have mixed feelings about his methods. For example, his "Be a Jerk, Go to Work" line can easily be misinterpreted. In one way it carries a lot of truth (don't be an obedient slave for the oppressor) but someone can easily interpret it as promoting the idea of doing nothing. Things like this muddy the waters, IMO.
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Re: Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

Postby hoi.polloi on August 11th, 2014, 10:50 pm

You are totally entitled to your opinion, and what's more I really respect your opinion in this case.

What I think is that Zappa aligns with me alright but it could easily muddy the waters for a lot of people. Not because they 'just don't get it' but because it is a message that truly doesn't jibe with them. In my opinion, miscommunication is not just on the edge of deception but almost totally eclipses it in a Venn diagram of their similarities. As such, it is sometimes hard to tell when someone is being ineffective on purpose, because they are gleefully stubborn to correction (or I guess stoic) or purely ignorant. Zappa seems like a very stubborn and/or stoic man to me.

For some people who dislike Alex Jones, they classify him in the 'purely ignorant' camp. But for me, I really don't know. He might be a more stoic type or even 'ineffective on purpose' if you believe he conveniently forgets where he gets his funding from.
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