Vaccinations: The Medical, Legal, and Social Implications

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Re: Vaccinations: The Medical, Legal, and Social Implication

Unread postby ICfreely on Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:25 am

I recently came across a thread titled "Do viruses exist?" over at

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Do viruses exist?
« on: 31/08/2016 02:48:51 »

I believe that viruses don't exist and nobody has ever seen a virus. The concept of the virus was first thought up when it was discovered that bacteria are not responsible for making people sick. Thus, they had to come up with a new form of germ which could account for the existence of disease. When you look at pictures of so called 'viruses' they generally all look the same. They are just tiny uniform blobs. I believe these blobs are just fugal material which has been incubated on a petri dish. The concept of a virus is illogical because viruses don't have any means of locomotion or any sensory organs. Thus, they can't protect themselves or hunt their prey. Thus, they are an illogical organism which is incapable of surviving for more than a second or two. The virus would be incapable of entering a cell wall because (a) it wouldn't be able to detect or find the cell wall. (b) It wouldn't have any means of digging a hole through the wall.

Thus, as we can plainly see, the virus is a totally illogical 'life form'. The conception of the virus is just a money making scam which provides pharmaceutical companies with the opportunity to make billions of dollars from gullible people who will buy chemical concoctions which supposedly kill said 'viruses'.

So what causes disease then? The answer is that the modern diet is responsible. Sugar, grain, dairy and alcohol are all unnatural products which the human digestive system can't cope with and many people get sick because of this. That accounts for 98% of all disease. The other 2% of disease can be blamed on consumption of fecal material, pesticides, fungicides, heavy metals and halogens. (chlorine, fluorine and bromine)

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Naked Science Forum King!

Re: Do viruses exist?

« Reply #1 on: 31/08/2016 09:36:49 »
I checked the date it is not the first of April 1 ! how did this bizarre post sneak in ?

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Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #4 on: 31/08/2016 16:56:39 »

Some people also suffer from a combination of ignorance and arrogance.

This thread appears to be focused on the thesis that virology is a conspiracy. Therefore I have moved it to the "that CAN'T be true" sub-forum, where widely accepted science can be dismissed.

Atkhenaken asked some intriguing questions only to be met with ridicule and get bombarded with posts quoting Wikipedia ad nauseum. And in less than a month the thread got locked.


Re: Do viruses exist?
« Reply #137 on: 25/09/2016 10:09:32 »

If you can't accept the science then the thread is pointless. Which I why it has been locked.

So it's a foregone conclusion that "viruses" exist. The "science" is settled. Anyone who has the temerity to question their existence will have their sanity questioned.

Why Did God Make Viruses?
by Dr. Jean Lightner on November 7, 2014

Given our current knowledge of viruses, it is quite reasonable to believe that disease-causing viruses are descended from viruses that were once not harmful.

The creation model predicts that degenerative changes can occur because mankind sinned and brought death into the world. :rolleyes:

Pot, meet kettle! :D
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Re: Vaccinations: The Medical, Legal, and Social Implication

Unread postby ICfreely on Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:39 am

Science or Ideology?

You can read the following article in its entirety and decide for yourself.

Genetic Literacy Project – Science not Ideology

Humans would not exist if viruses hadn’t intervened in our evolution
Nicholas Staropoli | November 3, 2016

In one of the most memorable scenes from the 1999 blockbuster hit The Matrix, the antagonist, Agent Smith, a sentient computer program, interrogates rebel leader Morpheus by ‘hacking’ into his brain. As Smith waits for the information he needs, he infamously compares humans to a virus:

You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.

Many interpret Smith’s monologue as a plea for environmentalism—an attempt to wake up humanity to the way we treat our planet and its natural resources. Viruses are parasites and as such are inherently bad. They cause devastating diseases—AIDS, cervical cancer, and the flu—which have led to a great deal of human suffering. Humanity has gone so far as to banish two viruses from the planet, Rinderpest and Small Pox, and are close to removing a third, polio.

But Smith’s sermon may hit a little closer to reality than even the movie’s writers, Lana [Laurence] and Lily [Andrew] Wachowski, realize. It turns out that human evolution has been strongly driven by these ‘undead,’ parasitic particles and without their intervention we might not even be here.

How viruses work

On their own viruses can’t do much and most scientists don’t count them among the living organisms of this planet. They generally operate by gaining access to the interior of a cell (human or otherwise) in order to take control of the cell’s machinery. Once in command of a cell, the viruses turn their host into a virus factory. Eventually, thousands of newly minted viruses burst out of the infected host, which move on to the next cell, and the cycle repeats.

Some viruses can incorporate their genetic material into the host’s genome. This is how, for example, the human papillomavirus virus (HPV) causes cervical cancer. HPV’s genome carries several genes that can trigger a human cell to become carcinogenic.

When viral DNA is inserted into the genome of a sperm or egg (instead of a cervical cell as is the case with HPV and cervical cancer), the sequence can be passed on to the next generation, and possibly even spread through the human gene pool. While this has happened with some frequency—researchers estimate that there are about 100,000 fragments of viruses in the human genome or over 8 percent of our DNA—most of these sequences don’t cause much of a stir. But in a few cases, their impact has been extraordinary.

Making humans human

Viruses have played a significant role in shaping many of the traits that make us unique and distinguish us from our relatives. According to Stanford University researcher David Enard, a whopping 30 percent of all protein adaptations since humans’ divergence with chimpanzees have been driven by viruses. Many of these genes are associated with immune function—which is to be expected. But Enard and his colleagues have found that many of these actually have no known or discernable immune function:

The big advancement here is that it’s not only very specialized immune proteins that adapt against viruses. Pretty much any type of protein that comes into contact with viruses can participate in the adaptation against viruses. It turns out that there is at least as much adaptation outside of the immune response as within it.

To some degree, this is to be expected. All the organisms that humans have ever interacted with throughout our evolutionary history have shaped our species. But viruses are unique because they can directly add novel genes to our gene pools. The gene for a protein called syncytin is one such case.Syncytin is made primarily by the cells of the placenta that make contact with the uterus. The protein allows these cells to fuse into a single layer which is vital to ensure the fetus can easily draw nutrients from the mother. No syncytin, no fusion. The gene for syncytin likely came from a virus where it helped viruses to fuse neighboring host cells together—allowing easier spread to neighboring cells. Scientists are certain of the viral origin of this gene because it appears in the same spot in the genomes of humans, monkeys, gorillas and chimpanzees. Furthermore, the sequences are nearly identical. The best way to explain this, scientists say, is that a virus inserted the gene into the genome of a common ancestor to these primates, and the gene was so beneficial that it has been strongly favored, and left unchanged, by natural selection ever since.

Humans have two different syncytin proteins, both thought to be viral in origin. Altogether scientists have identified six in several different mammalian species: mice, rabbits, cats and dogs. The genes are not all the identical, though, which means different viruses infected, and left behind, unique versions of these syncytin genes.

While much of the focus of these genes has been on their role in the placenta, recent findings suggest that syncytin may be important in other organs in which the fusion of cells is vital—such as muscle cells. Mice that lack one of the syncytin genes (syncytin-B to be exact) appear about 1/5th smaller than normal littermates—a phenomenon that is only seen in males. Studies of cell cultures of sheep, dogs and humans are consistent with this finding. It is still unclear how, but scientists believe that syncytin-B contributes to the differences in muscle mass between the genders.

What led to complex animals on Earth?

Another protein which also has a viral origin and is important for cell fusion is EFF-1. The gene for EFF-1, or very similar versions of it, appears in many species, including humans. This protein was initially characterized as vital for the development of the skin of the roundworm, Caenorhabditis elegans. But some scientists are beginning to think that both EFF-1 and syncytin have roles much larger than merely placenta and roundworm skin formation.

There’s a growing belief that the viral insertion of these (and maybe other) cell fusion genes into the genomes of early single-celled organisms may have been the spark that led to all multicellular life on this planet.

“That’s the gut feeling we have,” Fasseli Coulibaly from Monash University in Melbourne, Australia told New Scientist. “It’s the most enticing hypothesis but as scientists, we need to look into it. If this is true, that’s a huge advance.”

Coulibaly explains that early single-celled organisms could have clumped together, but without the ability to physically fuse they could not have formed advanced any multi-cellular life, let alone humans.

“Before cells can make something like skin or a digestive tract in nematodes – or as soon as you are thinking muscles or bones in mammals – usually you need some kind of fusion,” he has written.

Felix Rey of the Pasteur Institute in Paris, France, who has done extensive work on EFF-1’s function and structure, is on board with this hypothesis, told New Scientist, “This makes me think that viruses have contributed enormously to the communication between cells, and to the appearance of multicellular organisms on Earth.”

In a way, the role of viruses on our planet is kind of an ironic one. Most scientists agree viruses are not living, but without their intervention among the living, complex life (including us) would not exist on this planet. And when you think of them in those terms, Agent Smith’s “insult” may not be such a bad thing after all.

Nicholas Staropoli is the director of the Epigenetics Literacy Project. He has an M.A. in biology from DePaul University and a B.S. in biomedical sciences from Marist College. Follow him on Twitter @NickfrmBoston.

The GLP featured this article to reflect the diversity of news, opinion and analysis. The viewpoint is the author’s own. The GLP’s goal is to stimulate constructive discourse on challenging science issues.


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Re: Vaccinations: The Medical, Legal, and Social Implication

Unread postby patrix on Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:41 am

William Tebb on Vaccination and Leprosy

Dear Cluesforumers,

First I would like to send my thanks and recognition to two Cluesforumers – Sharpstuff and ICfreely who were able to kick me in the right direction regarding medicine and one of its basic paradigms. I now realize that the current ideas on infection, bacteria and viruses are BS. For anyone interested I highly recommend this book on the matter (which was pointed out to me by the previously mentioned gentlemen): ... asteur.pdf
The significance of this is comparable to that the Copernican model is wrong in astronomy.

And as we know, perspective is everything. So realizing as Florence Nightingale is quoted in the above book that Disease is one thing and that what we call diseases are in fact different manifestations of disease, I went to old books to see what “diseases” that was commonplace historically and how those might relate to the types “diseases” we have today. In the 19th century Leprosy was a common disease and many doctors were researching the cause and suitable treatments for this malady. One you have probably heard of is Hansen who became known for having discovered the so called Mycobacterium leprae that is thought to be the cause of Leprosy even though all experiments to strengthen this hypothesis have failed. One you probably have never heard of however is Jonathan Hutchinson. Hutchinson saw a connection between leprosy and fermented/rotten/bad foods. Especially dried, salted and fermented fish that was a very commonplace food before the invention of the refrigerator and general improvement of food production and the ability for people to have access to fresh food.

Now what if the so called western diseases (Heart disease, cancer, diabetes, demntia etc) are the same symptoms of disease that historically were called leprosy, tuberculosis, syphilis etc? And that the Nutwork have found ways to engineer our lifestyles, foods, medicine etc to bring these maladies back? If the eating of putrefied fish that contains oxidized unsaturated fat was a problem, then is it a far stretch to hypothesize that the chemically oxidized vegetable oils that are used in practically all industrial foods is a problem as well?

And this also gets interesting in terms of vaccination. A gentleman by the name of William Tebb wrote many books and pamphlets in the 19th century on the problem with vaccination and believed this practice to be a major cause of Leprosy: ... William%22

Apologies for keeping this short. I don’t have time to go into this more at the moment but still wanted to get it up on the forum and enable other to research this as well.

Regarding my previous endorsement of Thomas Seyfried who I have now realized is using a faulty paradigm - I still believe him to be an honest researcher and that his findings are correct. He has discovered that a ketogenic calorie restricted diet can reverse cancer. And if the underlying cause of cancer as well as leprosy and other diseases (except those caused by parasites), are malnutrition and toxification, then this shows that a diet high in natural fats and fasting can resolve these problems.

All the best and may reason prevail /Patrik
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