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Lemmings arent suicidal

Postby obrien on July 12th, 2010, 4:49 am

The 1958 Disney documentary into lemmings that won the academy award. Footage of lemmings jumping off cliffs was later found out to be faked. Edited version just showing the fake footage.. very funny although maybe not for the lemmings -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMZlr5Gf9yY



A look at the enigmatic little lemming. A beautiful documentation of lemmings jumping their death even though this "fact" is really a myth. Filmmakers actually pushed the animals off a cliff to make this film which has earned the nickname of the "Disney snuff film". -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 686635859#





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Wilderness_(film)
White Wilderness contains a scene that supposedly depicts a mass lemming migration, and ends with the lemmings leaping to their deaths into the Arctic Ocean. There have been some reports that the Disney film describes this as an actual suicidal action by the lemmings, but the narrator in the film does state that the lemmings are likely not attempting suicide, but rather are migrating and upon encountering water, attempt to cross it. If the water they attempt to cross is too wide, they suffer exhaustion and drown.

In 1982, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation news magazine The Fifth Estate broadcast a documentary about animal cruelty in Hollywood, focusing on White Wilderness as well as the television program Wild Kingdom. Bob McKeown, the host of the CBC program, found that the lemming scene was filmed at the Bow River near downtown Calgary and not at the Arctic Ocean as implied by the film. He found out that the lemmings did not voluntarily jump into the river but were pushed in by a rotating platform installed by the film crew. He also interviewed a lemming expert who claimed that the particular species of lemming shown in the film is not known to migrate, much less commit mass suicide. He also discovered that footage of a polar bear cub falling down an Arctic ice slope was really filmed in a Calgary film studio. [2][3]





http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/cruelcamera/video2.html
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/cruelcamera/fakery.html
1958
White Wilderness: Disney's ode to life in the north. Will become notorious when the fifth estate reveals in 1982 that a scene showing lemmings jumping to their deaths was actually staged. The lemmings, it turns out, were thrown into the river by a member of the film crew. The Disney documentary promotes the idea that lemmings commit suicide, which is not true.
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Postby simonshack on July 12th, 2010, 11:56 am

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Back in the early days of September Clues, some aspiring SC debunker/stalker posted this :

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I'm glad to hear that the whole concept is fake in the first place! :P
http://www.septemberclues.info
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Postby hoi.polloi on July 12th, 2010, 12:13 pm

lol

un-debunking :D
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Postby Rasta84 on July 22nd, 2010, 2:43 am

simonshack @ Jul 12 2010, 11:56 AM wrote: *

Back in the early days of September Clues, some aspiring SC debunker/stalker posted this :

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I'm glad to hear that the whole concept is fake in the first place! :P


That's pretty ironic :lol:
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Re:

Postby Ajasin on September 18th, 2011, 7:44 am

Rasta84 wrote:
simonshack @ Jul 12 2010, 11:56 AM wrote: *

Back in the early days of September Clues, some aspiring SC debunker/stalker posted this :

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I'm glad to hear that the whole concept is fake in the first place! :P


That's pretty ironic :lol:


totally!
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Re: Lemmings arent suicidal

Postby pov603 on November 5th, 2011, 10:35 am

This doesn't have anything to do with lemmings per se but it did catch my eye.

Unfortunately one tends to get very cyncial almost about anything and everything unless it is seen 'in person'.

This is a clip from Yahoo! showing a 'murmur' [I think they call it] of starlings in flight over the river Shannon in ROI.

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/309 ... +on+video/

If real, spectacular! If not, why?

I for one am hoping it is real [though i wish they would leave the music out].
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Re: Lemmings arent suicidal

Postby HonestlyNow on November 5th, 2011, 2:08 pm

pov603 wrote:This doesn't have anything to do with lemmings per se but it did catch my eye.

Unfortunately one tends to get very cyncial almost about anything and everything unless it is seen 'in person'.

This is a clip from Yahoo! showing a 'murmur' [I think they call it] of starlings in flight over the river Shannon in ROI.

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/309 ... +on+video/

If real, spectacular! If not, why?

I for one am hoping it is real [though i wish they would leave the music out].

The dusk flights can involve tens of thousands of birds and what's mystifying is how they can swirl about so swiftly and in such unison without colliding into one another.

What I find mystifying is why can we not hear the tens of thousands of birds' wings flapping? Or maybe that sound is barely there, but why cover it up with music, wouldn't the sounds of the birds be part of the whole experience?
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Re:

Postby lux on November 5th, 2011, 3:41 pm

obrien wrote:The 1958 Disney documentary into lemmings that won the academy award. Footage of lemmings jumping off cliffs was later found out to be faked. Edited version just showing the fake footage.. very funny although maybe not for the lemmings -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMZlr5Gf9yY



A look at the enigmatic little lemming. A beautiful documentation of lemmings jumping their death even though this "fact" is really a myth. Filmmakers actually pushed the animals off a cliff to make this film which has earned the nickname of the "Disney snuff film". -

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 686635859#





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Wilderness_(film)
White Wilderness contains a scene that supposedly depicts a mass lemming migration, and ends with the lemmings leaping to their deaths into the Arctic Ocean. There have been some reports that the Disney film describes this as an actual suicidal action by the lemmings, but the narrator in the film does state that the lemmings are likely not attempting suicide, but rather are migrating and upon encountering water, attempt to cross it. If the water they attempt to cross is too wide, they suffer exhaustion and drown.

In 1982, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation news magazine The Fifth Estate broadcast a documentary about animal cruelty in Hollywood, focusing on White Wilderness as well as the television program Wild Kingdom. Bob McKeown, the host of the CBC program, found that the lemming scene was filmed at the Bow River near downtown Calgary and not at the Arctic Ocean as implied by the film. He found out that the lemmings did not voluntarily jump into the river but were pushed in by a rotating platform installed by the film crew. He also interviewed a lemming expert who claimed that the particular species of lemming shown in the film is not known to migrate, much less commit mass suicide. He also discovered that footage of a polar bear cub falling down an Arctic ice slope was really filmed in a Calgary film studio. [2][3]





http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/cruelcamera/video2.html
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/cruelcamera/fakery.html

1958
White Wilderness: Disney's ode to life in the north. Will become notorious when the fifth estate reveals in 1982 that a scene showing lemmings jumping to their deaths was actually staged. The lemmings, it turns out, were thrown into the river by a member of the film crew. The Disney documentary promotes the idea that lemmings commit suicide, which is not true.


Disney also won an Oscar for this hoax. IMO Academy Awards are usually given for films that best push some perp agenda but I can't quite figure out what the purpose of the lemmings hoax was. Maybe to "popularize" suicide? :blink:
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Re: Lemmings arent suicidal

Postby pov603 on November 5th, 2011, 6:13 pm

@Honestly Now

Yes, I would have thought the noise and especially down-draft/draught [?] would have been pretty impressive ie tens or hundreds of thousands of starlings would weigh more than a small helicopter and yet that produces a fairly impressive d-d when passing overhead or nearby.

I didn't see much reflection on the water too though I realise the lighting was not great and the water fairly 'choppy'.
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