THE "CHATBOX"

[Evil Edna]

Same thing happened to me, but with the David Icke forum (DIF). Like GLP it has a very high shill factor so normally best avoided. However, someone there was posting thoughtful questions about the Apollo Theatre in London, and the apparent ceiling collapse there last month. Was it a hoax, he asked? A PSYOP to secure public funding (in austere times) to renovate the city's ailing theatreland (for the chattering classes)? The shills were all over him like a rash. So I decided to register with DIF and add a few comments of my own. But before I'd posted even one message my account was banned! Registered with same account name as this one!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthre ... 1061897232

[Lazlo]

WTF?

Someone is going to have to carry me on this one as my mind is in its virtual wheel chair:



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHnxW8AjQoQ

[icarusinbound]

WTF?

Someone is going to have to carry me on this one as my mind is in its virtual wheel chair:

I can just see a rabbit-shaped object apparently located within the casting of Mandela's right ear. It's slightly clearer in the last few seconds of the clip than it is during the earlier segment.

Here it is....



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-ear.html

The department of arts and culture said it didn't know the two sculptors, Andre Prinsloo and Ruhan Janse van Vuuren, had added a rabbit, said to be a discreet signature on their work.

http://redactor-images-live.s3.amazonaw ... 935650.jpg

I don't think it's likely to be any more suspect than the mouse trademark of Robert "Mouseman" Thompson...other than it's semi-covert ear location.


However, coming after the bizarre false deaf sign-language interpreter at Mandela's funeral, maybe the ear-rabbit does have a disinfo dimension. Or perhaps it doesn't translate between cultures: some form of inappropriate visual/word pun? bunny-ears/big-ears/prodigiousity. Odd.

[Lazlo]

icarusinbound wrote:

However, coming after the bizarre false deaf sign-language interpreter at Mandela's funeral, maybe the ear-rabbit does have a disinfo dimension. Or perhaps it doesn't translate between cultures: some form of inappropriate visual/word pun? bunny-ears/big-ears/prodigiousity. Odd.

Freedom A'int Nothin' But a Word

It has been said by musical critics that the silly pop song My Boy Lollipop,sung by Millie Small, in actuality had political overtones and that through it one could hear the joy of a short lived thawing of political repression in Jamaica. The same verve can be felt in Gil Scott-Heron's song Johannesburg sung in solidarity with his black brothers in J'burg. The song was based on his 1970's trip to South Africa with Nelson Mandela and it reflected the hope that was springing forth in that country for its black citizens. I am not going to say that blacks had it good or great then but there was a thaw in the political repression: there was a great economic boom in the country and Pass Laws were overlooked, blacks were living in the cities close to the construction jobs that were plentiful, wages were improving, they paid union dues and were garnering, if not freedom, equity in the country. Fast forward to today where recently 44 miners were shot in the back for striking and one can see that a whole new wave of repression has ensued. Ironically, well minded people the likes of Gil Scott-Heron may have had a hand in creating the misery that is South Africa today.

In the 1990's, in colleges all across America the cause du jour was ending apartheid in South Africa through an economic boycott. These causes célèbre start on leading campuses, like Harvard, and spread out to the rest of the nation and I think they are probably astro-turfed, more on that later. The boycott took hold and succeeded in wrecking the economy of the undeniably fascist state of South Africa; the problem is it stayed wrecked. What happened then was the ascendancy of The African National Congress (ANC) and the election to the presidency of South Africa of Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela who oversaw the selling out of the country to the globalists, the IMF and the World Bank. Unemployment in South Africa stands at 25%. Mandela may have been the globalists' go-to guy all along. Bruised and battered but never broken, he made an all to easy and seamless rapprochement with the power structure and began doing their bidding.
This may be the reason for rabbit hole imagery on the Mandela statue in Pretoria which, according to The Christian Science Monitor: "Sculptors ordered to pull rabbit out of Mandela's ear," or should we say hat.

After the apartheid boycott, the next big cause célèbre was a movement on campuses nation-wide for a living wage for janitors. Remember John Reed? He was an American Communist who graduated from Harvard College in 1910. He was made famous in the movie Reds staring Warren Beatty. Jack, as he was called, covered the Russian Revolution and wrote about it in Ten Days that Shook the World . Jack Reed is buried in the Kremlin. Well it seems that any good, incipient, commie at Harvard around the tournant du siècle was interested in only two things: World Revolution and living wages for janitors. So, you see, these things are just dreamed up somewhere and even recycled.



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SPj8PRf9Zw

[fbenario]

[1]The song was based on his 1970's trip to South Africa with Nelson Mandela and it reflected the hope that was springing forth in that country for its black citizens.
...
[2]In the 1990's, in colleges all across America the cause du jour was ending apartheid in South Africa through an economic boycott. These causes célèbre start on leading campuses, like Harvard, and spread out to the rest of the nation and I think they are probably astro-turfed, more on that later. The boycott took hold and succeeded in wrecking the economy of the undeniably fascist state of South Africa; the problem is it stayed wrecked. What happened then was the ascendancy of The African National Congress (ANC) and the election to the presidency of South Africa of Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela who oversaw the selling out of the country to the globalists, the IMF and the World Bank.

[1]Mandela was imprisoned for 27 years, from 1963-1990. He obviously did not take any trips with Gil-Scott Heron.

[2]U.S. college disinvestment/boycotts from S. Africa peaked in 1988. It was not a major phenomenon of the 90s. Once Mandela was freed in 1990 the world stopped trying to punish S. Africa, instead working to support his efforts at reconciliation.

[brianv]

Nice numbers threre, fben. The kinda numbers we've all become familiar with. You don't suppose that the whole SA thing was possibly manufactured for western mass consumption and corruption... and to propel the careers of several political and later multi-million pop clown industries like Bonio and Stink? If anything, this place has taught me to think completely out-of-the-box. Gin Scotch-Heroin, all that brother stuff, yeah right. Didn't he write about nuclear incidents and Karen Silkwood and such? You think it's genuine? You don't suppose she was a fiction? She did wonders for nuclear paranoia and whatever! But I have to admit that I went through a GSH phase, I saw him 1986 at the Hammersmith Odeon in London, I hope it helped to pay his Charlie bill!

[Oddfellow]

WTF?

Someone is going to have to carry me on this one as my mind is in its virtual wheel chair:

First thing that pops into my head.

1. This is in Africa. Traditionally in African folklore, the hare (no rabbits on the African continent) is known as a deceiver and trickster, and it is these attributes and tales which became the Uncle Remis/ Br'er Rabbit stories of the Americas. If you recall, Br'er Rabbit was a liar and pleaded not to be thrown in the very briar thicket which would save his life from the Br'er Fox, manipulating the fox to do just that for him. The fox thought he was acting in his (the foxes) best interest by throwing the rabbit in the brair patch, when in fact, he was doing the rabbits bidding, and harming himself while helping the rabbit.

2. The hare is placed inside Morgan Freemans Nelson Mandelas ear.
Classically in art, when someone is depicted with a small being in or near their ear, it is interpreted as signifying the influence the subject is under. This is most commonly referenced as the small devil and angel on opposing shoulders, whispering into your ear commands they hope you to obey. But more subtle forms can be found, such as this one.

So perhaps it is stating that Mandela was under the control of deceitful manipulators, and those that followed his cries wound up throwing their dinner away in the briar patch?

[bostonterrierowner]

Nice numbers threre, fben. The kinda numbers we've all become familiar with. You don't suppose that the whole SA thing was possibly manufactured for western mass consumption and corruption... and to propel the careers of several political and later multi-million pop clown industries like Bonio and Stink?

Exactly, we had a very similar discussion before in MLK thread, Mandela was given way too much publicity to be legit IMHO.

Released February 11th after 27 years of imprisonment ....

Mandelas, Ghandis, MLKs, Walesas etc. of this world are just safety devices fabricated to secure peaceful transitions from one corrupt system to another. This way the same oligarchies stay in power without any harm to their personas, stolen wealth and social positions.

Reconciliation, forgiveness, moving forward, peaceful transition are the favorite words thrown around and associated with them.

[anonjedi2]

Snowden nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... eace-prize

[simonshack]

Snowden nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Good grief...

Two Norwegian politicians say they have jointly nominated the former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden for the 2014 Nobel peace prize. The Socialist Left party politicians Baard Vegar Solhjell, a former environment minister, and Snorre Valen said the public debate and policy changes in the wake of Snowden's whistleblowing had "contributed to a more stable and peaceful world order".
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... eace-prize

These are highly embarrassing times to be even half-a-Norwegian, like myself. So, after handing the No-belle Piss Prize to Barack Hussein Obummer - and then to the European UOnion - they're now gonna hand it to yet another artificial entity?

Why don't they hand it to us - Cluesforum members ? We may be unpopular - but at least we are REAL !

[dblitz]

Clues Forum gets the No-bull prize.

[teriyaki taryaki]

• How to respond to an anti Conspiracy Theorist

by Mike King of tomatobubble.com

"You sound like a conspiracy theorist."

RESPONSE: "Conspiracy Theorist? Now tell me the truth, where did you hear that term...on TV? (Laugh.) ...So let me get this straight. Are you saying that men in high positions of power are not capable of criminal activity and telling lies to the general public? Are you really that naive?" (Laugh as you say this.)


"I'm not saying that governments don't lie, but a conspiracy like that would have to involve 100's of people. You can't hide something like that."

RESPONSE: "You're absolutely right. I agree with you 100%. It is impossible to totally cover up a conspiracy so massive. That's why I know about it! What you must understand is that they don't have to cover it up totally. Even a bucket that has a few leaks can still do the job of carrying water from here to there! They only need to fool 80% of the public, which isn't hard to do when you control the major networks and newspapers. The 10-20% that do figure it out (and the fewer still who will dare to speak their minds about it) can be very easily marginalized with the propaganda label "conspiracy theorist." The 80% + never take us critical thinkers seriously because they want to be part of the majority. This is known as groupthink. (*Note: When saying "conspiracy theorist", always hold your two hands up as you make sarcastic quote marks with your fingers.)


(The Ridicule Trick) "That's ridiculous (as he rolls his eyes). Do you really believe that nonsense?"

RESPONSE: "Can I ask you an honest question?" (Wait for "yes") Do you consider yourself an open minded, critical thinking person - yes or no? (Wait for "yes") Then how can you possibly ridicule an opinion when you haven't even done 10 minutes of research into the matter? That's kind of ignorant don't you think?" (Wait for response.)


"Not everything that happens in the world is a conspiracy!"

RESPONSE: "Not everything is a conspiracy, but nor is NOTHING a conspiracy either. Wouldn't you agree that we should evaluate each case independently and with an open mind?" (Wait for response.)


"Governments are so incompetent that they can't even deliver the mail on time or balance a budget. They couldn't conspire their way out of a paper bag!"

RESPONSE: "Don't confuse your incompetent, dim witted Congressman or Senator with the shadow government. The dark covert elements who stage these events are very skilled at carrying out, and concealing, their plots. Take for example the Manhattan Project. Hundreds of the world's top scientists were holed up in a desert for months as they worked on the Atomic Bomb. More than 100,000 people, each sworn to silence, worked on the project in 3 secret cities. A test bomb was even detonated in the the desert and not one word was said about it! This conspiracy was so secretive, that when FDR died and Vice President Truman became President, FDR's advisors had to inform him of the Project's existence! So you see, the shadowy intelligence element of the government is VERY capable!"


(The Unresolved Detail Trick)
"If this is a conspiracy then explain to me how they managed to do x, y, and z?"

RESPONSE: "I don't have every missing piece of this puzzle. But I have enough pieces to KNOW that the government-media version is false! Imagine if I gave you a 100 piece jigsaw puzzle, and told you that the image is of a beach in Hawaii. But after snapping 30 pieces together, you notice polar bears, snow capped mountains, and men covered in furs. Although there are still 70 missing pieces, you already have enough to KNOW that the image is NOT that of a beach in Hawaii. It's the same with solving conspiracies. I may not have all of the details, but I have laid out enough pieces to know that the official story is a lie. Does that make sense to you? (Wait for response.)


"So what? just because "x" happened, or "y" said this, it doesn't mean it's a conspiracy. You're taking a few coincidences and making a conspiracy out of it. "

RESPONSE: "If it were just one or two coincidences, I would agree with you. But when you have a series of 10,15, 20 different anomolies, the law of statistics PROVES that they can't all be just "coincidence". For example, if we're playing dice, and I roll a "7" to win. That doesn't mean that my dice are rigged. It's just a 1 in 6 coincidence. But if I roll a "7", eight times in a row, then that's a 1 in 150,000 "coincidence". You would have to be a fool not to question the integrity of those dice! You do understand probabilities don't you? (Wait for response.)


(The Isolated Piece of Evidence Trick)
"Other than citing some historical events, you still haven't shown me one piece of evidence that this was a conspiracy. Tell me just one thing that most proves a conspiracy."

RESPONSE: "That's a trick question! If I tell you "just one thing", you'll just climb on your high horse and dismiss it as a "coincidence". What I want to show you is TWENTY THINGS! But you're too closed minded to consider the case in its totality! You won't even watch a You Tube video let alone read the case! I sure hope you never get selected to serve on a jury! You want everything boiled down to a simplistic media sound byte. Unless you will commit to a few hours of study, I'm wasting my time with you. Why are you so afraid to study this? (Wait for a response.)


"If this were true, the media would be all over it! It would be on the front page of every newspaper in America."

RESPONSE: "The media, the government, the International bankers, Hollywood, and academia are all part of the same incestuous complex. The media is part of the conspiracy, so why would you expect them to tell you the truth?" (Wait for response.)


"You wouldn't be able to corrupt so many people. Every reporter and politician would have to be "in on it" in order to cover it up."

RESPONSE: "The corruption doesn't come from the outside-in. It comes from the top-down. If the ownership of a major media organization decides that a certain story is to be spiked, or if another story is to be hyped, then the rest of the organization follows. If a low level reporter decides to defy his bosses, he will lose his job and be blacklisted. Remember Helen Thomas? After 50 years as a White House Correspondent, she was dumped like a hot potato for publicly criticizing Israel. The same fearful top-down control works in government and academia as well.


"This is crazy. I don't believe in conspiracy theories."

RESPONSE: "You don't believe it? Or You don't WANT to believe it? There's a big difference between the two. The human mind is filled with complexes, one of which is the desire to shield itself from unpleasant truths. You're afraid that if you look into this, you might see that it's true. And you're especially afraid that if you come to agree with me, you too will then become marginalized as a "conspiracy theorist." It is FEAR that is causing you to close your mind and act like a sheep. Grow a pair and stop being so closed minded!"


"Conspiracy theories appeal to uneducated people because they provide simplistic answers to complex events."

RESPONSE: "Exactly the OPPOSITE is true! The evaluation of conspiracy theories not only requires much time and study, but also applied logic and critical thinking. Did you know that Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, and Bobby Fischer all believed in the "one-world conspiracy theory"? Were those men stupid? No, it is intellectually lazy people like you who choose to swallow and parrot whatever simplistic narrative that the TV feeds you. Do you ever question anything that the TV feeds you?" (Wait for response.)


"Conspiracy theories appeal to people because they are comforting."

RESPONSE: "Exactly the OPPOSITE is true. It is far more comforting to believe that certain tragic events happen exactly as the TV says, than to believe in monstrous internal plots beyond our control. Do you actually think that I enjoy believing that such evil exists? You think I like being ridiculed by simple minded family members and friends? Take it from me, the life of a "conspiracy theorist" can actually be quite stressful at times!"


"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet."

RESPONSE: "I don't believe everything that's on the Internet. But apparently you believe everything that's on the Idiot Box! I only believe those things which are verifiable, and consistent with my own sense of reasoning and logic. The beauty of the Internet is that, unlike the TV that you worship so much, all sides of an issue are presented on the Internet. It allows a critical thinker to figure out what the true story is. The TV doesn't give you that option. Do you really believe that the media presents the whole story? Are you that naive? (laugh) Remember the fairy tale of the 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq? The media shoved that lie down our throats. So why do you trust the media so blindly and not the Internet?"
(Wait for response.)


"Some conspiracy theorists still believe Elvis is still alive."

RESPONSE: "So, according to your twisted logic, because some theories are false, therefore ALL theories are false? I'm astonished that you could make such a stupid and offensive anology! Is that the best you got?" (Wait for response.)


"You don't have any respect or compassion for the family members of the dead."

RESPONSE: "I am honoring the dead by pursuing the truth as to who killed them! If someone in your family was killed, wouldn't you want to know who the true culprit was?" (Wait for response.)


http://www.tomatobubble.com/id266.html

[brianv]

I was going to do a post but I'd just thought I'd link you to the page, it's much easier. You will however need to put on your cluesforum glasses which will be handed out in the foyer!

Spoiler alert

Born 9 March 1954
In 1972, Sands joined the Provisional IRA.
In office 9 April 1981 – 5 May 1981 after 66 days of hunger-striking, aged 27
Sands narrowly won the seat on 9 April 1981, with 30,493 (19) votes to 29,046 (11,10)
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Sands

Not just the magic numbers mind, the worldwide reactions were interesting to say the least!

Bon voyage!

[bostonterrierowner]

I thought Hoi banned this Terifucki neo-nazi clown.

[hoi.polloi]

I thought Hoi banned this Terifucki neo-nazi clown.

After saying he wouldn't "be invited back" and he would be "banned forever" for posting his racist over-simplifications, I am not sure how/if it slipped my mind to actually implement the banning procedure. Duh.

But it's done now. If he can still post after this, there may be something terribly wrong with our software.