THE "CHATBOX"

[hoi.polloi]

The repercussions - not!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... ve-updates

Seriously, what are these fucking companies that hire the hacks to write this junk? 11 victims and 9 something-or-others and "Osborne". London type rag is the worst of all. I don't understand how people can treat all "news" like this equally with the high production bullshit. Is it just to get people to absorb the shit subconsciously? How do people fall for this?!

Sorry for not having a more cogent post. I am almost stunned by the stupidity of the so-called "news" and how people keep gobbling it up without any question of its authenticity, lack of need to check facts, etc.

[CluedIn]

I agree Hoi, where are people's intelligence when absorbing what they read?

We had a story here in the Detroit area this week where a school district shut down all its schools and school activities because some teenage boy who used to attend one of the schools, had not returned to a juvenile detention facility after a visit with family and they suspected he had stolen his grandfather's gun. There was no threat made against the school, any students or faculty or family member, but the "logical" thing to do was scare the local population with a ridiculous story. I got to the comments praying somebody would say what I was thinking which was why the hell would you shut down schools and after school activities when there was no threat? Critical thinking has almost disappeared in the modern adult, and yet they think they're smarter than ever with their technology toys.

[pov603]

I've no idea what's going on with this other than it seems contrived (by the media that is):

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-29154929

The family of a teacher found dead on an Indian Ocean island say they are "in a nightmare" after being told the trial of four men accused of murdering him will not be held until next year.
Carl Davies, 33, from Kent, died on Reunion Island in November 2011.

First off, it seems strange they said 'November' instead of a specific date...very 'un-beeb-like'...
Then there was his picture with the prominent "K" in the backdrop...the 11th letter of the alphabet.

His age was '33'.
His arrival was apparently 07/Nov, he went missing on 09/Nov...11/9 in US and 9/11 elsewhere...
The Murder investigation seemed to have delayed until 19/Nov...ten days later as reported in the press or eleven days later counting 09/Nov as day one...

Mr Davies, a former marine, is believed to have arrived on the French-governed island on 7 November 2011.
His body was discovered two days later and a murder investigation started on 19 November.

Vincent Madoure, 30, was found guilty of murder in a trial on the island.

I can't help but see his name parodying 'innocent? Mad, oh you are!'.
Why do they roll out this shite or is it just so to distract gullible people (counting myself) into even debating/mentioning it?
It just seems such a hollow story.

Edit: just to clarify, for what it's worth, the original link above is to an earlier version of the story, the latest one was on bbc's webpages 24/Jun'17.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-40386539

[patrix]

Rocket powered balloons.
Has this video been discussed here before? (I don't think earth is flat)

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs8oG0Mn3L0

I find this plausible for a number of reasons. It explains the strange slow ascent of space rockets. If they are hydrogen filled, it's easy to blow them up remotely when the illusion is completed or if anything goes wrong. So when the rocket has disappeared above the clouds and drifted out at sea, they just blow it up and the pieces falling down are claimed to be parts of the multi stage rocket.

Both US and Russian rockets are held down by clamps. Supposedly to enable the rocket engine to build up enough power before takeoff, but could the real purpose be to prevent the balloon from drifting up prematurely?

[hoi.polloi]

Sorry about the sudden disappearance of the forum, everyone. It seems our account dropped to 0.

So I just donated $20 and that should keep us up for at least a month, I think.

[fakeologist]

I just sent €19.11 to Simon's paypal account to help with the summer doldrums. Hope this encourages others.

[antipodean]

I've also made a similar contribution.

[simonshack]

Thanks all - your support is highly appreciated!

[MrSinclair]

I just did the same, and I'm happy to help keep this site going.

[patrix]

Hi Cluesforumers

I'm curious if anyone has seen these images before, and if so what you make of them? Is it CGI or maybe real footage from a facility where they built space props?

I suspect this kind of material is made to support the space hoax and that the space shuttle was real and that the Russians tried to copy it.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q7ZVXOU3kM

http://ralphmirebs.livejournal.com/219949.html

[simonshack]

I suspect this kind of material is made to support the space hoax and that the space shuttle was real and that the Russians tried to copy it.

You suspect well, dear Patrix.

Did you know we have a thread dedicated to the "Buran" (a name that I suspect to be a silly 'in-your-face-anagram-tribute' to the Von Braun clown) ?
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=968&hilit=buran

[patrix]

I suspect this kind of material is made to support the space hoax and that the space shuttle was real and that the Russians tried to copy it.

You suspect well, dear Patrix.

Did you know we have a thread dedicated to the "Buran" (a name that I suspect to be a silly 'in-your-face-anagram-tribute' to the Von Braun clown) ?
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=968&hilit=buran

Too much of an understatement yes. Thanks for being patient with a "newbie" Simon. I'll go read that thread.

[sharpstuff]

I am putting this on Chatbox because it may not fit with other discussions. However, I feel that is an important topic when considering fakery.

NOUNIFY
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Nounify: Verb. To create an object from a word thereby making it appear as a concrete structure which is an entity separate from other entities.

Nounification: The process of nounifying. A convenience for explanation.

Object: an apparently observable construct which appears as a separate structure from others often viewed as ‘digital’ (discrete steps).

Digital: So-called ‘on’ or ‘off’. However, a laser moves in an analogue fashion over a CD/DVD so it must ‘glide’ over the ‘digits’, no?

When we name an object (real or imaginary) we assume the name becomes the thing. We name an object for purposes of trying to explain something or reveal it to others using the same language.

The language is important as one object in one language is not necessarily the same as the language of another, thus are things misinterpreted by others.

Naming an object (concept or whatever) does not tell us what it is. It merely gives us a reference point from which to start (perhaps) but not to finish.

Naming is purely referential to a particular object at a particular time. In other words, it is not ‘set in stone’, as it were. Reference points change as all things change (as was laid out in the I Ching).

Our problems with life itself, revolve around the nounification of objects, ideas and so forth and the fact that many objects have been ‘cast in stone’.

For example, the notion that the Universe is made up of ‘particles’ is prime at this particular point in whatever time is. Time is merely a reference point (or concept) set arbitrarily and is not a construct or a physical (observable) actuality. Time is change from one point to another inexorably.

The explanation of our ‘universe’ (whatever that is) is regularly defined as bits and pieces of something of which we cannot know and none of which can be adequately found as independent ‘objects’, only surmised, or speculated, never adequately demonstrated as a ‘draw me a picture’, hence the ludicrous notion of an ‘ultimate’ particle some wizened drip has named the ‘god’ particle. Question: Particle of what? Is a god made up of particles? Or is ‘god’ a particle from which the ‘universe’ is constructed and is the point from which the ‘universe’ expanded?

It is this notion of ‘particles’ and their apparent ‘qualities’ (or whatever) that we get all the so-called ‘modern’ concepts of ‘germs’, ‘protons’, electrons’ and all the other trivia of ‘quantum’ mechanics , and so forth, ad nauseum.

There is no doubt that some nounification is useful for everyday living (and survival) but we must remember that verbalising a ‘thing’ does not make it so.

As I tried to point out before, (subsequent to this missive which was locked out by an over-zealous ‘moderator’) our reality is a purely personal thing.

If we are intent with the fakery of the ‘universe’ as presented by what is called ‘science’, then there is no hope of trying to explain anything.

Explanations, to whatever degree, will not answer questions but only satisfy those who wish to have a belief in them. Belief is not real except for those who wish so to believe.

Reality must be a product of our personal acuities/existence on what we call this ‘planet’. Beyond this planet and the circumstances we personally encounter, we can have no knowledge except by speculation.

[sharpstuff]

SEPTEMBER CLUES BOOKS?

Dear Members,
I append a copy of an e-mail I sent to Simon. My initial idea was to produce a (or more) book/s on a specific thread from September Clues.
The intention is to have a complete written/downloadable document of initial subjects as complete reading matter without having to navigate through separate pages. This may be good for new readers, so that they do not have to navigate all the pages but can read them as, (guess what?) a book.
It occurs to me also that these books (I assume in .pdf format) might be available separately as 'buyable' items at a 'silly' price to help with the bandwidth costs of the site.
I would welcome any comments/suggestions on the whole project I have envisaged.
In good faith, as always,
sharpstuff

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My Dear Simon,

I hope that those close to you are in good health and yourself, of course!

CLUES is a bit dearth of material at the present. I guess some people know what a holiday period it is.

Anyway, I have been busy the last few months scanning and OCR'ing a lot of my early books from the 1960's. They are bound beautifully and line a bookshelf (almost a dozen of them).

That being said, I do need a new project..

In my madness, I wondered if I could produce (say) a .pdf of a complete thread from CLUES. I have tried it out, copying and pasting pages (including images) into an .rtf document and it would work with suitable editing of extraneous content and so-called 'smilies'.

It would be a huge job, of course, since a lot of material is duplicated (including photographs). However, I am prepared to have a go.

I have a couple of problems as I don't have certain software (I am not prepared to pay for) as I have no other use for them. It would require the knowledge of others to help me proceed from an .rtf to (say) .pdf as a conversion medium.

If you are interested, I would like to know what thread would be most useful to CLUES as a starting point.

What do you think about the project?

My very best regards,

sharpstuff

[pov603]

@sharpstuff

I think it is an excellent idea to produce a 'distilled'/comprehensive version of particular threads in a book format.

However, I am not sure how charging a fee for a PDF would work as this would immediately put some people off.

Slightly off topic but with a view to demonstrating how peoples' interest can be peeked; my partner's eyes are beginning to open much wider at the level and extent of media fakery/psyops and her preferred medium is the likes of YouTube with vids from people such as UKcriticalthinker, russianvids etc. [I think their spelling is almost correct].

These vids [or at least some of them] are a few minutes each in duration, seemingly informative, well made and easily digested, plus they presumably generate revenue from banner ads etc.

Of course this isn't anywhere near as noble as producing something tangible/tactile but could reap benefits with regard to return on effort spent.