patrix » Today, 17:44 wrote:
I’m saying that science or psyence if you will, is a belief system for social control that has replaced religion in the western world. And it has its dogmas, miracles and saints. However in later decades the saints and idols have shifted towards popular culture. The Hawking hoax can be seen as a turning point.
As you may be aware being a long time contributor here, it is not only astronomy and the Copernican model that is problematic in todays science. Physics, medicine, history, biology, anthropology etc, have some issues as well that have been discussed here.
But don’t get me wrong, science and the scientific method is the best method we humans have figured out to be able to agree how our objective reality works. The problem is that it is not used properly in todays science.
The Copernican model *may* have been used as a way to pry science away from the Catholic church and then used to create a new belief system in the name of science. The Copernican model won the hearts and minds of the western world during the 19th century. I find it to hard believe that was because of overwhelming evidence when I see Simons research laid in front of me.
On that last bit, I have trouble understanding what constitutes a media hoax in your opinion. If I see something in the media that is not accurate and wish to discuss and research it here, should I refrain if it is not related to terrorism, accidents and/or image manipulation? Are media hoaxes concerning science in general not suitable or does it limit to for example astronomy and medicine?
Starting from your last question, you should not refrain from anything. I only repeat, as ever, that to me these discussions over scientific problems are energy-sucking vortexes which take away attention and interest from other issues, of politics and propaganda, which I consider more urgent and pertinent to the purposes of this forum. I've always been in favor of exposing the media fraud of NASA, for example, but I find the thread which discusses satellites an insult to human intelligence and, fundamentally, a terrible drag on the forum. Simply because those discussions have no end. They are too improvised and incompetent to be meaningful. They are pure distraction. I don't lump the Tychos in the same category, of course it is a remarkable effort, which, however, I am not prepared to judge and thus I end up leaving on the table to look elsewhere, for something else. Totally my problem.
I appreciate that you say that the Copernican model *may* have been used to a certain purpose. It also may not. I tend to think that, despite its flaws, this system has served honest scientific purposes and not only political ones. All scientific discoveries, in fact (think of Relativity) are "flawed", imperfect, and only waiting to be one day debunked. This doesn't mean they don't serve a scientific, useful purpose in the meantime. More importantly, this doesn't mean that they have been established for "evil" purposes. Although, sure, it is possible, but then the burden on proof lies on those who make this statement.
I find it frankly annoying that the Tychos model has to come with this underlying idea that the Copernican model, rather than being a flawed interpretation that has run out of time, has to have been an "evil conspiracy" that has robbed us of harmony and religion and I don't know what, the pleasure of looking at the sky or something. This is bullshit and worse.
Lastly, science "not being used properly". True, and in my opinion as well as in the opinion of many, 90% of the problems with science and the mishandling of science today come from universities and similar institutions, which have become politicized centers of mafia and power and money. I also think that science, somehow, keeps progressing, albeit more slowly, despite this.