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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby simonshack on Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:16 am

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Dear all,

Phew - I'm finally back online, folks... As I returned from Sweden last week, I found both my laptop and my internet & phone modem grilled by a lightning strike (a freak "tropical" summer thunderstorm caused havoc in Rome a couple of weeks ago). Finding a reasonably priced used laptop wasn't the hardest part though. The toughest part was to get my dormant phone company to dispatch a technician... who eventually arrived and ascertained the violent death of my modem. It then took four more days to receive a replacement modem (by snail mail) - and to get it to actually work! To be sure, Italy ain't the best place for prompt tech assistance, mamma mia...

Anyways, the Sweden trip was just lovely. Patrik and I went to the charming island of Hven (where Tycho Brahe made most of his stellar observations) and visited the Brahe museum and observatory. We then made another TYCHOS presentation in Gothenburg - as we did back in February - this time with the upgraded Tychosium simulator which has now attained a jolly good level of precision and functionality. Although it is not for me to say, I do feel that it all went very well as the audience showed genuine interest and participation - what with a long Q&A session which caused the presentation to last for a full 4 hours instead of the intended 2!

A model of the amazing Uraniborg, Tycho Brahe's terraced "castle" on the island of Hven - which was inexplicably destroyed soon after his death:
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A partial view of Stjerneborg, Tycho's underground observatory - on the island of Hven:
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Simon, Tycho and Patrik scouring the skies - on the island of Hven:
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby patrix on Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:50 pm

Nice pictures! It was great having you here Simon and I hope you will come over again soon :-) /Patrik
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby pov603 on Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:04 am

Welcome back, Simon.

With the alleged death of Jeffrey Epstein this weekend and the “loss” of information he may well have had (like TPTB don’t already know)...
New York Mayor Bill de Blasio has called for a full investigation, calling it "way too convenient".
"What a lot of us want to know is, what did he know?" said Mr de Blasio, who is also running for the Democratic presidential nomination, told reporters in Iowa.
"How many other millionaires and billionaires were part of the illegal activities that he was engaged in?
"Well, that information didn't die with Jeffrey Epstein. That needs to be investigated, too."


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49309317

It did get me thinking about the “timing” of his so-called death during Eid-al-Adha...

It honours the willingness of Ibrahim (Abraham) to sacrifice his son as an act of obedience to God's command. But, before Abraham could sacrifice his son, God provided a lamb to sacrifice instead. In commemoration of this intervention, an animal is sacrificed and divided into three parts.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Adha
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby patrix on Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:46 pm

A probably less thought about effect of the space hoax is that it boosted the debt economy. The message was that the only way for America to prevail was if its younger generation took loans to get higher educations in science and engineering.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXHwelwmQPA
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby simonshack on Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:13 am

patrix » August 13th, 2019, 1:46 pm wrote:A probably less thought about effect of the space hoax is that it boosted the debt economy. The message was that the only way for America to prevail was if its younger generation took loans to get higher educations in science and engineering.



Aye, Patrik ...

Hopefully the smartest kids in town will soon realize that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out just what the space hoax was all about. -_-
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby cooler1021 on Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:39 pm

Simon I don't know if my earlier email and skype message reached you, or that you are too busy to reply, I just wanted to say that I happen to be in Rome soon for a short period. If you like to meet up you can reach me by email or skype :)
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby simonshack on Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:56 pm

Dear Cooler,

I just sent you an e-mail. I look forward to meet you! :)
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby patrix on Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:36 am

“What I Cannot Create, I Do Not Understand”

is claimed to have been on Nobel-Prize winning physicist Richard Feynman’s blackboard when he died.
http://larryferlazzo.edublogs.org/2012/ ... nderstand/

The last years has been a journey for me to say the least thanks to Simon and the many esteemed contributors to this forum. What I’ve realized is that not only media and space travel is a complete fraud but also that the foundations of so called modern science is not built on rational thought or the scientific method.

Do we know the actual causes of common diseases like heart disease, cancer, dementia, diabetes. No, and the common health advice, therapies and drugs create and worsen these conditions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvKdYUCUca8

Do viruses or even the DNA-molecule exist? It seems like the paradigm on microbiology is totally wrong. Bacteria and micro fungus are not different organisms but the one and same in different phases
http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/somatid.htm

Are vaccines “safe” and “effective”? No. They create disease and have been used and are used as a means to kill babies and people.
https://archive.org/search.php?query=cr ... William%22

Has the aether and the electromagnetic wave theory ever been disproven? No, and still we have a physics community started by frauds like Einstein and Feynman who believes that.
https://sciencevstruth.com/2013/12/08/e ... xperiment/

Does the Earth orbit the Sun and is the current astronomical model that has been used for about 200 years correct. No and that is provable by applying the most basic geometry as Simon demonstrates in the book “The TYCHOS: Our Geoaxial Binary System
http://www.lulu.com/shop/simon-shack/th ... 42858.html

And to refer to the quote by the fraudster in the beginning of this post – We have created Simons model in Tychosium and demonstrated that it is the only model that is in accordance with all known observations and experiments.
https://codepen.io/pholmq/full/XGPrPd

And I do understand it. Something I don’t think goes for Feynman and his ideas, unless he was truly mad.

I cannot find any more suitable point in history to conclude that destruction can be very creative. Let’s tear these centuries of lies down once and for all so that mankind can progress in a more productive and honest way. It’s well overdue to exit the modern middle age.

But as the saying goes, Rome wasn’t built in a day and the current empire will not be torn down that fast either. But please help out. Learn, study and download as much knowledge as you can. It’s said that once something gets on the internet it cannot be removed. Let’s hope that is true and that this cat is out of the box once and for all and that it’s not dead and alive at the same time :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat

All the best and may reason prevail. /Patrik
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby Mansur on Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:37 pm

ICfreely » August 8th, 2019, 8:00 am wrote:
That the change in the CF tag from “media fakery” to “mass deception” was not a fortunate one seems in this thread apparent. The deceptions in religious matters throughout history are, I think, outside the scope of this forum. To confuse them with current media sensations (conspiracy theories with “historical perspectives”) would make the discussion utterly senseless.*


Sorry but I don’t follow your logic, Mansur.

1- Media fakery perpetuates mass deception.

2- The media is predominantly owned by people of one particular religious background.

To ignore these facts and the history of said religion in world affairs (prior to modern mass media) would make the discussion of “current media sensations” utterly senseless. But that’s just my opinion, of course. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

That said, I’m less interested in what you think shouldn’t be discussed and more interested in you, not just stating what you think should be discussed, but actually doing it (i.e. advancing current topics and/or creating new topics and developing them).

@ICfreely -- You are incorporating the strange term ‘particular religious background,’ and the ‘conception’ of it almost everywhere, into your very facts. The thing is that that particular background cannot be regarded as religious at all and that this kind of ‘background’ is still waiting to be defined - as to its real nature and real causes, etc. (I am in no way the first pushing the question.) Using religious formulas does not necessarily mean real religious elements involved. And that is the very business of the deceiver from day one.

We can agree or disagree only after there is some agreement concerning facts. So, regarding this term as still unspecified, we can agree -and who would not?- as to the points. But since they will become, thus emasculated, somewhat trivial, all the followings will depend on the meaning one is giving to this term… Maybe Nietzsche was right saying that there are no facts but interpretations.

[‘My logic’ was simply : where the thing we call ‘mass’ is not present at all, there is no question of deceiving it. It is just a projection of our today’s thinking and concepts of media and propaganda and politics into more or less distant ages, – a mistake that can be pursued quite intentionally and most easily. Indeed, nothing is easier than that.]

[I said no ‘should” or ‘shouldn’t’; only that it simply ‘cannot’.]

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In Hungary, by the way, Jews are calling themselves consistently ‘ethnic group’ or ‘ethnic minority’ (no appeal to religion at all), they show big solidarity towards other ‘ethnic groups’ as well, the gypsies for example who are now heavily ‘fighting for their rights’ - and freedom of course. :) They call even the ‘majority,’ that is to say the ‘hungarians,’ an ‘ethnic group.’
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby ICfreely on Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:09 pm

Mansur wrote:@ICfreely -- You are incorporating the strange term ‘particular religious background,’ and the ‘conception’ of it almost everywhere, into your very facts. The thing is that that particular background cannot be regarded as religious at all and that this kind of ‘background’ is still waiting to be defined - as to its real nature and real causes, etc. (I am in no way the first pushing the question.) Using religious formulas does not necessarily mean real religious elements involved. And that is the very business of the deceiver from day one.



Point taken, dear Mansur.


We can agree or disagree only after there is some agreement concerning facts. So, regarding this term as still unspecified, we can agree -and who would not?- as to the points. But since they will become, thus emasculated, somewhat trivial, all the followings will depend on the meaning one is giving to this term… Maybe Nietzsche was right saying that there are no facts but interpretations.



Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he was too smart for his own good. I'm not sure.


Travels with Herodotus
Published: Thursday, 15 August 2019 22:20
A fearless forecast for the world from 425 BC

BEWARE ‘PERIPATETIC MERCHANTS’
It’s easier to fool a crowd
than a single person.
—Herodotus

The game is the same — 25 centuries ago, human dynamics were eerily similar to the way we act now, same influences, the same hazards of health and welfare. All our existing belief systems derive from this period.

Known as “The Father of History”, Herodotus of Halicarnassus (484-425 BC) bequeathed to us a detailed verbal photograph of when Greece and Persia were the major powers in the known world, and Egypt, after existing for many thousands of years, was going into eclipse. The philosophies developed during this era provide the bases of our thought processes today.

Without most people noticing, the mirror of history fuels the engine of the present.

It did exactly that for an innocent Polish traveler, who once only wanted to cross the border of his starving socialist republic; but who, during a temporary thaw in the Cold War of the early 1950s, became a literal 20th century Herodotus, traveling throughout Asia and Africa as a beleaguered foreign correspondent. Thrust into the confusion of faraway places without knowing their languages, he turned to his ace in the hole, a Polish translation of Herodotus’s Histories in his search for sense in the world.

Travels with Herodotus
by Ryszard Kapuscinski
(translated from the Polish by Klara Glowczewska, Alfred A. Knopf, New York 2007)
All memory is present.— Novalis

p. 66-67
There is no consensus among historians as to whether the creator of Taoism — Master Lao Tzu — was older or younger than Confucius. Many scholars even maintain that Lao Tzu did not exist at all, and the only little book which he is said to have left behind him — the Tao Te Ching — is simply a collection of fragments, aphorisms and sayings gathered by anonymous scribes.

If we accept that Lao Tzu did exist and was older than Confucius, then we can believe the story, often repeated, about how young Confucius made a journey to where the wise man Lao Tzu lived and asked him for advice on how to conduct his life.

“Rid yourself of arrogance and desire,” the old man answered, “rid yourself of the habit of flattery and of excessive ambition. All this causes you harm. That is all I have to say to you.”

But if it was Confucius who was older than Lao Tzu, then he could have passed onto his younger countryman these three great thoughts. The first: “How can you know how to serve gods if you do not know how to serve people?” The second: “Why do you pay back evil with good?” And the third: “Till you know about the living, how are you to know about the dead?”

[ . . . ] How does one survive? This is the question Chinese thought attempts to answer. It is perhaps the most practical philosophy the world has ever known. In contrast to Hindu thought, it rarely ventures into the realms of transcendence, and tries instead to offer the ordinary man advice on enduring the situation in which he finds himself . . .

Ryszard Kapuscinski (1932-2007) was Poland’s most celebrated foreign correspondent, 13 books translated into 27 languages, including Imperium and Shah of Shahs, all written with an uncanny eye for the natural responses of people in different cultures. As Herodotus roamed the known world in the 5th century BC and recorded his astounding travelogue, so Kapuscinski did likewise, while fleshing out the amazing stories of dusty centuries which demonstrate how human nature has not essentially changed in two and half millennia.

Telescoping knowledge accrued from the 6th century BC down to the present delivers a message you might not have expected. Since the dawn of time, the archenemies of civilization have been plundering humanity with their moneymaking trickery.

p.82
These learned Persians, Herodotus says, maintain that the instigators of the world-wide East-West conflict are neither the Greeks nor the Persians, but instead a third people, the Phoenicians, peripatetic merchants. It was they who first began the business of kidnapping women, which in turn triggered this global storm.

Conditions sound similar? He’s talking about The Iliad; I’m talking about the Nakba, now taking place in Europe and the United States. So you see? Like our friends the Palestinians, the entire white race is now being displaced, generally by being bred out of the herd, by the light brown minions of Baron Coudenhove-Kalergi’s wet dream of a world superstate.

The world has a very old problem. This same kind of invasion, keyed by sedition and stealth, has continued successfully for, at the very least, twenty four hundred years.

The unstoppable engine of fate

The first book of Herodotus (there are four of them) contains the most gripping story that includes all the known superstars of the 6th century BC. It features Solon, the father of Greek democracy, counseling Croesus, the wealthy king of Lydia, not to count himself too happy until his journey is over, because fate is fickle. Mix in the oracle at Delphi and a king whose decision destroys himself — enter Cyrus the Great, who defeats, condemns, then saves him, and at the end of Cyrus’s life Croesus is there to advise him not to attempt the behavior that would cost Cyrus his life. Just before Cyrus’ fateful decision to chase after the Massagetae, Croesus warns him: “ . . . human affairs are on a wheel and as it turns it does not permit the same people to always prosper.” It would make a great movie. And it took the genius of Kapuscinski to elucidate it, at least for me.

p. 84
The root question of Herodotus’s original mission, the question he always asked in all his inquiries, was “Who first undertook criminal acts of aggression? Having this question as to precedence in mind makes it easier to negotiate the tangled and intricate twists and turns of history, to explain to ourselves what forces and events set it in motion.

The defining of this principle, the awareness of it, is hugely significant, because in Herodotus’s world (as well as in various societies today), the eternal law of revenge, the law of reprisal, of an eye for an eye, was (and remains) alive and well.

Revenge is not only a right — it is a most sacred obligation. Whoever does not fulfill this charge will be cursed by his family, his clan, his society. The necessity of seeking retribution weighs not only on me, the member of the wronged tribe [ . . . ] can set into motion a chain of retribution that can stretch for generations, for centuries even.

[. . .] Misfortune suddenly befalls you and you cannot fathom why? Simply this: that you have been revenged upon for crimes perpetrated ten generations ago by a forefather whose whose existence you weren’t even aware of.

Is there a formula for destiny?

p. 210
Crime and punishment, injustice and revenge — one always follows the other, sooner or later. As it is in relations between individuals, so it is between nations. Whoever first starts a war, and therefore, in Herodotus’s opinion, commits a crime, will be revenged upon and punished, be it immediately or after the passage of time. This relation, this inexorable pairing, is the very essence of fate, the meaning of irreversible destiny.

Vengeance is everyone’s downfall

Kapuscinski continually veers into his Herodotus as if he is traveling himself in these catacombs of centuries past, but one phrase keeps reappearing in their narratives is that . . .
. . . . human happiness never remains long in the same place!

p.232 Persian words on the eve of the final battle of the war.
“My friend, an event which has been decreed by the god cannot be averted by man, for no one is willing to believe even those who tell the truth. A great many Persians are aware of what I just said. but we follow our leaders because we [THINK WE] have no choice. There’s no more pain a man can endure than to see clearly and be able to do nothing.”

Kapuscinski is one of those writers who is always waiting to catch you unexpectedly with a fresh wry chuckle. From Peking to Persepolis, from the Congo to Algiers, he had the unique technique of going backwards to see where he was going.

He maintains an almost lighthearted detachment in situations that would make the rest of us quail before the hazards his path had intersected.

p.104
One could clearly see how dangerous freedom is in the absence of hierarchy and order — or, rather, anarchy in the absence of ethics. Under such circumstances, the forces of evil aggression — all manner of villainy, brutishness and bestiality — instantly gain the upper hand. As so it was in the Congo, which fell under the rule of these gendermes. An encounter with any one of them could be deadly.

In case you were wondering about the resolve of the Iranians, consider this conversation from the very dawn of the Persian Empire. Kapuscinski writes of someone . . .

p. 254
. . . who once submitted a proposition, widely supported by his countrymen, to the then ruling Persian king, Cyrus the Great. It went as follows: Since Zeus has given sovereignty to the Persians and to you in particular, Cyrus, . . . let’s emigrate from the country we currently own, which is small and rugged, and take over somewhere better . . . Will we ever have a better opportunity than now, when we rule over so many peoples and the whole of Asia?

Cyrus was impressed with the proposal. He told them to go ahead, but he also advised them to be prepared, in that case, to become subjects instead of rulers, on the grounds that soft lands tend to breed soft men. It is impossible, he said, for one and the same country to produce remarkable crops and good fighting men. So the Persians admitted the truth of this and took their leave. Cyrus’ point of view has proved more convincing than their own, and they chose to live in a harsh land and rule rather than cultivate fertile plains and be others’ slaves.

But as you can see, the one thing these two men, 25 centuries apart, traveled well and did a service to humanity for recording how our faraway friends felt about things.

p. 256
If Jarda and I had lived in Herodotus’s times, we would have been Scythians — they had inhabited our part of Europe. We would have cavorted through forests and fields on swift horses that so delighted our Greek, shooting arrows and drinking kumiss. Herodotus would have been very interested in us, would have asked about our customs and beliefs, about what we ate and what we wore. Next he would have described precisely how, having drawn the Persians into the winter trap of frigid temperatures, we had defeated their great army, and how their great king, Darius, pursued by us, barely escaped with his life.

My heroes in life are those worth imitating. As a journalist I appreciate the necessary skill of objective impartiality in the work of both men, Ryszard Kapuscinski and Herodotus. As the Polish foreign correspondent said of his vocational ancestor from 25 centuries earlier . . .

p. 260
There is no anger in him, no animus. He tries to understand everything, fInd out why someone believes in one way and not another. He does not blame the human being but blames the system; it is not the individual who is by nature evil, depraved, villainous — it is the social arrangement in which he happens to live that is evil. That is why Herodotus is a passionate advocate of freedom and democracy and a foe of despotism, authoritarianism and tyranny — he believes that only under the former circumstances does man have a chance to act with dignity, to be human.

https://johnkaminski.org/index.php/john-kaminski-american-writer-and-critic-2/222-travels-with-herodotus
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby Mansur on Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:16 pm

Is there any single original quote from Herodotus in this book?

Telescoping knowledge accrued from the 6th century BC down to the present delivers a message you might not have expected. Since the dawn of time, the archenemies of civilization have been plundering humanity with their moneymaking trickery.

p.82
These learned Persians, Herodotus says, maintain that the instigators of the world-wide East-West conflict are neither the Greeks nor the Persians, but instead a third people, the Phoenicians, peripatetic merchants. It was they who first began the business of kidnapping women, which in turn triggered this global storm.

Conditions sound similar? He’s talking about The Iliad; I’m talking about the Nakba, now taking place in Europe and the United States. So you see? Like our friends the Palestinians, the entire white race is now being displaced, generally by being bred out of the herd, by the light brown minions of Baron Coudenhove-Kalergi’s wet dream of a world superstate.

The world has a very old problem...

These passages really deserve, just like any other in the article, being bolded in red…

That statements are starting points and not an outcome of a study or of any study at all! (maybe you, ICfreely, do not read posts you reply to). That 'nothing new under the sun' can only be said by those who have seen a thing or two. – So obligate it is, in ‘conspiracy theories,’ that is to say in propaganda literature, to jump back and forth centuries and millennia! And so boring! Are you excited by them?

My heroes in life are those worth imitating. As a journalist I appreciate the necessary skill of objective impartiality in the work of both men, Ryszard Kapuscinski and Herodotus. As the Polish foreign correspondent said of his vocational ancestor from 25 centuries earlier . . .

O yes, ‘I firmly believe’ one is free to choose his own ancestors himself throughout history, - but to make it public is a business of a completely different kind, especially in our days.

‘ICfreely, are you checking our vigilance here?’ – one is almost tempted to question.

…Maybe Nietzsche was right saying that there are no facts but interpretations.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he was too smart for his own good. I'm not sure.

Maybe. Maybe you are sure enough. :-)
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby ICfreely on Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:06 am

I'm sorry but I haven't the slightest clue what you're point is, Mansur. Maybe it's a language barrier thing but I don't appreciate your snide and cynical tone. Seeing as we're obviously not getting through to one another I think it best we leave it be.
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Re: On the Viability of Conspiratorial Beliefs

Unread postby antipodean on Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:59 am

In the video below featured recently in the Daily Mail, it looks as though for what ever reason it's been edited.
When the Brunet woman leaves Epstein's mansion she is carrying a white bag with a white shoulder strap. Yet when footage is shown of her leaving with Prince Andrew standing in the door way, she isn't carrying the white bag.

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBMT72iAVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBMT72 ... tu.be&t=43

Now that the Brunet has been identified as Katherine Keating daughter of ex Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating, attention is now shifting as to the identity of the possibly under age blond girl.
Paul Keating left his wife (Katherine's mother) more than 20 years ago, to live with Aussie Soap actress Julieanne Newbould.
A photo of Julianne Newbould taken when she was of a similar age to the blond girl featured in the video, does bare a striking likeness.
Image

The shivering blond looks like she's recently arrived from an Australian summer to a New York winter.
At the time Katherine Keating had only been in New York for 2 months. When the 2 girls pass each other their mannerisms look as though they could be step sisters.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby SacredCowSlayer on Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:08 pm

Dear Mansur,

It looks like your tendency to pick at the forum (as opposed to actually contributing) continues to be a problem.

Think it through better before posting.

Sincerely,
scs

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Unread postby Pokerniko on Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Something strange about yesterday last shooting hoax in Midland/Odessa area, on august 15th a post on FB was claiming about a shooting taking place in the same exact area of Midland/Odessa, police warned it was a hoax:

https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Weeke ... 83831.html

What are the odds?
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