Critical Mass wrote:I would suggest the neutral researcher ask themselves... does each scene look convincing, in its own right, to them? Using 21st century eyes?
Looks as credible as a 3-dollar bill. Is that Charlie Chaplin´s head at 2:38?
Critical Mass wrote:I would suggest the neutral researcher ask themselves... does each scene look convincing, in its own right, to them? Using 21st century eyes?
On the day of the test, the public was invited to watch from a distance of about 4 1/2 miles away on State Route 839. A parking area has been made along the highway and next to the road leading to ground zero for the observers and those driving on the highway were stopped just before the blast occurred. Ground zero is just five miles from Sand Mountain.
Although it was reported that no radiation leaked into the atmosphere during the test, the Fallon Eagle–Standard reported on Dec. 17, 1963 the drillers had encountered temperatures of 600 degrees and radiation that peaked at 40 roentgens per hour.
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He was the head of the construction company, and Fallon had helped pave the roads into the Nevada Test Site, and very much an advocate of atomic testing, and he used to get there were four kids in the family, actually three and the fourth came in ’52, but that’s another story. He used to get us up at the crack of dawn on a day of a “shot,” make the orange juice, make the pancakes, and we’d sit in front of this bay window in Fallon and watch what I call in the book the Southern Sunrise. And, I do remember just the phenomena, the spectacle. I don’t remember much else except that we would go to school, grammar school throughout the Fifties, and everybody would talk about the test at Las Vegas that morning. So, I witnessed, over a distance of some 300 miles, oh, at least five or six of those tests. I can’t remember exactly, but we could see them very well from Fallon, Nevada.
For those who are curious: The “all nukes are a hoax” theory seems to stem from a couple different sources. The technical argument is that fast neutron chain reactions are impossible, because the fission cross-section of U-235 is small for fast neutrons. The cross-section is indeed small for high-energy neutrons, which is why reactors use a moderator to slow the neutrons down and increase the likelihood of their capture by the small amounts of U-235 in the nuclear fuel. What is weird is that the people making this argument don’t seem to realize that this is exactly why you use 80-90% enriched material in a bomb — it is to overcome this low probability of fissioning by just putting a ridiculous number of targets in the area. It is also why there are tampers, neutron reflectors, and the like, and also why even a relatively sophisticated weapon like the Fat Man only fissioned something like 13-18% of its fissile material, and the Little Boy bomb only fissioned around 1% of its fissile material. They also have weirdly interpreted the “Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not that different from the firebombing of Tokyo” argument (to a rather absurd conclusion, that it was just a firebombing, despite the fact that firebombing and atomic bombing have really different outcomes), believe that the photographs of the mushroom clouds are all faked (despite the fact that such a level of fakery was really quite beyond the technology of the 1940s — similar to the “Apollo moon hoax,” it would have been easier to make an atomic bomb in the 1940s than to fake an atomic bomb convincingly on film, at least to the degree of documentation that we have on them from the time), and believe that every scientist in the entire world (except for the random engineer who came up with this dumb theory) is in on the secret and has reasons to propagate it indefinitely (and I am apparently in on the hoax as well, to my surprise). The one person I e-mailed with about this, just trying to see what the limits of their rationality were and what it spawned from, eventually let on that to him, one of the most convincing pieces of evidence for this theory is the number of Jews who were involved in the creation of the bomb, wink wink, nudge nudge. This probably hits at the real origin of this bad idea — just another form of mis-matched anti-Semitism grafting itself onto another source. That my last name is a Jewish-sounding one did not apparently resonate with the person e-mailing me.
Critical Mass wrote:
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV5tYx3Esiw
Flabbergasted wrote:How does "wink-wink" Alex explain that? Was the sound recorded by microphones with wireless transmitters suspended by fire-and-shockwave-resistant balloons right above the blast site? Or was it subsequently "corrected" for the sake of those thick audiences who would never get their minds around the flash-to-bang method anyway?
Lovely closing statement: "...the world´s mightiest agent of destruction presents its unspoken and unanswerable argument for peace [bullying] and for preparedness [guzzling more taxpayer money]".
Critical Mass wrote:Flabbergasted wrote:How does "wink-wink" Alex explain that? Was the sound recorded by microphones with wireless transmitters suspended by fire-and-shockwave-resistant balloons right above the blast site? Or was it subsequently "corrected" for the sake of those thick audiences who would never get their minds around the flash-to-bang method anyway?
Lovely closing statement: "...the world´s mightiest agent of destruction presents its unspoken and unanswerable argument for peace [bullying] and for preparedness [guzzling more taxpayer money]".
'Alex the winker' would probably concede himself that virtually all 'atomic bomb test' soundtracks are fake... in terms of reasonable delay you've got the 1953 'Annie' test (uploaded by Wellerstein himself) &, err, that's it.
I suppose you could argue we've also got the 'live' TV footage of an 'atomic bomb test' but, I don't know about you, I can't hear no bang.
PS
I emailed Wellerstein at the same time I posted on Cluesforum... his only response is to point you Flabbergasted at his 'Sound of the bomb' article, try & make a rather irrelevant case about the Eniwetok tests supposedly taking place in what he calls the 'early morning' & he gave me the old...
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
... a quote which is basically a Cluesforum motto & something we all agree with.
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My favorite quote from the official test movie...
"These were fabricated releases of power"
Maat wrote:brianv wrote:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/ ... clear-bomb
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlE1BdOAfVc
Five men agree to stand under an Atomic Bomb. Simply the worstest stupidest fakest shit I've ever seen!
And the writer of this blog also asks:If you are hit by two Atomic Bombs should you have kids?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/ ... -have-kids
No, you should be dead you fucking clown!
Crikey, that really takes the cake!![]()
My fave is the stupid line in their hammy script trying to suggest the lousy 50s film FX 'blackout' is a 'real' phenomenon unique to "atomic explosions",
@ 1 min into the video:
“...a fireball that is red, the sky looks black about it...” Yep, it's so powerful it can turn off the sun!![]()
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And, in the second vid on that blog we have a retro/precurser (hehe) to the exclamations dubbed over 9/11 vids:
"Holy shit!" x 2 @ YT vid time-start: 3m14s and 3m24s
[Ref from http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/07/ ... bomb-1953/ by Alex Wellerstein]
It seems the perps' Hollywood fakery artists have been busy creating new hi-res versions (concepts) of 'A-bomb tests' too, just like their 9/11 counterparts...
Here's a fascinating website:“a division of Visual Concept Entertainment”
Read about its creator, Peter Kuran:
This video, uploaded by atomcentral on Dec 11, 2011, is cunningly presented as a real aerial film of an atomic bomb test in 1951, in full color and from a static camera view — from what and how, a 3 mile high 'sky hook' ?![]()
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full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11e8XyUBqRQ
Gottathe classic “camera shake” at the end
A preview of Kuran's "documentary" 'work':
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvnWXf6UZXY
More @ http://wn.com/trinity_and_beyond_clip
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http://www.facebook.com/peter.kuran
And Alex Jones is a listed 'favorite'
Maat wrote:Here's a fascinating website:“a division of Visual Concept Entertainment”
Read about its creator, Peter Kuran:
Flabbergasted wrote:I remember that post very well, and that "Atom Central" webpage, with its choice of imagery ... you know, the iconic photograph of the charcoal ships solemnly awaiting their doom off the Marshall Islands.
Baker. The bomb, known as Helen of Bikini, was detonated 90 feet (27 m) underwater on July 25, 1946. Radioactive sea spray caused extensive contamination. A third deep water test, Charlie, planned for 1947, was canceled primarily because of the United States Navy's inability to decontaminate the target ships after the Baker test. Ultimately, only nine target ships were able to be scrapped rather than scuttled.
Published on Mar 15, 2014
Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie is a 1995 American documentary film directed by Peter Kuran and narrated by William Shatner. Using restored archive footage, the film traces the development of nuclear weapons and their testing, from America's Trinity test of 1945 (hence the title) to the first Chinese atomic bomb test in 1964. Kuran's commentary on the DVD version claims that the DVD replaces some of the original footage with better-quality versions. There are some short special effects sequences too. The film has also since been released on Blu-ray.
[More details re "Baker test" in video notes section]
Maat wrote:brianv wrote:
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlE1BdOAfVc
Five men agree to stand under an Atomic Bomb. Simply the worstest stupidest fakest shit I've ever seen!
Because of the peculiar psychology or the Japanese who wanted to please the interrogator one must view with suspicion a good deal of the information gathered by subsequent parties on the location of survivors at the time of the explosion, for the number of unscathed survivors from the center increased with time. Actually the shock of the experience frequently caused annnesia in survivors and very few near zero escaped lethal gamma ray exposure.
It has been truly said that the operation was the most observed, most photographed, most talked of scientific test ever conducted. Paradoxically, it may also be said that was the most publicly advertised secret test ever conducted
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