The Holocaust Under Review

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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby thisisunreal on Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:14 pm

Yes indeed. The general outline of the content is exceedingly similar. I Googled some content from the Rense article you named and the author name that kept appearing is that of, 'Willie Martin', who writes on the holocaust.

Indeed he (Willie Martin most probably) does mention the book, 'Other Losses' in the article, but does not mention the author, James Bacque. It is therefore safe to say he is borrowing from James Bacque. Other Losses was published years before the Rense article.

anonjedi2 » March 26th, 2018, 3:22 am wrote:Reminds me of an article I read many years ago on Rense's website called Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans

http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:30 pm

I have unlocked this topic for further development. Please note that I may be adding other related posts to it as time goes.

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Re: The Holocaust: propaganda, censorship and media fakery

Postby Flabbergasted on Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:23 am

thisisunreal wrote:This incredible revelation (on camera) is exactly what David Irving (the UK’s most notorious holocaust denier) was fined for telling the world in 1992. Turns out David Irving was correct on this issue.

Which is why I was surprised to see Irving crossing swords with the main revisionist body (his own words) in this video:
https://youtu.be/8cAFpi4tHMM?t=5540 (set to start around the 1 h 32 min mark)

Some of Irving's claims:
- Around 300,000 Jews died in Auschwitz, some of whom were gassed (1:35:32).
- Auschwitz was essentially a labor camp, but Holocaust historians have turned it into a Disneyland for lack of palpable remains of genocidal facilities elsewhere.
- Nevertheless, Auschwitz had two small cottages, "the Red House" and "the White House", in which old and unfit prisoners were liquidated upon arrival; only the foundations are now visible and guides do not mention them to tourists who are instead shown the pseudo-gas chamber (air raid shelter) filmed by David Cole in the early nineties.
- In contrast, three or four camps (Sobibor, Treblinka, Majdanek, Belzec) were built solely for the purpose of extermination by gas as part of the so-called Reinhardt operation.
- The Reinhardt operation combined extermination with looting; allegedly, fountain pens, gold coins and watches were systematically confiscated and sent back to Berlin for sale!
- Based on a message allegedly decoded by the British, 2.2 million Jews were processed (which translates into "gassed") in 1942 and 1943; no mention is made of non-Jewish casualties.
- The physical evidence of the gas chambers in the "Reinhardt camps" was destroyed on Himmler´s orders.
- The damning message contains several anomalies in terms of protocol and language; although Irving is 80% sure it is legit, he has 20% nagging residual doubt (his words).
- Irving declares that he believes the gassings did take place (1:50:13), but that the whole thing was an ad hoc operation.
- Hitler, who was generally protective of the Jews, would never have allowed the installation and running of genocidal facilities, so he was he kept out of the loop until his suicide in 1945.

Irving says that "for a revisionist this is difficult stuff to swallow".

Indeed.

Irving appears to endorse the Leuchter report from 1988, but is basically saying Leuchter was looking in the wrong places. This sounds a bit strange since (if memory serves me) Leuchter visited and carefully examined two or three of the "Reinhardt camps" in addition to Auschwitz. This argument also completely sidesteps the logistic nightmare of...

- running four extermination camps for years, ad hoc, without the knowledge of the Führer.
- suppressing all forms of documentation
- building and running the most cost-inefficient, time-consuming and perilous execution equipment imaginable
- arresting, corraling and transporting by train or truck 2.2 million Jews (over 3,000 every single day)
- disembarking, despoiling and dragging some 200 people into (and out of) gas chambers every 40 minutes round the clock, without the staff being exposed to the gas.
- disposing of 2.2 million corpses (a crematorium with three berths could only process 48 corpses in 24 hours) and hiding the ashes or skeletons so well they have never been found.

That´s pretty flimsy for "Britain's foremost WWII historian"...
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby TErikson on Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:35 am

I've seen a lot of videos on the subject but if I had to recommend a single film for a neophyte:

"Holocaust: why we believed in it" by Eric Hunt (1h30 the part one, part two never saw the light of day).

Concerning the cremation of the bodies in Auschwitz.

Call a crematorium, ask if you can incinerate a body in just 5 minutes with the modern ovens. Of course he will tell you that this is impossible. It takes at least an hour and more.

Point out that you have read this on a website dedicated to the Shoah and see the reaction. I did it at home in France. Two told me it must have been a mistake on the site.

So they are indirectly negationists !

And yes, to match their incredible numbers of victims, they are forced to violate the laws of science regarding the cremation of corpses.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKptY17xAxk

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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:50 am

TErikson » November 14th, 2018, 8:35 pm wrote:I've seen a lot of videos on the subject but if I had to recommend a single film for a neophyte:

"Holocaust: why we believed in it" by Eric Hunt (1h30 the part one, part two never saw the light of day).

Concerning the cremation of the bodies in Auschwitz.

Call a crematorium, ask if you can incinerate a body in just 5 minutes with the modern ovens. Of course he will tell you that this is impossible. It takes at least an hour and more.

Point out that you have read this on a website dedicated to the Shoah and see the reaction. I did it at home in France. Two told me it must have been a mistake on the site.

So they are indirectly negationists !

And yes, to match their incredible numbers of victims, they are forced to violate the laws of science regarding the cremation of corpses.


Dear TErikson,

Thank you so much for that tremendous post. Now, I have to think hard to get my head around the existence of “denial laws” to begin with, given that it is such a bizarre concept within the US.

We (in the US) apparently don’t need such laws. Good old fashioned SHAME (sadly) appears to handle that non-existing problem just fine.

But, it was a relatively recent time that I read some European articles about these laws, and the rhetoric surrounding them. The word “negationist” used in such a context was (at first) almost mind blowing.

This is merely rhetorical of course, but, I wonder how in heavens name a person could possibly “negate” an actual historical fact that exists in reality.

Any genuine reality (so palpably clear) would of course have no “need” for such laws, with the fear that its truth may somehow be “negated.” Also, (seemingly) implicit within these laws is at least the contemplation (or an unwitting concession?) that the story is weak enough that it could very well be negated.

That said, the reply you received is indeed an indirect form of “negating” an official “truth.”

Thank you again for posting this. The CLUES surrounding this world changing story are evidently still to be uncovered.

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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby TErikson on Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:01 pm

Researchers who question the official version of the Holocaust present themselves as revisionists. The laws in Europe do not allow us to question the judgments of the Nuremberg Tribunal.

The researchers are therefore reviewing this trial.

The authorities call them "negationists" to imply that these researchers know that they are lying in order to exonerate the Nazis from their crimes.

They manage to make the general public believe that guys like "Robert Faurisson" would totally deny the reality of camps, crematoria fours, deportations, photographs. This is obviously not the case.

These laws against "denial" obviously make no sense at first sight. For example, the Katyn massacre (the polish officers executed). It was attributed to the Nazis, but years later it was admittedly Soviet action.

I thought the conclusions of the Nurembeg Tribunal were a model of justice ?

In France, the first law against racist ideas was passed in 1972 (the Pleven law). "racism is not an opinion, it's a crime".

Revisionists like Faurisson were starting to make too much noise. In 1990, the law preventing the questioning of the Shoah was introduced.

The Shoah is an essential pillar of post-1945 domination. You can't take any risks.

But we could very well have other laws criminalizing all conspiracy thoughts.

It is emerging on a certain scale. Since 2015, we have had this fight against "fake news".

Are you questioning moon landing? Well, you're a negationist, you deny an obvious reality.

And so you will be tried for conspiracy thinking.

On the first forum in France, the 18-25 forum of Jeuxvideo.com. For the past two years, many subjects challenging the official versions, for example on September 11, the attacks in France etc. are quickly suppressed by moderation. If you challenge the reality of the victims, you are likely to be banished on place.


Laws against denial must be understood as laws criminalizing alternative thinking.

Logic would have it that we would be accused of "conspiracy theorists" on the Shoah and not negationists. But by accusing you in this way, they want to make you look like a guy who knows he's lying, in order to rehabilitate Nazism.

A guy like "Vincent Reynouard" denounces the Shoah to rehabilitate Hitler and the National Socialist system.

I denounce the Shoah for the truth. But the Shoah also acts as a religion that paralyses the masses. On the principle of "never again", white masses are submissive. Duty to remember, repentance, acceptance of immigration since 50 years, etc. Because otherwise it would be the return of the gas chambers.

All this sounds ridiculous with a minimum of research but yet people on the whole swallow this. Even partly in the alternative media.

Memory laws are used to maintain the myth. Because you can't argue, for or against. It is forbidden.

But don't forget. In 1978, a group of academics replied: "We must not ask ourselves how technically such a massacre could have taken place. It took place technically because it took place. This is the starting point for any investigation on the subject. It was up to us to simply recall this truth: there is no, there can be no debate on the existence of gas chambers".

http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2009/12/comment-le-29-decembre-1978-le-monde.html

The Pope of the Shoah "Raul Hilberg" will eventually say at the end of his life, that there were no orders, no plans, because the Nazis in some ways practiced telepathy ..... :lol:

http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/1988/09/raul-hilberg-explique-maintenant-le.html
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby simonshack on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:03 pm

TErikson » November 15th, 2018, 5:01 pm wrote:Researchers who question the official version of the Holocaust present themselves as revisionists. The laws in Europe do not allow us to question the judgments of the Nuremberg Tribunal.

The researchers are therefore reviewing this trial.
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I thought the conclusions of the Nuremberg Tribunal were a model of justice ?

Dear TErikson,

Here's what I wrote back in November 1st, 2015 - in relation to the Nuremberg "tribunal"...
(Voici ce que j'ai écrit en Novembre 2015 au sujet du "tribunal" de Nuremberg.)


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"THE 1946 NUREMBERG PURIM FEST"
or the 'prophecy fulfillment' of the Biblical Book of Esther

There are truly many things hidden in plain sight - as anyone studying this world's history will realize. However, this one takes the cake, as far as I'm concerned. I only just found out about it and will now do my best to share it with you in - hopefully - eloquent manner. Firstly, you will need to know that - as the story goes - Julius Streicher, the Nazi editor of the Der Stürmer newspaper was one of the 10 Nazi War criminals who were hanged in Nüremberg on October 16, 1946. As a hood was lowered over his head, he shouted these enigmatic words: "PURIMFEST 1946!"

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Moments before Streicher was hanged in the early hours of October 16th 1946,
Newsweek reported: “…facing the gallows he shouted ‘Purimfest, 1946!”


The 'Purim' is the merry Jewish holiday (where alcoholic beverages are permitted) that commemorates the slaying of 75.000 Persians - and the saving of all Jewish people from bad guy Haman, who was planning to kill all the Jews. The story is recorded in the Biblical Book of Esther (from Wikipedia: "The Book of Esther relates the story of a Jewish girl in Persia, born as Hadassah but known as Esther, who becomes queen of Persia and thwarts a genocide of her people.") Here is some more information about Esther - from the 'BeingJewish" website:

The name Esther means "hidden," and indeed, Esther's true identity was hidden in plain sight, so that as queen of Persia she could effect salvation for all her people.
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Through it all, we see the hidden Hand of G-d, manipulating events from beginning to end. Many things were hidden and then revealed, such as Queen Esther's nationality. The name Esther itself shows this, since in Hebrew "Esther" means "hidden." [from the Hebrew word “hester” = hidden] Esther's original name was Hadassah, but she was called Esther by the Persians, because of her beauty. The name Esther was derived from the name Ishtar (a supposedly beautiful pagan goddess), which in itself originally derived from "Istahar," a very bright star, and in some cultures, the moon.

Nothing happens by coincidence. For Esther was the bright star that the Jews needed in that time of darkness. For in Hebrew "Esther" means "hidden," and the very lesson of Purim is that G-d is hidden in everything that happens. And from darkness, arose this morning star.

The whole lesson of Purim is that G-d also does things in a hidden way, but it is still G-d behind everything.

And that is the meaning of Purim.


http://www.beingjewish.com/yomtov/purim/meaning.html


In the Book of Esther, it is said that Queen Esther then calls for the hanging of Haman's ten sons (even though they had already been killed - along with the other 75.000 Persians). Why? Dr. Moshe Katz of the Hebrew University explains :

“The ten sons of Haman had already been killed, why bother to hang them? In the writings of the Sages and the commentators, we find several ideas that could clarify this: On the word ‘tomorrow,’ in Esther’s request, the Sages comment: ‘There is a tomorrow that is now, and a tomorrow which is later.’ In other words, Esther was asking that the hanging of Haman’s ten sons not remain an isolated episode in history, but should recur in the future, as well.”

It is also worth mentioning that, in the Purim story, the Talmud (Megillah tractate, 16a) states that Haman had an eleventh child - a daughter - who committed suicide (so she wasn't hanged along with her 10 brothers). But we'll see about that later.

For now, let's see what Jewish experts have discovered by deciphering the so-called "Scrolls" of the Book of Esther. Here's the relevant 'Megillah' which was analyzed (please know that, according to Nachmanides’ introduction to his commentary on Genesis, any change from the usual style of writing a word, or letter, indicates there is hidden meaning in the text. In fact, the Jewish sages have taught throughout the generations that whenever there is a variation in the size of a letter or spelling of a word, it has a specific meaning.) :

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And here's the 'hidden meaning' of this Megillah 'explained' - by none other than the Chief Rabbi of South Africa, who concludes that it must be a mere "ironic twist of history" :
"Megillat Esther lists the names of Haman’s ten sons and according to the Halachah, three of the letters in these names are written in smaller font than the rest of the text – a tav, a shin and a zayin – and one letter is written in larger font – a vav. What do these unusually sized letters signify?

For generations different explanations have been offered. In the 20th century, however, another amazing meaning was discovered. The large vav is numerically 6, corresponding to the sixth millennium; the small tav, shin and zayin are numerically 707; together, these numbers refers to the 707th year of the sixth millennium – in other words, the Jewish year 5707, which corresponds to 1946, the year in which these ten high-ranking Nazis were hanged. Thus, the unusually sized letters - vav, tav, shin and zayin – found in the names of Haman’s ten sons allude to the year of the execution of these ten Nazi war criminals. What is further fascinating is that they were sentenced on the 1st of October, in the days between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur of 1946, and hanged on the 16th of October, which that year came out on Hoshana Rabbah, which, according to the Zohar, is the day that judgment of the world is finalized.
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This ironic twist of history is so eerie and uncanny that it clearly shows us G-d’s presence in these events which affect the Jewish people and the world at large.
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http://www.chiefrabbi.co.za/2012/03/purimsphiel-1946-the-purim-link-between-nazi-germany-and-nuclear-iran/


"Eerie, uncanny, ironic twist of history", eh? Hmm. That's a hell of a "twist", if you ask me. My legs would falter!
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Now, at the Nüremberg trials, there were originally 11 men scheduled for hanging (an oddity in itself, as the sentence handed down should have been death by firing squad, or by electric chair as practiced in the U.S.A. ) since the 12th convict, Martin Bormann, condemned to death under absentia, was nowhere to be found. Yet only 10 were eventually hanged. This, because Hermann Göring (a notorious transvestite - as the story goes) apparently committed suicide just three hours prior to his scheduled execution - and therefore did not need to be hung.
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Rings a bell? If not, remember Haman's daughter - his eleventh child - who committed suicide (as of the Book of Esther).

But of course - that's just another "ironic twist of history", I suppose. :rolleyes:

Seriously now, folks - there can only be two possible conclusions to draw here (as I, a mere old-fashioned rational thinker, see it). Of course, if you a have a third option to propose, please feel free to do so - in response to this post of mine:

Option 1: This "Book of Esther/ Nazi war criminals" similarity is purely coincidental happenstance - and just an "ironic twist of history".

Option 2: WWII (and WWI ?) was a predominantly Zionist / Jewish (call it what you may) conspiracy - "hidden in plain sight" - against the peoples of this world. Or else, why would the "Allies" central command stage such a Talmudic-symbolism-ridden 'Nazi hanging show'?

To be sure, these two merry videomakers seem to espouse option N°1 - as they happily diffuse this very information on their YT channels :


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX8tJNSs1HQ

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMhqEiu1p4s

Look, folks: I'm ready to accept that I'm totally wrong about Option 2. In fact, I'd actually WISH to be wrong about it! See, if Option 2 is true, I'd then have to admit that I've been taken for a ride for my entire life (along with most of this world's people - which is of meager solace...)


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More relevant articles for those interested:
http://www.aish.com/h/pur/t/har/When-Go ... idden.html
http://www.jewishpress.com/judaism/holi ... 015/03/04/
http://ohr.edu/holidays/purim/deeper_insights/3440
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby TErikson on Fri Nov 16, 2018 2:43 am

Dear Simon,

Thank you for this reminder, I knew this story of a Jewish holiday celebrated on the basis of a massacre (considered a joyful holiday, enough to make some "goys" even more anti-Semitic)

But I ignored these ten hanged after their physical death.

I was also unaware of Streicher's "Purim Fest 1946" before his "hanging".

It is obviously signed for insiders.

Miles Mathis clearly demonstrated the Jewish geanology of the great leaders of the Third Reich.

Himmler's death makes no sense. The one in Goëring as well. Even when I was much younger, I already thought it was strange. The little cyanide pill that falls from the sky.

Landsberg Prison is a huge red signal. More than 200 Nazis were executed there like Hitler's personal doctor. The same one who tried to treat the ambassador to France "Ernst vom Rath".
Murdered by the young Polish Jew Herschel Grynszpan on 9/11/1938 (which will be used as a pretext for the "night of Crystal").

An event that indicates everything as manufactured. The wikipedia page on Grynszpan is really worth reading. The guy officially died in 1945. Despite his detention in Germany since 1941. Hitler wanted to make a great trial that would never happen. There is even a picture of Grynszpan taken in 1946. It is not official but it is suggested that he would have preferred to hide for fear of reprisals.

Landsberg Prison is also where Hitler would have spent 13 months in 1923/1924.

More recently, the former president of Bayern Munich "Ulrich Hoeness" was reported to have stayed there for three years. Of course, it seems obvious that he has never lived a single full day there.

Concerning the rigged battles of the Second World War, I invite you to read the author's blog "Hexzane527".

http://hitler-the-jew-and-the-faked-wwii.blogspot.com/

We know that many events such as September 11 are planned years in advance.

It seems that the two world wars were planned even more in advance.

You know all these Bible prophecies, even the most recent ones from the 18th century or the Middle Ages or ancient cultures such as Hopi, Amerindians, etc.

Some dates like the Allied landing in 1944, in terms of numerology, it's just breathtaking. Oh yes, we can demonstrate the collusion between all these elites, but still.

And then they're still Jews. These Jews considered as the people chosen by God. Until the first coming of Jesus Christ when it will extended to the whole world. Jews who refuse this will be considered the first enemies of humanity. In short, to summarize the old and new testament...

Now what can we see in 2018 ?

Many prophecies have been fulfilled and many are in progress. The greatest events of the 20th century seem to have provoked to restore modern Israel in this end time.

Is it the devil's simple action? From God? Aliens? Or simple humans like you and me?

I have to keep this message short.

But we know how all these prophecies end, whether they are biblical or not.

And all indications are that we're heading there. Financial crisis, moral crisis, energy crisis etc etc. But few make the link with climate crises, the incredible increase in earthquakes, dolines (holes in the ground) etc.

I'm not going to develop here. But for me these events such as the two world wars, the Russian revolution, the first Jewish Congress, the Dreyfus affair, etc. are part of this process of the end of time (or civilization).

The failure is not allowed, everything had to be fixed. And it is impressive to always notice the presence of the Jew.

I could say a lot more.

Simon and the others, don't hesitate to tell me if this kind of message is considered too "harmful" for the CluesForum.

For the sake of "transparency", here are two examples of French sites where I have often participated in comments since 2014 <_< :

http://decodageetperspective.blogspot.com/

http://leschroniquesderorschach.blogspot.com/
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby patrix on Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:11 am

Very interesting posts Simon and TE. Thanks. I'm also leaning towards opt 2. Something I would not have only a few months ago. But as the honorable late Tony Martin puts it "Lies elevated to a form of art"
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby elmoastro on Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:33 pm

Predictive programming the 6,000,000 number 1915-1938.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-4MYJ0hXec
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby SacredCowSlayer on Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:54 pm

elmoastro » December 7th, 2018, 9:33 am wrote:Predictive programming the 6,000,000 number 1915-1938.

. . .


Fascinating video! Thank you for posting it. It is truly amazing just how far back that “6 million” number goes. I suppose the effect of the repetition is to make the stories that follow (oddly enough) all the more “acceptable.”

I will also note that (around the 21:08 mark) it’s interesting that the “Jacob Tarshish” character was evidently known by his radio audience as “The Lamp-Lighter,”. . . or is that Gas-Lighter? Hmm.
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby Flabbergasted on Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:52 pm

There are even longer lists of instances of the magic number 6,000,000 in print: https://ia802700.us.archive.org/31/item ... cement.pdf

I haven´t checked them out and they could use a little more context, but it´s enough for a strong argument.
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Postby elmoastro on Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:43 am

Someone might want to download that video. 50% chance it gets hauled down at some point. This isn't my thing, I've read/watched Irving, this vid, etc...enough to have many questions and alt views on the subject, but not a fight I want a dog in. So I'm not really archiving the holocaust stuff.

Like you, the video was pretty eye-opening to me given what we see today in the propaganda media/news/film program.
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