The Holocaust Under Review

Global War deceptions & mass manipulation, fear-mongering terror schemes and propaganda in the Age of the Bomb
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ICfreely wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:14 am
Trump warns Iran if it hits any Americans or American assets 'we have targeted 52 Iranian sites'
By Jeremy Diamond, Caroline Kelly and Greg Clary, CNN
Updated 8:38 PM ET, Sat January 4, 2020

(CNN)Donald Trump on Saturday drew what may come to be seen as the most significant red line of his presidency in a three-part tweet, vowing specific military action against Iran if it "strikes any Americans, or American assets."

"We have ... targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture" and "if Iran strikes any Americans, or American assets... Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD," Trump wrote in a series of tweets.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/04/politics ... index.html


Meh.. It won't be Iran's first time that's for sure.

ICfreely wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:38 am
Can Russia (Or Iran) Survive Without China?
The Saker • November 21, 2019
https://www.unz.com/tsaker/can-russia-o ... out-china/

Is water wet?


What's that old saying about rodeos and cowboys?

Win lose or draw, Iran is still here!

How many of the other nations/empires on that list can make the same claim?
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When you come to my ‘hood…

Iran - People of the Flames Zoroastrians Full Documentary 2017 HD

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNmOFwpqthU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNmOFwpqthU

17:17 - Solomon's Throne
Takht-e Soleymān (Persian: تخت سلیمان‎), is an archaeological site in West Azarbaijan, Iran from Sasanian Empire. It lies midway between Urmia and Hamadan, very near the present-day town of Takab, and 400 km (250 mi) west of Tehran.

The fortified site, which is located on a hill created by the outflow of a calcium-rich spring pond, was recognized as a World Heritage Site in July 2003. The citadel includes the remains of a Zoroastrian fire temple built during the Sassanid period and partially rebuilt (as a mosque) during the Ilkhanid period. This temple housed one of the three "Great Fires" or "Royal Fires" that Sassanid rulers humbled themselves before in order to ascend the throne. The fire at Takht-i Soleiman was called ādur Wishnāsp and was dedicated to the arteshtar or warrior class of the Sasanid.[1] A 4th century[citation needed] Armenian manuscript relating to Jesus and Zarathustra, and various historians of the Islamic period, mention this pond. The foundations of the fire temple around the pond is attributed to that legend. Takht-E Soleyman appears on the 4th century Peutinger Map.

This site got its biblical name after the Arab invasion of Iran in the 7th century. Folk legend relates that King Solomon used to imprison monsters inside a nearby 100 m deep crater which is called Zendan-e Soleyman "Prison of Solomon". Solomon is also said to have created the flowing pond in the fortress.

Archaeological excavations have revealed traces of a 5th-century BC occupation during the Achaemenid period, as well as later Parthian settlements in the citadel. Coins belonging to the reign of Sassanid kings, and that of the Byzantine emperor Theodosius II (AD 408-450), have also been discovered there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takht-e_Soleym%C4%81n
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When you come to my ‘hood…

Iran - People of the Flames Zoroastrians Full Documentary 2017 HD

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNmOFwpqthU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNmOFwpqthU

10:10 - Lair of the Assassins - Alamut Castle - Eagle's Nest

17:17 - Solomon's Throne
Takht-e Soleymān (Persian: تخت سلیمان‎), is an archaeological site in West Azarbaijan, Iran from Sasanian Empire. It lies midway between Urmia and Hamadan, very near the present-day town of Takab, and 400 km (250 mi) west of Tehran.

The fortified site, which is located on a hill created by the outflow of a calcium-rich spring pond, was recognized as a World Heritage Site in July 2003. The citadel includes the remains of a Zoroastrian fire temple built during the Sassanid period and partially rebuilt (as a mosque) during the Ilkhanid period. This temple housed one of the three "Great Fires" or "Royal Fires" that Sassanid rulers humbled themselves before in order to ascend the throne. The fire at Takht-i Soleiman was called ādur Wishnāsp and was dedicated to the arteshtar or warrior class of the Sasanid.[1] A 4th century[citation needed] Armenian manuscript relating to Jesus and Zarathustra, and various historians of the Islamic period, mention this pond. The foundations of the fire temple around the pond is attributed to that legend. Takht-E Soleyman appears on the 4th century Peutinger Map.

This site got its biblical name after the Arab invasion of Iran in the 7th century. Folk legend relates that King Solomon used to imprison monsters inside a nearby 100 m deep crater which is called Zendan-e Soleyman "Prison of Solomon". Solomon is also said to have created the flowing pond in the fortress.

Archaeological excavations have revealed traces of a 5th-century BC occupation during the Achaemenid period, as well as later Parthian settlements in the citadel. Coins belonging to the reign of Sassanid kings, and that of the Byzantine emperor Theodosius II (AD 408-450), have also been discovered there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takht-e_Soleym%C4%81n
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On the Jews and their LIES!

1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all lived in the same place
By Andy Walker Today programme, BBC Radio 4
18 April 2013
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21859771

The more you try to help them, the more they hurt you. They can't help themselves.

I GIVE UP(giving them the benefit of the doubt or trying to help them)!
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ICfreely wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:36 am File this under:


On the Jews and their LIES!

1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all lived in the same place
By Andy Walker Today programme, BBC Radio 4
18 April 2013
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21859771

The more you try to help them, the more they hurt you. They can't help themselves.

I GIVE UP(giving them the benefit of the doubt or trying to help them)!
One truly cannot be helped (in any sort of enlightened sense) if he doesn’t realize his ignorance. Then there are those who know better, but will actively resist and do everything imaginable to try and derail those who wish to do good.

I’ve had a couple of “I give up” moments, so I understand the sentiment. Instead, I’ve had to sort of customize my efforts such that I can make at least some difference, but not allow myself to get knee-capped in the process.

I can’t speak for our other members, but, I suspect we have all had to find some balance in how we go about our lives . . . amongst the 99.999999% of people who have never heard of cluesforum.
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Fuck it, I'll do it myself!


ICfreely wrote: Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:35 am
[If anyone finds the name of the book/author, I’d greatly appreciate it.]


Reckless: Henry Kissinger and the Tragedy of Vietnam – Robert K. Brigham
https://www.amazon.com/Reckless-Henry-K ... 1610397029
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Donald Ducks: The Synagogue of Satan’s Shabbat Goys

Trump Green Lights Greater Israel
Palestinians lose again
Philip Giraldi • February 4, 2020
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/trump-gree ... er-israel/
Trump Has Given Israel Immunity to International Law
Paul Craig Roberts • December 18, 2019
https://www.unz.com/proberts/trump-has- ... ional-law/
Remarks by Vice President Pence at the Fifth World Holocaust Forum | Jerusalem, Israel
January 23, 2020
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-st ... em-israel/
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ICfreely wrote: Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:35 am
A statement such as ‘the Jews are in control’ only tells a fraction of the story.
Would you please provide clarification on that simplistic quote, Kham? Is that your personal stance or do you mean to (wrongly) imply/insinuate that it's mine?

I appreciate your response but your working definition of "empire" doesn't work for me. IMO, it's too vague. It's impossible for two people to have a meaningful discussion on a given topic if they can't agree on the meaning of words (too Noam Chomsky-ish).

Anyhow, with your permission, I'll elaborate a bit on my Billy Graham/Christian Zionism post.
(viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1528&start=120#p2411999)

Billy Graham-Richard Nixon tapes: The one time Graham’s image was tarnished
Feb 21, 2018
By Debbie Lord

As Americans mourn the death of evangelist Billy Graham, you would be hard-pressed to find a time where “America’s Pastor” was held in anything other than the highest regard.

Graham managed during 60 years of preaching the Gospel to sidestep even a hint of scandal -- sexual, financial or otherwise.
However a revelation in 1994 of a conversation he had with then-President Richard Nixon turned out to be a source of embarrassment for Graham – not at the time it was disclosed by Nixon Chief of Staff H.R. Haldeman, but years later when a tape of the conversation was released by the National Archives.

At first, Graham denied comments Haldeman made in his book, "The Haldeman Diaries" that Graham and Nixon had disparaged Jews in a conversation following a prayer breakfast in Washington D.C. on Feb. 1, 1972. Haldeman said Graham had talked about a Jewish “stranglehold” on the country.

''Those are not my words," Graham said in May 1994. ''I have never talked publicly or privately about the Jewish people, including conversations with President Nixon, except in the most positive terms.''

Graham was believed and the matter dropped until 2002 when tapes from Nixon’s White House were released by the National Archives. The 1972 conversation between Nixon and Graham was among those tapes, and Graham had to face the fact that he had been recorded saying the things of which Haldeman accused him.

The tapes proved damning.

''They're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff,'' Graham had said to Nixon. The Jewish ''stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain,'' he continued.

Graham told Nixon that Jews did not know his true feelings about them.

''I go and I keep friends with Mr. Rosenthal (A.M. Rosenthal) at The New York Times and people of that sort, you know. And all -- I mean, not all the Jews, but a lot of the Jews are great friends of mine, they swarm around me and are friendly to me because they know that I'm friendly with Israel. But they don't know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country. And I have no power, no way to handle them, but I would stand up if under proper circumstances.''

Rosenthal was the Times' executive editor.

After the release of the tapes, Graham was horrified, according to Grant Wacker, a Duke Divinity School professor who wrote a book about Graham. He publicly apologized and asked for forgiveness from Jewish leaders in the country.

"He did not spin it. He did not try to justify it," Wacker told NPR. "He said repeatedly he had done wrong, and he was sorry."

''I don't ever recall having those feelings about any group, especially the Jews, and I certainly do not have them now,'' Graham said in 2002 when the tape was released. ''My remarks did not reflect my love for the Jewish people. I humbly ask the Jewish community to reflect on my actions on behalf of Jews over the years that contradict my words in the Oval Office that day.''

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/billy ... a30cLawWL/

President Richard Nixon, the Shah of Iran and Egypt’s President Anwar Sadat worked tirelessly, behind the scenes, on the Israeli Peace Process to no avail. Nixon resigned (to avoid impeachment) in 1974, The Shah abdicated his throne (to avoid bloodshed) in 1979 and Sadat was assassinated in 1981.

Henry “the ruthless pragmatist” Kissinger was Nixon’s National Security Advisor and Secretary of State (No one before or since Kissinger has held those two posts concurrently) and stayed on with Gerald Ford’s administration after Nixon resigned. A few weeks ago I watched a fascinating interview with a professor who’s written a new book about Nixon, Kissinger and Vietnam on C-SPAN. The author's conclusion, based on a tedious review of previously classified transcripts, was that Kissinger misinformed Nixon (thereby leading him to make horrible decisions) every step of the way on the war.

[If anyone finds the name of the book/author, I’d greatly appreciate it.]


Anyhow, Kissinger passed the NSA baton to Zbigniew “Green Islamic Belt” Brzezinski (without whom the “War on Terror” against “Radical Muslim Extremists” wouldn’t be possible). Zbigniew's daughter, Mika, is an MSNBC presstitute co-hoast with Joe Scarborough (the congressman who resigned because he was "fed up with DC politics" shortly before 9/11 when a female staffer "committed suicide" in his office).

Kissinger on Iran: Belts, Empires, and Getting it Wrong
by John Limbert

Henry Kissinger may be the grand old man of US foreign policy, but when it comes to understanding Iran, his analytical skills have begun to fade. In his NPR discussion with Scott Simon, broadcast Sept. 6, Kissinger got it monumentally wrong. One can only be grateful he is no longer making policy.

What is it about being national security adviser that leads to ill-advised “belt” meta¬phors? In the late 1970s, President Carter’s adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski famously (and incorrectly) spoke of a geographic “green belt” of Islam that would defend the Middle East against Soviet aggression. It turned out that, if such a belt existed, its inhabitants in Iran and Afghanistan—no matter how much they disliked the Soviets—inflicted serious damage on the United States. In the Iranian case, they toppled one American president (Carter) and nearly brought down another (Reagan).

Now Kissinger is talking not only of belts, but also of Persian empires. He told NPR that Iran is a “bigger problem” for the US than the vicious Islamic State, which is commonly referred to as ISIS. “There has come into being a kind of a Shia-belt from Tehran through Baghdad to Beirut,” said Kissinger. “And this gives Iran the opportunity to reconstruct the ancient Persian Empire, this time under a Shia label.”

Nonsense. As a scholar of history and a Harvard PhD, Kissinger should know better…

https://lobelog.com/kissinger-iran-belt ... -it-wrong/

I’m sure Kissinger & Brzezinski had America and Iran's best interests at heart. Surely they meant well. They just got the calculus wrong that’s all. And I'm positive that their hearts bleed for all of their fellow Jews.

'It Wouldn't Be U.S. Concern if U.S.S.R Sent Jews to Gas Chambers', Kissinger Told Nixon
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5151896

Nothing to see here, folks, keep it movin’.

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American Psychos

Trump tweet calls for investigation into Scarborough's dead staffer while in Congress
By Joe Concha - 11/29/17
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3623 ... r-while-in

White American Devils doin' what they do best! :puke:
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The following is an article (actually a review) from around 1946, by R. Guénon, it can be found with other reviews appended later to his book Theosophy: History of a Pseudo-Religion [1921] pp 312-314 (originally one single paragraph):
I Protocoli dei Savi Anziani di Sion, Versione italiana con appendice e introduzione (Rome: La Vita Italiana, 1921). This Italian translation of the famous Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, published in 1921 by Dr Giovanni Preziosi, director of Vita Italiana, has just been re-edited with an introduction by J. Evola who tries to put some order into the endless discussions generated by this 'text'. He distinguishes two different and not necessarily connected questions, one concerning 'authenticity' and the other 'veracity', the second being the more important in his opinion. Authenticity is not really tenable for a number of reasons which we will not examine here, but we should draw attention to one point, which, although perhaps the most decisive, seems not to have been sufficiently taken into consideration: an organization that is truly and seriously secret, whatever its nature, never leaves a trail of written documents.

Moreover, 'sources' have been found from which many passages of the Protocols are borrowed almost word for word, for example, the Dialogue aux Enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu, by Maurice Joly, a pamphlet aimed against Napoleon III and published in Brussels in 1865, and the speech attributed to a Prague rabbi in the novel Biarritz, published in 1868 by the German writer Hermann Goedsche under the pseudonym Sir John Retcliffe. Another 'source' which to our knowledge has never been pointed out is a novel entitled Le Baron Jéhova, by Sidney Vigneaux, published in Paris in 1886 with the curious dedication: 'to the true gentleman A, de Gobineau, author of the Essai sur l’négaliti des races humaines, who entered Valhalla on October 13, 1882.' It should also be noted that according to information given in Miss Hersilie Rouy's Mémoires d’une alienée [Memoirs of a Deranged Woman], published by E. Le Normant des Varannes (Paris, 1886, pp 308-309), Sidney Vigneaux, like the latter, was a friend of Dr Henri Favre, whom we mentioned earlier. This strange story mentions the name of Jules Favre, who is also found to be involved in so many matters of the same kind that it is hard to see it as mere coincidence. . . In Le Baron Jéhova (pp 59-87) we find a so-called 'Testament de Ybarzabal', which presents quite striking similarities with the Protocols, except for the remarkable fact that in it the Jews only appear to be instrumental in carrying out a plan that was neither conceived nor intended by them.

We also note certain similarities with the introduction to Alexander Dumas' Joseph Balsamo, although here it is no longer a question of Jews, but of an imaginary Masonic assembly. We will add that this assembly is not unconnected with the pseudo-Rosicrucian 'Parliament' described at almost the exact same time by the American writer George Lippard in Paul Ardenheim, the Monk of the Wissahickon, and this description was reproduced by Dr Swinburne Clymer in The Rosicrucian Fraternity in America.

There is no doubt that in their more or less 'romanticized' form, all these writings draw their overall inspiration from one and the same 'current' of ideas, that their authors either approve or disapprove of these ideas, and in addition that, according to their sympathies or particular prejudices, they attribute without rhyme or reason the origins to Jews, Masons, or still others. Finally, what is essential in all this, and could be said to constitute the element of 'veracity', is the assertion that the entire orientation of the modern world conforms to a 'plan' established and imposed by some mysterious organization. Our own thoughts on this subject are well-known, for we have spoken so often of the role of the 'counter-initiation' and of its conscious or unconscious agents that we need not emphasize it further.

In truth, it did not take a 'prophet' to notice these things at the time when the Protocols were compiled, probably in 1901, nor even at the time when most of the other above-mentioned works were first published, that is to say around the middle of the nineteenth century. At that time, although these matters were less obvious than they are today, even a little perspicacious observation was already sufficient.

But here we must make a remark less than flattering to the intelligence of our contemporaries, that if anyone honestly expresses what he sees and what can be logically inferred therefrom, nobody believes him, or even pays attention. If, on the contrary, he presents the same thing as coming from an eccentric organization, it soon figures as a 'document', and as such sets the world in a bustle. How strange is the effect of the superstitions instilled into modern people by the too famous 'historical method', superstitions which themselves are definitely among the suggestions necessary for the accomplishment of the 'plan' in question!

It should be further noted that, according to the fabrications of the Protocols themselves, the organization responsible for inventing and spreading modern ideas in order to achieve world domination is perfectly aware of the falsity of these ideas. This must quite obviously be so, for it knows only too well where it stands in this regard, but then such an undertaking of lies could not in itself be its true and unique goal. This leads us to consider another point noted by Evola in his introduction and further developed in the November issue of the Vita Italiana in an article signed 'Arthos', entitled ‘Transformazioni del "Regnum"’. Indeed, the Protocols contain not only an exposition of 'tactic' directed at the destruction of the traditional world, which is only a negative aspect corresponding to the current phase of events, it also contains the notion of the merely transitory nature of this phase itself, as well as the idea of a subsequent establishment of a supranational Regnum. This last can be considered a deformation of the idea of the 'Holy Empire' and other similar traditional conceptions which, as the author of the article recalls, we ourselves have expounded in The King of the World. In order to explain this, 'Arthos' has recourse to deviations, or even real 'subversions', undergone by certain elements that at their origin were genuinely traditional but that then survive on their own, as it were, once the 'spirit' has left them, and in support of this view he quotes what we recently wrote regarding 'psychic residues.' The reflection that can be found elsewhere concerning the successive phases of the modern deviation and the possible constitution of a real 'counter-tradition' as its final term—the distorted Regnum being precisely its expression in the social order—will perhaps contribute further to elucidate more completely this aspect of the question which, quite apart from the special case of the Protocols, is certainly not without a certain interest.
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Some interesting excerpts from the Nuremberg trial

While examining the revisionist views of the gas chamber stories some time ago I watched a video by Carlos Whitlock Porter.
https://altcensored.com/watch?v=Nc8a-X74hM4

In the video, Porter, in a formal manner, and with masterful use of dry humour, proceeds to systematically take apart the documentary evidence used to prosecute Germans. At least some of Porter’s claims can be cross-checked with the help of the Nuremberg Trial transcript.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/imt.asp

My received impression of the famed Trial was that it was an undertaking of supreme justice and fair-dealing. Alas, the Trial transcript indicates the other thing. What will follow are some cherry picked excerpts from a very tiny section I have surveyed - minuscule in comparison to the complete text. These are from one day of proceedings where Councillor Smirnov, of the soviet delegation is concluding his presentation.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/02-19-46.asp
Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Vol. 7
SIXTY-SECOND DAY
Tuesday, 19 February 1946

Morning Session
p. 571
…the mass extermination of people in gas vans was ascertained without reasonable doubt for the first time in the report of the Extraordinary State Commission on atrocities of the German occupiers in the Stavropol region. This document was submitted to the Tribunal by me earlier as Exhibit Number USSR-1 (Document USSR-1). Investigation of the crimes committed by the German fascists in the Stavropol region was directed by a prominent Soviet writer and member of the Extraordinary State Commission, Academician Alexey Nikolaevitch Tolstoy*, who now is deceased.
This very thorough investigation was undertaken with the assistance of the most prominent specialists in forensic medicine, inasmuch as human imagination, having set definite logical limits to any crime, could only with difficulty then accept the existence of these machines. However, the results of the investigation corroborate in full the testimony of surviving witnesses regarding the murder vans and the German fascist mass murders of peaceful citizens executed by this means.
The report of the Extraordinary State Commission on the Stavropol region gives the first detailed description of the mechanism of these murder vans; and I am reading a quotation which the Tribunal will find on Page 268 of the document book, Paragraph 4. ... I begin my quotation:
"The mass extermination of peaceful citizens of the U.S.S.R. by the Germans was done by poisoning them with carbon monoxide in specially constructed machines or 'murder vans.'
Get in the vans guys. Hey, watcha looking so worried about? We are just picking up some canoli…
p 574
I … pass on to the testimony of witness Moisievitch. He says-I begin the quotation:
"I was an eyewitness to the manner in which the Germans killed people in their murder vans. From 70 to 80 people were forced into a murder van and then driven away to an unknown destination."
(…)
p. 575
I refer to the report of the extraordinary State Commission on Auschwitz. … In this same report, in the last paragraph on Page 136 of the document book, we may read that Camp Belsen was founded in 1940; but it was in 1942 that the special electrical appliances were built in for mass extermination of people. Under the pretext that the people were being led to the
p. 576
bath-house, the doomed were undressed and then driven to the building where the floor was electrified in a special way; there they were killed.
(…)
p. 581
I refer further to the report of the State Extraordinary Commission relative to the crimes in the city of Kiev. This report describes murders in the camps which will be also shown in the films today. I quote only one quotation from this report, which shows the methods of extermination of people in the Syretzk Camp. I quote Page 289 Paragraph 3, of the Russian text:
"Radomsky and Rieder used all kinds of devices for the extermination of Soviet citizens. For instance, they invented the following method of murder: Several Soviet prisoners would be forced to climb a tree and others had to saw it down. The prisoners would fall together with the tree and be killed."
(…)
p. 585
I shall now present to the Tribunal evidence of the fact that besides the stationary crematoria, there existed also movable crematoria. The Tribunal already knows about the movable gas chambers. These were "murder vans." There were also created transportable crematoria. An SS member, Paul Waldmann, testifies to their existence. He was one of the participants in the crime perpetrated by the German fascists when 840,000 Russian prisoners of war in Sachsenhausen were annihilated at one time. The Exhibit Number USSR-52 (Document Number USSR-52) on Auschwitz has already been presented to the Court. I quote that particular extract from the testimony of an SS member, Waldmann, which mentions the mass execution in Sachsenhausen:
"The war prisoners murdered in this way were cremated in four movable crematoria, which were transported on car trailers."
(…)
p. 596
In the Danzig Anatomic Institute semi-industrial experiments in the production of soap from human bodies and the tanning of human skin for industrial purposes were carried out. I, submit to the Tribunal, as Exhibit Number USSR-197 (Document Number USSR-197), the testimony of one of the direct participants in the production of soap from human fat. It is the testimony of Sigmund Mazur, who was a laboratory assistant at the Danzig Anatomic Institute.

p. 597
"I used this human soap for my personal needs, for toilet and for laundering. For myself I took 4 kilograms of this soap."
While I have only been able to find some corroboration for Porter’s claims, it is notable that in a single day of proceedings there are some amazing claims:

• Gas vans that can murder 60 to 80 at a time
• Electrified floor assisted murder
• Bizarre tree assisted murder
• Transportable crematoria (for those that like to cremate... on the move) and
• The famous soap and skin tanning projects (I used it myself!)

*According to wakipedia this Tolstoy is distantly related to Leo Tolstoy. Also he:
is credited with having produced some of the earliest works of science fiction in the Russian language. His novels Aelita (1923) about a journey to Mars and The Hyperboloid of Engineer Garin <<<Gagarin?>>>(1927) have gained immense public popularity. The former spawned a pioneering sci-fi movie in 1924. His supernatural short story, Count Cagliostro <<<an occult alchemist figure of some renown>>>, reportedly inspired the 1984 film Formula of Love
A sci-fi/fantasy writer investigated sci-fi/fantasy (sounding) crimes? How about that?
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The Holocaust occupies a position of unique significance in modern Western society. But to comprehend its current role, I think we must go beyond the events themselves and see the role it plays in current society.

In the aftermath of WWII, the Allied powers faced a major challenge. Despite defeating Germany, they had rained extensive death and destruction across Europe with bombings. How could win the hearts of the conquered population? death and destruction, families ripped apart..

They needed a narrative to unify Europe after one of histories largest slaughterings.

Step in the shoes of one the allied propagandists. Europe is destroyed, Germany bombed, dysfunctional, people are dying, millions of men dead. What do you do?

The Germans needed to be won over psychologically. The debacle after WW1 should could be repeated. The Germans should learn to love the allies, and hate their soldiers.

I think the work camps, due to their locations, away from cities, the fact that not many local people have been there or seen them, provided an excellent opportunity to craft a narrative giving propagandists a certain freedom to play with the facts.

I've read a lot of newspapers from the war period in Europe and it was not about work camps; It was a small thing in this huge war.

I think their solution was to develop a myth—an overarching narrative that painted the Allies as heroic liberators and Germany as an embodiment of evil. Making this minor part, the major part.

To win over the Germans mentally, the Allies had to turn German sons against their own fathers and leaders.

An enormous task. Incomprehensibly large. But they did it. Which in my opinion is an achievement in itself of the propagandists.

Sons needed to believe Allied propaganda over their own family experiences. They had to be convinced their own veteran fathers were ruthlessly murdering Jews during the war—not the protective, caring men they knew.

Sons needed to betray their fathers out of social shame. They were compelled to proclaim how much they hate what their fathers "stood for," even while remembering fondly the fathers they knew.

Maintaining the Myth

The myths are reinforced relentlessly through education and media. Any nuance or sympathy for the soldiers who fought and died for their country is forbidden by law.

This atmosphere of betrayal persists over 75 years later. It is encouraged through mandatory school field trips to camps, schooling, mandatory movies. The sons must perform despair over atrocities they did not commit, inherited from ancestors they are taught to hate.

I think this trans-generational shaming serves a political agenda. It is also a warning to future generations—submit to the narrative or become society's enemy. Which we see playing out around Corona for example.

Some methods of reinforcement include:
  • Criminalizing dissenting analyses or opinions
  • Mandatory Holocaust education starting in childhood
  • Daily media coverage of anniversaries, discoveries, survivor testimonies
  • Building monuments and museums in every municipality
  • Movie/TV dramatizations that amplify emotional impact
Building European Supranationalism
A key political outcome enabled by the Holocaust mythology was the centralization of power in Europe under supranational bodies like the European Union.

By entrenching guilt and shame within Germany, the US and other European nations could dominate the ripped apart German state. German following of EU / UN dictates is I think partially rooted in its supposed historical crimes necessitating moral atonement.

More broadly, the Holocaust narrative reinforced the idea that European nations must surrender sovereignty to prevent descents into fascism. It helped justify subjugating local populations to remote bureaucrats at the EU and UN level.

Elites exploit the myth to imply only suppression of patriotism and nationalism could prevent another Holocaust.

The Holocaust also served as an implied threat against dissent - that any resistance to EU authority could enable a fascist resurgence. It was a psychological cudgel used to beat populations into frightened submission.

By leveraging guilt over the Holocaust, elites convinced European nations to accept centralized EU power they would never have tolerated otherwise. The myth enabled the steady erosion of democratic self-determination across an entire continent.

Questioning the Myth
Despite the immense effort dedicated to reinforcing Holocaust mythology, cracks have emerged in the façade. As with any heavily propagandized narrative, inconsistencies and contradictions litter the official story under closer scrutiny.

For instance, camp survivor testimonies mention pools, orchestras, plays, soccer fields, hospitals and other amenities inconsistent with claims of constant brutality and murdering. Forensic analyses of gas chamber ruins refute design feasibility. Records show inmate populations far below stated figures. Photographic and video evidence is curiously sparse for such an enormous enterprise.

Challenging any aspect of the orthodox Holocaust story remains strictly forbidden. However, the truth does not require legal protection. Myths and lies are what demand censorship through political force.

Ultimately, preserving freedom of thought and open inquiry should take priority over any ideological agenda. Only by questioning the dominant myths of our age can we uncover the full truth. The Holocaust mythology is no exception.

But from the propagandist view it's fascinating - what we see today is propaganda, and what we have seen for 75 years is propaganda. This is not bottom-up developed content on the holocaust. I think it's a military operation that's been executed with enormous power and consistency. Still today, daily we read about the holocaust.

Do a news search on the holocaust on Googlw in the last 24 hours - you'll find more than a hundred articles. Every day, for 75 years.

Maybe it's all true, though I doubt it strongly. But I wasn't there. What is clear is that the narrative has been leveraged for 75 years to serve political goals. All the museums, expositions, articles, memorials, school curriculum - masterpieces of propaganda.

And I also need to acknowledge a positive outcome of this propaganda. Europe has seen no large war after WW2 and is more unified than before. Propaganda can serve a cause. If lies and myths keep us at peace, one could argue they serve an important need.

I though think Truth is most important for souls.
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panertos wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:12 pmMore broadly, the Holocaust narrative reinforced the idea that European nations must surrender sovereignty...
Interesting post, panertos.

You approached the Holocaust psyop from a down-to-earth, geopolitical perspective, giving plenty of practical reasons for maintaining the extermination narrative and the shaming, without invoking a single Judaic element. I like that. I tend to focus a bit too much on the questions of Judaic identity and Tikkun olam myself.
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Interesting post, panertos.

You approached the Holocaust psyop from a down-to-earth, geopolitical perspective, giving plenty of practical reasons for maintaining the extermination narrative and the shaming, without invoking a single Judaic element. I like that. I tend to focus a bit too much on the questions of Judaic identity and Tikkun olam myself.
Thanks. It's logical that we all focus on the Judaic element since that's primarily what we've heard about. If you were to ask people which 3 words come to mind when they hear "WW2," I think most would say Hitler, Holocaust, and Jews.

Propagandists, like magicians, direct our attention in a specific direction, while other actions are often hidden in plain sight. What happens in his right hand of the magician while he shows us his left?

And to strengthen the direction the propagandists create "false dilemmas" or "false dichotomies." As a citizen, you're either accepting Jewish victimhood or you are forced in the group that says the Jews are the cause of all evil in the world; bald-headed angry punk neo-Nazis from the '80s or Hawaii shirt-wearing "anti-Semites" with sunglasses cursing outside the synagogue. And these 2 forces go on in an endless spectacle.

This tactic remains a potent tool in propaganda, even 75 years after the war. Very similar to how the Corona narrative is played; you either accept the idea that the government tried to protect you from this pandemic, or you say "The government is running an extermination campaign and everyone is going to die who took the vaccine". The directional element is "this really matters". Instead of zooming out and thinking, what was going on here? How could 90% of all countries in the world in 2 weeks run the same program? Wasn't it just a flu? How were all countries unified in the measures under the WHO, while we are all in state of war?

Same, why do we need to hear daily on the holocaust in our news media? Just these articles in the last 24 hours (out of a selection of 100s)
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/08/20/ ... y-dies-95/
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the- ... -0h35776pm
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemi ... cle-755478
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/arnold-bloc ... -melbourne

Isn't that fascinating. Slam the drum. Drum. Drum.

Ofcourse the role of the Jews in WW2 shouldn't be minimized, they played a significant role in WW2, from influencing the US to enter the war, to swaying the USSR to the Allied side, in the countermovements all across Europe. In a Europe primarily defined by borders and national elites, elite Jews had an international network in politics, banking, media, and business. And we shouldn't forget the deal the Zionists made to secure Israel from the UK.

Interestingly, these sides of the Jewish role in WW2 don't see often in the history books. And that's logical from a propagandistic point of view; it needs to be very simple, clear and repetitive. And it could create great instability in the Western empire, what's the legitimacy of Israel without the holocaust? How would the Germans react?

But this endless talking on Jews withholds us from looking well at the power structures in France, the UK, the monarchies, the international cooperation. What's behind the curtain? Why is this so important? And why does it need to be reinforced daily?

There's much that needs to be remained hidden.

For example most people are unaware that after WW2, the Allies executed more than 250 Germans in Landsberg prison, primarily through hanging. Some of these executions were filmed. Comparatively, I have not seen such live footage related to the Holocaust. Yet, we're conditioned to see these as the actions of the "good guys."
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1000610 (Content warning)

Concluding
- Propaganda is a directional force; it's all about the holocaust.
- Propaganda reinforces this "false dichotomies" with endless conflict and news

I feel this is a form a slavery, people trapped in an endless "merry go round". Recycled story after recycled story. Always the same messages, repackaged.

It's literally the same as a washing powder commercial. Nothing changes. New faces. New scientists. New clothes. New stories. But exactly the same narrative.

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85OWkkChExA

When you work in marketing it surprises you at first, you have the feeling you need to come up with something brand new. That we are bored with the same narrative arc over and over again.

It's science, people behave predictably on certain stimuli, you just need to adjust a little bit, and it feels fresh.
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panertos wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:52 amBut this endless talking on Jews withholds us from looking well at the power structures in France, the UK, the monarchies, the international cooperation.
This may be so, but you seem to have answered it yourself in this passage:
panertos wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:52 amIn a Europe primarily defined by borders and national elites, elite Jews had an international network in politics, banking, media, and business. And we shouldn't forget the deal the Zionists made to secure Israel from the UK.
You mention the Judaic influence on the US and the USSR, but one might ask if WWI and WWII would have happened at all in the absence of this influence. And what exactly do we mean by "influence"?
panertos wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:52 am...they played a significant role in WW2, from influencing the US to enter the war, to swaying the USSR to the Allied side,...
Here is why I think we need to take a deeper look at the Cold War and its sister topic, Holocaustianity. Did the Judaics have to "sway the USSR" to the Allied side, or was the USSR essentially a Judaic state from the outset? Historian Andrey Diky appears to favor the second hypothesis. A couple of years before World War II, he published (*) a list of top-ranking officials in the Soviet Government. I have mentioned Diky´s book before, but for the sake of convenience, here is a link to the supplement of interest:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZOPXAc ... sp=sharing

If what the list shows is fair and correct, how does this impact our understanding of the Cold War?

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* Correction: The list covers the prewar years, but the book came out in 1967.
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