The Holocaust Under Review

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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Unread postby Kham on Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:47 am

ICfreely,

How about a third option:

Empire not only takes advantage of and uses people with a certain set of skills but also uses groups of people that may benefit empire. Is it the Jews secretly running things, or the Masons? What about the US Conference of Mayors? If one spends time in government one sees how vast is the necessary network of groups that provides products and services to municipalities, counties, states, jurisdictions and associated corporate entities. It’s a multilayered spider web of connections and cooperation that permeates through time. empire is just too damn large for any one group to be in control.

What a wonderfully crafted psyop to make one think that empire is so simplistic.
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Unread postby ICfreely on Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:16 am

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”Edward Bernays

https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1679&p=2395975&hilit=protocols#p2395975


[by Kham]

ICfreely,

How about a third option:

Empire not only takes advantage of and uses people with a certain set of skills but also uses groups of people that may benefit empire. Is it the Jews secretly running things, or the Masons? What about the US Conference of Mayors? If one spends time in government one sees how vast is the necessary network of groups that provides products and services to municipalities, counties, states, jurisdictions and associated corporate entities. It’s a multilayered spider web of connections and cooperation that permeates through time. empire is just too damn large for any one group to be in control.

What a wonderfully crafted psyop to make one think that empire is so simplistic.



Simplistic, eh?


Empire not only takes advantage of and uses people with a certain set of skills but also uses groups of people that may benefit empire.


Sorry, Kham, but I haven't the slightest clue what you mean by "Empire." Empire as in Persian, Greek, Roman, Ottoman, British, American...? If so, who bankrolled said empires?

empire is just too damn large for any one group to be in control.


I couldn't disagree more. But again, who/what is this “empire” you speak of?

That’s tantamount to saying that too many people would have to be “in on it” to pull off 9/11, the Apollo Hoax and Nuke Hoax. In reality, only a handful of people need to be “in on it.” All they have to do is to get others to “buy into it” and (knowingly or unknowingly) do their dirty work for them. It’s called compartmentalization (group and individual).

The fact of the matter is that the smaller the group, the easier it is to get things done. That’s one of the first things I learned in one of the upper division political science courses I took in college. My professor used the “shopping list” analogy:

If you go grocery shopping for with an “X” amount of dollars it’s pretty simple; you choose what you want to buy and don’t have to answer to anyone else.

If you do the same for yourself and your spouse, then you have to coordinate/compromise a bit.

If you do the same for yourself, your spouse and children, then you have to coordinate/compromise a bit more.

So forth and so on…

The bigger the decision making group is, the more challenging it is to get things done. This is especially true when it comes to pulling off nefarious plots.

Is it the Jews secretly running things, or the Masons?


I’ve never claimed that either “the Jews” or “the Masons” “secretly run things” but I’ll take a swing at you loaded question anyway.

I think the average Jew and the average rank and file Mason is as (if not more so) duped as anyone else. For Heaven's sake, not all Jews or all Masons need to be "in on it." In fact, they can't be. Ever!

I’ve personally known many Masons. In fact, one of my dad’s childhood friends (and best man at his wedding) from the old country is a 7th degree Mason. He’s an Iranian-Armenian who moved to the States in the late 60’s. The guy’s a baker by trade. He initially opened up a cookie shop and struggled for years to keep his head above water. Then a friend suggested he join the Masons and “network” to save his business. He did and by the late 80’s had parlayed his one cookie shop into a thriving franchise of 10 shops across So Cal.

On multiple occasions he tried to convince my dad to join. My dad wouldn’t hear it. He emphatically declined every single time. At the time I thought my dad was just being stubborn. I finally asked him why he refused and he replied, “Because I’m not willing to sell my soul. You’ll understand when you’re older.” I’ve personally been invited to join the Masons seven or eight times since my college years and (like my father and grandfather before him) have refused to do so every single time. The last time was here in Vegas a just few months ago. I always get the same line that my dad’s friend gave him:

“Oh don’t believe all that crazy conspiracy stuff. It’s nothing like that. It’s just business networking, that’s all…”

They actually believe what they say. They’re blinded by their own materialism. Useful dupes!

Pray tell, dear Kham, doesn’t it strike you odd that the founders of the Italian Mafia, Muslim Brotherhood and Ku Klux Klan were all Masons?
(https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1222&p=2397359&hilit=morals+and+dogma#p2397359)

Are all the rank and file members of the aforementioned groups “in on it” together? Do they need to be?

Who founded the Masons? Who founded the Knights Templar of yesteryear and pitted the Christian World against the Muslim World back then?

PROTOCOL No. 3
WE SUPPORT COMMUNISM
7. We appear on the scene as alleged saviours of the worker from this oppression when we propose to him to enter the ranks of our fighting forces - Socialists, Anarchists, Communists - to whom we always give support in accordance with an alleged brotherly rule (of the solidarity of all humanity) of our SOCIAL MASONRY. The aristocracy, which enjoyed by law the labor of the workers, was interested in seeing that the workers were well fed, healthy, and strong. We are interested in just the opposite - in the diminution, the KILLING OUT OF THE GOYIM. Our power is in the chronic shortness of food and physical weakness of the worker because by all that this implies he is made the slave of our will, and he will not find in his own authorities either strength or energy to set against our will. Hunger creates the right of capital to rule the worker more surely than it was given to the aristocracy by the legal authority of kings.

PROTOCOL No. 4
2. Who and what is in a position to overthrow an invisible force? And this is precisely what our force is. GENTILE masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects, but the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding-place, remains for the whole people an unknown mystery.

PROTOCOL No. 9
2. The words of the liberal, which are in effect the words of our masonic watchword, namely, "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," will, when we come into our kingdom, be changed by us into words no longer of a watchword, but only an expression of idealism, namely, into "The right of liberty, the duty of equality, the ideal of brotherhood." That is how we shall put it, - and so we shall catch the bull by the horns ... DE FACTO we have already wiped out every kind of rule except our own, although DE JURE there still remain a good many of them. Nowadays, if any States raise a protest against us it is only PRO FORMA at our discretion and by our direction, for THEIR ANTI-SEMITISM IS INDISPENSABLE TO US FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF OUR LESSER BRETHREN. I will not enter into further explanations, for this matter has formed the subject of repeated discussions amongst us.

PROTOCOL No. 11
7. For what purpose then have we invented this whole policy and insinuated it into the minds of the GOY without giving them any chance to examine its underlying meaning? For what, indeed, if not in order to obtain in a roundabout way what is for our scattered tribe unattainable by the direct road? It is this which has served as the basis for our organization of SECRET MASONRY WHICH IS NOT KNOWN TO, AND AIMS WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS SUSPECTED BY, THESE "GOY" CATTLE, ATTRACTED BY US INTO THE "SHOW" ARMY OF MASONIC LODGES IN ORDER TO THROW DUST IN THE EYES OF THEIR FELLOWS.

PROTOCOL No. 12
1. The word "freedom," which can be interpreted in various ways, is defined by us as follows
2. Freedom is the right to do what which the law allows. This interpretation of the word will at the proper time be of service to us, because all freedom will thus be in our hands, since the laws will abolish or create only that which is desirable for us according to the aforesaid program.

WE CONTROL THE PRESS
4. NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.

ONLY LIES PRINTED
17. Even nowadays, already, to take only the French press, there are forms which reveal masonic solidarity in acting on the watchword: all organs of the press are bound together by professional secrecy; like the augurs of old, not one of their numbers will give away the secret of his sources of information unless it be resolved to make announcement of them. Not one journalist will venture to betray this secret, for not one of them is ever admitted to practice literature unless his whole past has some disgraceful sore or other .... These sores would be immediately revealed. So long as they remain the secret of a few the prestige of the journalist attacks the majority of the country - the mob follow after him with enthusiasm.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA01/kidd/thesis/pdf/protocols.pdf



Is there any doubt that, after they've outlived their usefulness, Masons (the useful dupes that they are) will be scapegoated and tossed aside like the Templars were?

Is there any doubt that these Talmudic sociopaths will cry "anti-Semite," hide behind ordinary non-suspecting Jews and let them take the heat once again?

Is there any doubt that America (like Russia, Germany, Iran, etc...) will one day be branded as the No.1 "anti-Semitic" nation in the world?


Growing up in Iran I was a firsthand witness to the decency of Iranian Muslims. They treated Armenians, Assyrians, Jews, Arabs and other ethnic/religious minorities with a tremendous amount of respect. They do so to this day. The respect was/is mutual. No amount of propaganda will ever convince me otherwise. Ever!

Why was Reza Shah forced to abdicate his throne for allegedly being a Nazi (Hebrew for Prince) sympathizer?

Seeing as Iran is still home to the largest Jewish community in the Middle East (outside of Israel) and has never exiled them, why is Iran currently being portrayed as the No.1 “anti-Semitic” nation in the World?

Why do non-Iranian Jews believe such nonsense?

Why don’t the Jews who currently live in Iran leave Iran and take Israel’s standing offer to every Iranian Jew to migrate there? Could it be because they know that all Jews are not seen as equals in Israel? That in fact there is a three Jewish class system (1-Ashkenazis, 2-Mizrahis and 3-Sephardic) there? That they don’t want to live in a country where they are regarded as second class citizens? That they're perfectly content to stay in the place they consider their homeland?

Could it be that maybe, just maybe, there's a grain of truth to the following statement vis-à-vis why Iran's current regime was placed in power:

Nowadays, if any States raise a protest against us it is only PRO FORMA at our discretion and by our direction, for THEIR ANTI-SEMITISM IS INDISPENSABLE TO US FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF OUR LESSER BRETHREN.


Who are these "lesser brethren"?

Could there be any truth to the “Synagogue of Satan” thing? Those who say they are Jews but are not…

Do you find nothing odd/wrong/creepy with all the Purim "coincidences" from antiquity to the present?

Do you condone supremacism (white, black, Christian, Jewish, Muslim) of any stripe?

Could it be that "Goy Guilt" is the longest running "psyop" that has allowed Talmudic sociopaths to perpetuate their evil agenda against all of humanity (their "lesser brethren" included)?

Do you suggest I turn a blind eye to all of this for the sake of not offending the delicate sensibilities of ordinary "lesser brethren" Jews who are being duped?

Please, Kham, enlighten this simplistic mind of mine.


P.S.

I can go much, much deeper into this but at this point I doubt it'd do any good. Suffice to say, my preceding post was just the tip of the proverbial iceberg and I stand by every single word of it!
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Unread postby ICfreely on Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:29 am

On the origin of Empires

Sargon, king of Akkad, reigned from 2334 to 2279 B.C. From humble beginnings, he rose to great power, conquering Mesopotamia and parts of Iran, Turkey and Syria. Not only did he found an empire, but he kept it operating smoothly with the innovative use (at the time) of Akkadian bureaucrats installed in every conquered city. Akkadians, who spoke a Semitic language, originated in northern Mesopotamia, while Sumerians held the south. Sargon became the first person in history to create an empire, ruling over a multi-ethnic people. Sargon became a legendary figure; for thousands of years, Mesopotamians told heroic, epic tales of Sargon the Great and the Akkadian golden age.

https://www.historyonthenet.com/sargon-the-great-the-akkadian-emperor


Scholars have noted that the birth story of Moses is part of a larger motif of ancient literature, namely the exposed-infant motif. The ancients delighted in telling tales of their heroic leaders who at birth were exposed to nature, usually by their parents who, for one reason or another, did not desire their newborn sons. Among the most famous accounts are the stories of Oedipus from Greece and Romulus and Remus from Rome, along with the less well known but equally important story of Sargon of Akkad (in ancient Mesopotamia). There is a difference, however, between the Moses story and the other exposed-infancy narratives, for in Exodus, chapter two, the goal of Moses’ mother is not to be rid of the child but to save him. This occurs elsewhere in ancient literature only in the story of the baby Horus, whose mother, Isis, sought to protect him from his wicked uncle, Seth. The Hebrew and Egyptian stories share this crucial feature, which is lacking in the other parallels, and therefore beckon us to read the former in the light of the latter.

https://forward.com/articles/9812/the-subversion-of-myth/


Sargon’s mother was a Priestess (although this point is somewhat debatable: see a different trans.)
Moses’ parents are from the house of Levi (once the law is instituted, this is a priestly line)
Sargon’s life was concealed
Moses’ life was concealed
In order to keep Sargon concealed he was placed in a floating vessel made of rush, and covered in a pitch to seal it from water.
In order to keep Moses concealed he was placed in a floating vessel made of rush, and covered in a pitch to seal it from water.
Sargon was cast into the Euphrates by his mother
Moses was cast into the Nile by his mother
Sargon was rescued from the river and rose to prominence
Moses was rescued from the river and rose to prominence

http://www.mishlei-adam.com/2008/02/cont-abe-lincoln-sargon-the-great-and-moses/



Urukagina was the first reformer in world history to learn to his woe the wrath of the money lenders. As a pious devotee of the gods, his power came from the temple. He was a reformer more than he was a military general. His devotion was to his god and to his people. He followed the Mandate of Heaven in righting wrongs and protecting the weak. Those people who did not have land, he took the land of the moneylenders and returned it to the poor and the disenfranchised. Those people who had been sold into bondage by the moneylenders, he freed them and returned children to their parents and wives to their husbands. He took away from the money lenders their debt slaves and much of the property that they had swindled. And he confiscated much of the lands that they had stolen. He returned all of this to the people. And he did all of this with the blessings of the priests and the gods of Lagash.
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Every trade guild had its own patron deity. The brick maker's god was Kulla . The love goddess Inanna (later named Ishtar) was the patron deity of brothels and beer taverns. The patron deity of the moneylenders was the Moon God, Sin. This was not a bright god like Shamash, the Sun God, who was limited to only half the day. The Moon God lived in both the day and the night sky and was mysterious and full of secrets. His "day" began in the evening and he reigned throughout the night, a time when debt-slaves were captured and properties confiscated. The Moon God was the god of both the city of Ur in Sumeria and the city of Harran in Akkad. Both of these were major guild cities of the moneylenders and important cross-road cities for the merchants. Both Ur and Harran were the central terminals of the major trade routes. So, they also had located at each, the major temples for Sin , the Moon God, the god of the tamkarum [merchant-moneylenders] .

Lugalzagesi had provided the merchants and moneylenders the means of regaining their property by over-throwing Urukagina, the reformer king of Lagash. But greed is a demon that is never satisfied just as a fire is never satisfied by adding more fuel. The huge quantities of gold and silver that had been looted from the temples of Lagash gave the moneylenders new ideas for acquiring even more. This vast new source of bullion flowed into their businesses from the soldiers and laborers who had looted this wealth during Lugalzagesi's victories. For the sacking of temples as direct participants, the moneylenders could plead innocence before the gods. It was through their businesses that they gained all of this loot. Silver and gold made available to the people as war booty meant that the people had more silver to buy the grain, the garments, the beer, the prostitutes, the slaves and the luxury items that were the stock-in- trade of the merchants and moneylenders. War was very profitable to the winners. Profit meant power.

For the greedy moneylenders of Kish, Lugalzagesi had been a king for too long. His twenty- four year reign had allowed him to assemble all of the cities of Sumeria into one, single empire. This was the first time that all of Sumeria had been united in over one thousand years. But Lugalzagesi was a Sumerian and he was satisfied with being the king of Sumeria. He had been financed by the moneylenders of Sumeria to destroy Urukagina of Lagash and to eliminate the Semitic king of Kish before turning south and conquering all of Sumeria. He was happy with his victories and was not ambitious for further conquests.

Sargon kept secret his war preparations. With sufficient financing and access to the tamkarum [merchant-moneylender] trade routes, he did not need to do business with the Sumerian cities in the South for his supplies but could buy directly from the Semitic cities far to the north and west, away from the knowledge of Lugalzagesi. Directly to the west of him on the Euphrates was the city of Mari which was a major manufacturer of copper and bronze implements and weapons. After all, this was still the Bronze Age and such weapons could be bought through the tamkarum [merchant-moneylender] monopolies at Mari without raising suspicions. Once his army was armed and trained, Sargon struck swiftly, attacking Uruk and dragging away Lugalzagesi like a dog in a neck stock to be tied to the gates of Nippur.

Sargon the Great was a brilliant military leader as well as an innovative administrator. Sargon was the first king to unite all of Mesopotamia, both the north (Akkad) and the south (Sumer) under one ruler. His Akkadian empire became a prototype for later kings...

https://archive.org/stream/TheSumerianSwindle/SumerianSwindle_djvu.txt
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Unread postby Kham on Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:59 am

Definition of empire. It goes something like this (I’m still refining it): a collection of individuals and groups who work together for the benefit to themselves for the obvious purpose of maintaining a structured government in perpetuity, and because of perpetuity, nepotism and cronyism becomes the vetting structure when goods and services are needed.

Power needs support. In order for any group to have power and influence in a governmental arena it must be propped up and supported by other individuals, groups, and organizations over time in their specific areas. This takes a lot of collaboration and cooperation. Governments are these multi layered massive things that slowly morph over time to accommodated new needs. A statement such as ‘the Jews are in control’ only tells a fraction of the story. Who is propping them up and collaborating with them? And of what do they exactly control? What is their historical timeline?

ICfreely, Thank you for considering my response.

Take care,

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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Unread postby ICfreely on Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:35 am

A statement such as ‘the Jews are in control’ only tells a fraction of the story.


Would you please provide clarification on that simplistic quote, Kham? Is that your personal stance or do you mean to (wrongly) imply/insinuate that it's mine?

I appreciate your response but your working definition of "empire" doesn't work for me. IMO, it's too vague. It's impossible for two people to have a meaningful discussion on a given topic if they can't agree on the meaning of words (too Noam Chomsky-ish).

Anyhow, with your permission, I'll elaborate a bit on my Billy Graham/Christian Zionism post.
(https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1528&start=120#p2411999)


Billy Graham-Richard Nixon tapes: The one time Graham’s image was tarnished
Feb 21, 2018
By Debbie Lord

As Americans mourn the death of evangelist Billy Graham, you would be hard-pressed to find a time where “America’s Pastor” was held in anything other than the highest regard.

Graham managed during 60 years of preaching the Gospel to sidestep even a hint of scandal -- sexual, financial or otherwise.
However a revelation in 1994 of a conversation he had with then-President Richard Nixon turned out to be a source of embarrassment for Graham – not at the time it was disclosed by Nixon Chief of Staff H.R. Haldeman, but years later when a tape of the conversation was released by the National Archives.

At first, Graham denied comments Haldeman made in his book, "The Haldeman Diaries" that Graham and Nixon had disparaged Jews in a conversation following a prayer breakfast in Washington D.C. on Feb. 1, 1972. Haldeman said Graham had talked about a Jewish “stranglehold” on the country.

''Those are not my words," Graham said in May 1994. ''I have never talked publicly or privately about the Jewish people, including conversations with President Nixon, except in the most positive terms.''

Graham was believed and the matter dropped until 2002 when tapes from Nixon’s White House were released by the National Archives. The 1972 conversation between Nixon and Graham was among those tapes, and Graham had to face the fact that he had been recorded saying the things of which Haldeman accused him.

The tapes proved damning.

''They're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff,'' Graham had said to Nixon. The Jewish ''stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain,'' he continued.

Graham told Nixon that Jews did not know his true feelings about them.

''I go and I keep friends with Mr. Rosenthal (A.M. Rosenthal) at The New York Times and people of that sort, you know. And all -- I mean, not all the Jews, but a lot of the Jews are great friends of mine, they swarm around me and are friendly to me because they know that I'm friendly with Israel. But they don't know how I really feel about what they are doing to this country. And I have no power, no way to handle them, but I would stand up if under proper circumstances.''

Rosenthal was the Times' executive editor.

After the release of the tapes, Graham was horrified, according to Grant Wacker, a Duke Divinity School professor who wrote a book about Graham. He publicly apologized and asked for forgiveness from Jewish leaders in the country.

"He did not spin it. He did not try to justify it," Wacker told NPR. "He said repeatedly he had done wrong, and he was sorry."

''I don't ever recall having those feelings about any group, especially the Jews, and I certainly do not have them now,'' Graham said in 2002 when the tape was released. ''My remarks did not reflect my love for the Jewish people. I humbly ask the Jewish community to reflect on my actions on behalf of Jews over the years that contradict my words in the Oval Office that day.''

https://www.ajc.com/news/national/billy-graham-richard-nixon-tapes-the-one-time-graham-image-was-tarnished/DCj06gfORZJLYa30cLawWL/



President Richard Nixon, the Shah of Iran and Egypt’s President Anwar Sadat worked tirelessly, behind the scenes, on the Israeli Peace Process to no avail. Nixon resigned (to avoid impeachment) in 1974, The Shah abdicated his throne (to avoid bloodshed) in 1979 and Sadat was assassinated in 1981.

Henry “the ruthless pragmatist” Kissinger was Nixon’s National Security Advisor and Secretary of State (No one before or since Kissinger has held those two posts concurrently) and stayed on with Gerald Ford’s administration after Nixon resigned. A few weeks ago I watched a fascinating interview with a professor who’s written a new book about Nixon, Kissinger and Vietnam on C-SPAN. The author's conclusion, based on a tedious review of previously classified transcripts, was that Kissinger misinformed Nixon (thereby leading him to make horrible decisions) every step of the way on the war.

[If anyone finds the name of the book/author, I’d greatly appreciate it.]


Anyhow, Kissinger passed the NSA baton to Zbigniew “Green Islamic Belt” Brzezinski (without whom the “War on Terror” against “Radical Muslim Extremists” wouldn’t be possible). Zbigniew's daughter, Mika, is an MSNBC presstitute co-hoast with Joe Scarborough (the congressman who resigned because he was "fed up with DC politics" shortly before 9/11 when a female staffer "committed suicide" in his office).


Kissinger on Iran: Belts, Empires, and Getting it Wrong
by John Limbert

Henry Kissinger may be the grand old man of US foreign policy, but when it comes to understanding Iran, his analytical skills have begun to fade. In his NPR discussion with Scott Simon, broadcast Sept. 6, Kissinger got it monumentally wrong. One can only be grateful he is no longer making policy.

What is it about being national security adviser that leads to ill-advised “belt” meta¬phors? In the late 1970s, President Carter’s adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski famously (and incorrectly) spoke of a geographic “green belt” of Islam that would defend the Middle East against Soviet aggression. It turned out that, if such a belt existed, its inhabitants in Iran and Afghanistan—no matter how much they disliked the Soviets—inflicted serious damage on the United States. In the Iranian case, they toppled one American president (Carter) and nearly brought down another (Reagan).

Now Kissinger is talking not only of belts, but also of Persian empires. He told NPR that Iran is a “bigger problem” for the US than the vicious Islamic State, which is commonly referred to as ISIS. “There has come into being a kind of a Shia-belt from Tehran through Baghdad to Beirut,” said Kissinger. “And this gives Iran the opportunity to reconstruct the ancient Persian Empire, this time under a Shia label.”

Nonsense. As a scholar of history and a Harvard PhD, Kissinger should know better…

https://lobelog.com/kissinger-iran-belts-empires-and-getting-it-wrong/



I’m sure Kissinger & Brzezinski had America and Iran's best interests at heart. Surely they meant well. They just got the calculus wrong that’s all. And I'm positive that their hearts bleed for all of their fellow Jews.


'It Wouldn't Be U.S. Concern if U.S.S.R Sent Jews to Gas Chambers', Kissinger Told Nixon
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5151896



Nothing to see here, folks, keep it movin’.
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Unread postby simonshack on Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:15 pm

ICfreely wrote:
'It Wouldn't Be U.S. Concern if U.S.S.R Sent Jews to Gas Chambers', Kissinger Told Nixon
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5151896


Nothing to see here, folks, keep it movin’.


Dear ICfreely, lest that 2010 Haaretz article disappears one day from the internets (and thus, from history) - I feel compelled to archive it - in its entirety - here on Cluesforum. It's just too funny. I will format its headlines with similarly huge bold-type as can be viewed on the Haaretz website.


'It Wouldn't Be U.S. Concern if U.S.S.R Sent Jews to Gas Chambers', Kissinger Told Nixon


Former American president can also be heard making many disparaging comments about 'abrasive and obnoxious' Jews on the 1973 recording, including: 'I don't want any Jew at that [state] dinner who didn't support us in that campaign'.

Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told President Richard Nixon that if the Soviet Union sent its Jews to the gas chambers, this would not be an American concern, the New York Times reported Saturday.

The 1973 conversation, recorded on a newly released batch of White House tapes from the final months before Nixon's presidency became consumed by the Watergate affair, took place shortly after the U.S. president had met with Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir.

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Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.Bloomberg

Meir had apparently raised the issue of the oppression of Soviet Jewry and the possibility that the Americans would press the Soviet Union to allow the Jews to emigrate. Kissinger, the Times reported, can be heard saying: "The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern."

Nixon, according to the report, replied: "I know. We can't blow up the world because of it." :wacko:

The American president can also be heard making many disparaging comments about Jews on the recording, from telling his secretary "I don't want any Jew at that dinner who didn't support us in that campaign" - referring to the state dinner held for the Israeli prime minister - to stating that "The Jews are just a very aggressive and abrasive and obnoxious personality."

Other groups singled out by the president were the Irish, who he said "can't drink" because they "get mean," along with the Italians, who he said "don't have their heads screwed on tight."

Nixon also made disparaging remarks about African Americans, saying they would be able to strengthen the United States only after 500 years, because they would need to be "inbred."


Amazing -in more than one way. -_-
What a silly world we live in,
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Unread postby ICfreely on Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:16 am

It’s been said that faith is the opposite of fear. That if one truly has faith in a higher power (God) one is impervious to worldly fears.

The tapes proved damning.

''They're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff,'' Graham had said to Nixon. The Jewish ''stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain,'' he continued.


When the tapes were released and Billy Graham’s faith was tested:

"He did not spin it. He did not try to justify it," Wacker told NPR. "He said repeatedly he had done wrong, and he was sorry."


He succumbed to fear and condemnation from the Anti-Defamation League & American Jewish Council.

Why Is There A Prolific Jewish Presence In The American Feminist Movement?
Harlan Blackwood October 26, 2015

Dr. Nathan Abrams, a Jewish Professor at Bangor University in the UK has essentially said that the Jews were the driving force behind the modern day porn industry. In fact, he even wrote a piece about it in Jewish Quarterly called “Triple-exthnics.”

http://www.returnofkings.com/72572/why-is-there-a-prolific-jewish-presence-in-the-american-feminist-movement



Dear ICfreely, lest that 2010 Haaretz article disappears one day from the internets (and thus, from history) - I feel compelled to archive it - in its entirety - here on Cluesforum. It's just too funny. I will format its headlines with similarly huge bold-type as can be viewed on the Haaretz website.



I’m glad you did, Simon, because when I clicked on the Jewish Quarterly link I couldn’t find Dr. Abrams’ article. Fortunately, I managed to find a copy on scribd.

Triple-exthnics
Nathan Abrams on Jews in the American porn industry
Jewish Quarterly | Winter 2004 - Number 196

Like their mainstream counterparts, Jews who enter porn do not usually do so as representatives of their religious group. Most of the performers and pornographers are Jewish culturally but not religiously. Many are entirely secular, Jews in name only.

Those at the forefront of the movement which forced America to adopt a more liberal view of sex were Jewish. Jews were also at the vanguard of the sexual revolution of the1960s. Wilhelm Reich, Herbert Marcuse and Paul Goodman replaced Marx, Trotsky and Lenin as required revolutionary reading. Reichʼs central preoccupations were work, love and sex, while Marcuse prophesied that a socialist utopia would free individuals to achieve sexual satisfaction. Goodman wrote of the ʻbeautiful cultural consequencesʼ that would follow from legalizing pornography: it would ʻennoble all our artʼ and ʻhumanize sexualityʼ. Pacheco was one Jewish porn star who read Reichʼs intellectual marriage of Freud and Marx (lukeford.net):

https://www.scribd.com/document/111175827/Triple-Exthnics-Nathan-Abrams-on-Jews-in-the-American-Porn-Industry



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“Advocating for Israel and Jewish people. Defending democratic values for all.”
https://www.ajc.org/



Just what exactly are these “democratic values” that the American Jewish Council speaks of?


The Downfall of Abba Hillel Silver and the Foundation of Israel - Ofer Shiff (2014)

…In Silver’s view, the Purim holiday represented a recurring story in history, from the days of Pharaoh to the days of Nazism –a story of a Jewish minority living peacefully until its fate was reversed without warning. On the face of it, this was a view that presented anti-Semitism a recurring historical phenomenon that periodically threatened Jewish life in the Diaspora. However, in the second part of the speech, Silver completely turned around this deterministic message. In his view it was incumbent on Jews to fight courageously like Mordecai and Ester; however, they had to do so by expressing their faith in universalistic values of democracy: “any Jew, who…does not fight for democratic human life, is underwriting his own suicide.” Silver described this latter struggle as an objective much more critical than the Zionist objective of bringing the Jews from Nazi Germany to the shelter being built in Palestine

https://books.google.com/books?id=_xWQAwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Downfall+of+Abba+Hillel+Silver+and+the+Foundation+of+Israel&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj87pT7rL3gAhXjLX0KHff4CYAQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=The%20Downfall%20of%20Abba%20Hillel%20Silver%20and%20the%20Foundation%20of%20Israel&f=false



Great Jews in Robes
By Samuel Goldman
Summer 2017

David Dalin’s Jewish Justices of the Supreme Court is thus something of a latecomer to the library of communal success, but it is nevertheless a very revealing study of the elevation of Jews to the pinnacles of American society as matters have unfolded on the United States’s highest judicial body. Just more than a century after Louis Dembitz Brandeis took his seat in 1916, defying vociferous and sometimes anti-Semitic opposition, hardly anyone finds it strange that the nine members of the court include three Jews. This means that Jews now enjoy a representation more than 15 times greater than their presence in the general population…

How did this amazing state of affairs come about? One explanation is that Jews have a special affinity for the legal profession. Early in the book, Dalin quotes Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s version of this argument. In an introduction she wrote to a previous volume about Jewish justices, Ginsburg contends that:

There is an age-old connection between Judaism and law. For centuries, Jewish rabbis and scholars have studied, restudied and ceaselessly interpreted the Talmud, the body of Jewish law and tradition developed from the scriptures. . . . Jews prized the scholarship of judges and lawyers in their own tradition, and when anti-Semitic occupational restrictions were lifted, they were drawn to the learned professions of those countries in which they lived. Law figured prominently among those professions. . . . And, as it evolved in the United States, law also became a bulwark against the kind of oppression Jews had endured throughout history. So Jews in large numbers became lawyers in the United States, and some eventually became judges.


It is fair to say that Ginsburg is articulating perennial themes of the Jewish success literature rather than expressing a wholly original thought. Among the reasons that the argument recurs so frequently is that it allows Jews with only attenuated connections to traditional Judaism to sustain a sense of piety. The association of Judaism with law suggests that it doesn’t matter if Jews are ignorant of sacred texts or important rituals; so long as they’re experts in mens rea or Chevron deference, they can see themselves as successors of great rabbis. The elision of the distinction between divine and secular law helps Jews who cherish the idea of cultural continuity but have no interest in traditional learning to rationalize their indifference to religion.

https://jewishreviewofbooks.com/articles/2665/great-jews-in-robes/
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Re: The Holocaust Under Review

Unread postby ICfreely on Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:42 am

Goy Guilt 101:

It's OK to criticize fanatic Christian extremists and fanatic Muslim extremists but thou shalt not criticize fanatic Jewish extremists because no such thing exists.


The blood libel against Planned Parenthood
Jeffrey Salkin
January 28, 2016

“Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?”

Slightly more than sixty years ago, Joseph Nye Welch used those words to challenge Senator Joseph McCarthy. Welch was the chief counsel for the Army during the Army-McCarthy hearings. Those words signaled, both to the unscrupulous, Red-baiting senator, and to the nation, that Mr. Welch was fed up with McCarthy’s antics.

That was how I felt the other day. A Houston grand jury had been investigating accusations of misconduct against Planned Parenthood — the infamous videos that purported to show Planned Parenthood officials trying to illegally profit from the sale of fetal tissue.

Instead, [in an “ironic” Haman-esque twist of fate] they decided to indict David R. Daleiden, the director of the Center for Medical Progress, an anti-abortion group, and Sandra Merritt on charges of tampering with a governmental record for using fake driver’s licenses to gain access to a Planned Parenthood facility in Texas. Daleiden also faces a misdemeanor related to purchasing human organs.

“These people broke the law to spread malicious lies about Planned Parenthood in order to advance their extreme anti-abortion political agenda,” Eric Ferrero, a spokesman for the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said.

Has the Center for Medical Progress, indeed, no sense of decency?

To be clear: reasonable people can disagree on the ethics of abortion.

Not only can they — they do.

But doing so through false — grotesquely false — means certainly dampens the moral stridency of abortion opponents. You are free to be pro-life (whatever that means), but you cannot be anti-truth.

Moreover: the deliberate targeting of Planned Parenthood obscures the fact that only a tiny portion of Planned Parenthood’s budget goes towards abortion. Its main mission is to provide reproductive health services — and other kinds of health services — to women.

In short — you go after Planned Parenthood; you’re going after women’s health.

Plain and simple.

So, what do we have here? We Jews know this territory quite well. We Jews know that the first thing that haters do is they make up lies — often revolving around the harm that the Other is planning against children.

What we got here, my friends, is nothing but a good, old-fashioned blood libel.

Here is how it played out. (Trigger alert for the squeamish, and/or those who like children, or matzah, or red wine).

During the Middle Ages, anti-Semites routinely accused Jews of various crimes against society. The most prominent of these was the blood libel, in which Jews were accused of kidnapping Christian children, killing them, using their bones for Passover matzah, and their blood for wine.

(By the way, wine enthusiasts: this is precisely why the tradition arose to allow white wine at the seder. It’s not only because of a love for chardonnay or sauvignon blanc. It was because medieval Jews didn’t want any passersby to think that they were drinking, well, you know….)
Why did people think that?

Christian doctrine taught that the Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus. It wasn’t until the Second Vatican Council of 1965 that Pope John XXIII absolved the Jews of deicide. (Many Catholic school kids in my neighborhood didn’t get the memo from the local priests; they accused me of single-handedly, and 2000 years before I was born killing Jesus.

A blood libel appears in Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales. Sometimes, the dead children (who had always been killed by a local Christian) became venerated as saints — for the sole purpose that they were alleged victims of the hated Jews.

(Some churches in my hometown were named for those sainted victims. Sweet, huh?)

And, lest you think that the blood libel is merely a souvenir of a long-ago, outmoded medieval past, the charge popped up in modern times. It happened in Damascus in 1840. It happened in Russia, with the 1913 Mendel Beilis trial, depicted by Bernard Malamud in his novel The Fixer.

In the same year, there was the infamous Leo Frank case in Georgia, in which a Jew was accused of killing a young girl; even though the case lacked the gore of a traditional blood libel, it fits the general category. In 1927, there was a blood libel case in Massena, in upstate New York.

And in our time, the blood libel has shifted — onto the Jewish State. Arab propaganda has often accused Jews of having a taste for Arab blood. In the presence of Hillary Clinton, Suha Arafat, Yassir’s wife, falsely accused Israel of poisoning Palestinian air and water.

Just two months ago, accusations surfaced that Israelis were secretly harvesting Palestinian organs — accusations so baseless, and so evil, as to be incomprehensible to the civilized mind.

In fact, when you consider the numerous accusations against the Israel Defense Forces — accusations that would never have been made against other armies involved in defensive activities — you would be correct in assuming that, yes, the blood libel is alive and well.

So, yes — the attack on Planned Parenthood was a modern blood libel. It was a cynical lie. Its creators manufactured it for one purpose — de-funding an important, life-saving institution.

Here is the great thing, though: [Talmudic] justice was done. The ["]truth["] won.

This time. But the threats to women’s reproductive health will continue, which is why those who care must remain vigilant.

https://religionnews.com/2016/01/28/planned-parenthood/



Rabbi Jeffrey K. Salkin is the spiritual leader of Temple Solel in Hollywood, Fla., and the author of numerous books on Jewish spirituality and ethics, published by Jewish Lights Publishing and Jewish Publication Society.
https://religionnews.com/author/jsalkin/



Using Orwellian doublespeak to describe Planned Parenthood as “an important life-saving institution.”

Shamelessly obscuring the fact that 96% of Planned Parenthood’s business goes towards abortions.

Give me a friggin’ break.

Has, Rabbi Jeffrey K. Salkin, indeed, no sense of decency?


Planned Parenthood's annual report is out: Another unhappy tale
By Cathy Ruse, opinion contributor — 01/28/18

While Planned Parenthood persists in claiming that abortion is just 3 percent of its business, this statistic has been widely discredited. It conflates the number of clients with number of “services:” For instance, a pregnancy test, counseling, and medication is each counted as a separate non-abortion “service” for every one abortion client.

Prenatal services down dramatically. Planned Parenthood helps bring fewer babies into the world each year. Prenatal services dropped to a new low of just 7,762. That represents a drop in prenatal services of nearly 2,000 from 2016 and a drop of nearly 10,000 from the 2014-2015 period. Curiously, adoption referrals were reported to increase this year by exactly 1,000, to 3,889.

Taken together, these services represent just a tiny fraction of Planned Parenthood’s baby-related business: 4 percent directly helping bring babies into the world (through adoption and prenatal services), 96 percent taking them out (through abortion).

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/371078-planned-parenthoods-annual-report-is-out-another-unhappy-tale



The (not so) good Rabbi can take his self-righteous indignation and shove it up his tuchus.


Researchers Discover Abortion Regret Is Not A Myth

Posted by Daniel Christiansen on Jul 19, 2016 10:51:59 AM

About 50% of women who receive a medically induced abortion believe they are terminating the life of their unborn child.

The reality of terminating a life is not something that many can ignore. For numerous women who have an abortion, the decision will not result in empowerment, as pro-choice advocates [like the National Organization for "Women"] would have one believe, but in mourning and pain. Mourning the immediate loss of a life unlived, and the pain that may come from experiencing serious mental health repercussions down the road.
...
https://www.care-net.org/abundant-life-blog/researchers-discover-abortion-regret-is-not-a-myth


The same cast of characters that bemoan “think of the children” to pass more stringent gun control laws promote/encourage abortions in the name of “women’s reproductive health”, and vaccinate children by mandate. They encourage young men and women to enlist in the military and fight wars against "evil-doers" abroad and celebrate them as heroes only to turn around and use specially crafted "mental disorders" as a pretense to prohibiting them from owning guns once they return.

And lest you thinks it's just "the Jews" who promote such evil, it should be noted that Planned Parenthood (an Orwellian name in and of itself) was founded by the Rockefeller clan and is supported by the Ford's and other wealthy "Christian" philanthropists.
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