The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby fbenario on Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:07 am

simonshack wrote:Mind you, it seems that the folks at the LIVERPOOL JOHN MOORES UNIVERSITY are behind the theories that the dinosaurs caused a Jurassic global warming and, basically, farted themselves to death:

The folks at LJMU may also be connected to all the NASA cosmology crap.
Axeman/astrophysicist May named university chancellor

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Rock guitarist Brian May is named today as chancellor of Liverpool John Moores University.

The lead guitarist and songwriter for Queen, who recently completed his much-delayed PhD in astrophysics, succeeds Cherie Booth QC as ceremonial head of the institution.

Earlier this year, May was made an honorary fellow of the university for his contribution to the arts and encouraging the public understanding of science through his book Bang! the Complete History of the Universe, co-authored with Chris Lintott and Sir Patrick Moore.

Previous works included We Will Rock You, Fat Bottomed Girls, Tie Your Mother Down, I Want It All and Who Wants To Live Forever. But his website mixes music and astrophysics; May's blog today deals with the hyperbolic orbits of interstellar particles, for instance.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2007/nov/19/highereducation.news
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby anonjedi2 on Tue Apr 01, 2014 2:19 am

Might I also suggest an additional reason for this hoax story?

If I search for "Dinosaur Hoax" into Google, I get the following:

1st result - from hoax-slayer.com, an article about a Dinosaur Egg hatching in Berlin. This article is from March 13, 2014. It is a very recent article that has pushed this cluesforum thread down the page by one. (From 1st result to 2nd result).
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/dinosaur-egg ... hoax.shtml

2nd result - this cluesforum thread.

3rd results - The Hoax Archive - Paleontology Hoaxes (If you haven't seen this page, it's worth a few minutes of your time).
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/arch ... leontology

3 out of the next 7 results are related to this Dinosaur Clone Hoax.

In other words, now that this story is in the webosphere, 3 out of the first 10 (one page of search results) bring it up. Three previous results that rank lower (for whatever algorithmic reasons they choose <_< ) have been pushed down and/or off the first page of results.

Of all the dinosaur related research I've done (and I've been at it semi-regularly since this thread began), this cluesforum thread is by far the most comprehensive, detailed, intelligent, reasonable and serious discussion of the dinosaur question.

Within just the past 2 weeks there have been 2 dinosaur hoax stories hit the web and change the search results and rankings. I dare say there are people out there who would rather not see this thread in the first page of results and wouldn't be surprised if we see more Dinosaur "hoax" type stories come out in the near future. The purpose of this is to muddy the waters and dilute the research by making (or attempting to) the research more difficult to find. Have more people been searching for "Dinosaur Hoax" in the last year since this thread first began?

For comparison, searching for "Dinosaur Hoax" puts this thread at the very top with no mention of the clone story on the first page of results. I assume it's because you would need the word "clone" in between the two keywords. So, this discussion sits at the very top of that specific internet search.

More stats:

Searching for dinosaur hoax conspiracy - Cluesforum does not show up on the first page.
Searching for "dinosaur hoax conspiracy" - Only 7 results total, cluesforum not one of them.
Searching for dinosaur conspiracy - Cluesforum does not rank on the first page.
Searching for "dinosaur conspiracy" - Cluesforum does not rank on the first page.

Here is a graph from Google Trends:
Blue represents searches for Dinosaur Hoax
Red represents searches for "Dinosaur Hoax"
Yellow represents searches for Dinosaur Conspiracy

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From Google trends:
The numbers on the graph reflect how many searches have been done for a particular term, relative to the total number of searches done on Google over time. They don't represent absolute search volume numbers, because the data is normalized and presented on a scale from 0-100. Each point on the graph is divided by the highest point, or 100. When we don't have enough data, 0 is shown.


Note the following:

1) Starting in September 2013, there was a spike in searches for "Dinosaur Hoax" (blue line). That spike continued exponentially in Feb-March (mostly due to these news stories).

2) There is also a redline spike for "Dinosaur Hoax" that occurs in March.

If you'd like to play with this Analytics and see the numbers for yourselves, here it is:
http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q= ... acy&cmpt=q

Unfortunately there isn't enough data to go back more than a few years but it's interesting to see how quickly the results can change just from one or two stories. In conclusion, I believe we are witnessing the start of a search engine campaign to skew the results and keep the research hidden (or try to at least). Currently, if you do search for Dinosaur Hoax related strings on the internet, there really isn't much out there. That will change quickly, I presume. <_<
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby lux on Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:02 pm

^ Good work!
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby anonjedi2 on Wed May 21, 2014 12:35 am

'Biggest dinosaur ever' discovered in Argentina

Fossilised bones of a dinosaur believed to be the largest creature ever to walk the Earth have been unearthed in Argentina, palaeontologists say.

Based on its huge thigh bones, it was 40m (130ft) long and 20m (65ft) tall.

Weighing in at 77 tonnes, it was as heavy as 14 African elephants, and seven tonnes heavier than the previous record holder, Argentinosaurus

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environ ... 13?SThisFB
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby Evil Edna on Wed May 21, 2014 3:18 am

The Google Doodle for today is in recognition of Mary Anning, the posthumously revered fossil-hunter from the south-west of England.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 06691.html

Anning was never recognised in her time. Shunned as doo-lally; the result, some say, of being struck by lightning as a child. Or perhaps she was ignored as a crank simply because she was one. Back then, resistance to the Dinosaur Hoax was stronger than it is now, with the Church condemning dinosaurs as fake and an assault on the Creationist view.

Either way, it's apparently Anning's 215th birthday. Bit of an arbitrary anniversary that one - the 215th; Google struggling to find new doodle subjects? Or are we scraping the barrel for any excuse to rake-up the dinosaur hoax?

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As for Anning - 'the greatest fossilist the world ever knew' - she exudes a certain simmy feel; as if she was created much more recently.

Her entire life was supposedly dedicated from a young age to fossil-hunting during which, she apparently made "many great discoveries, including several..fine ichthyosaur skeletons." But, says this page at Berkeley, perhaps her most important find, from a scientific point of view, was her discovery of the first plesiosaur..."

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Plesiosaur

And yet "comparatively little is known about her life" and there are no contemporary references to Anning.. Except this (according to wonkypedia)...
"In 1839 she wrote to the Magazine of Natural History to question the claim made in an article, that a recently discovered fossil of the prehistoric shark Hybodus represented a new genus, as an error since she had discovered the existence of fossil sharks with both straight and hooked teeth many years ago... The extract from the letter that the magazine printed was the only writing of Anning's published in the scientific literature during her lifetime."


Was "Mary Anning" just another sim; manufactured later to sell the hoax?
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby simonshack on Wed May 21, 2014 11:07 am

Evil Edna wrote:The Google Doodle for today is in recognition of Mary Anning, the posthumously revered fossil-hunter from the south-west of England.


I just find it a bit funny that, in Swedish, "Jag har ingen aning" means "I haven't got a clue". :lol:
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby Evil Edna on Wed May 21, 2014 11:36 pm

Suitable name, she's certainly leaves me baffled and clueless! <_<

A Google news search indicates that today's (?) doodle has already spawned a whopping 20,700 news articles on Anning. Not bad going for someone who probably didn't exist!

Noteworthy that the Fabian Left is now re-fashioning Anning into a feminist folk hero - unknown in her day simply because she was a woman, so they claim. Which fits usefully into their populist theme about the absence of women figureheads today. The feminist meme affording them plenty more column inches to plug Anning and, more importantly, 'her' Dinosaur Hoax.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/the- ... ry-geology
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby anonjedi2 on Thu May 22, 2014 3:13 am

Coincidentally (or not), the word "Dinosaur" has a numerology values of 11 and 47. <_<
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby daozen on Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:14 am

If anyone is interested in buying real dinosaurs fossils...

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/fossils.html
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby hoi.polloi on Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:36 pm

daozen wrote:If anyone is interested in buying real dinosaurs fossils...

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/fossils.html


Interesting choice of name, and marketing. "Taylor Made Fossils" on an archaic and obscure Angelfire hosting site. Do they sell the traditional joke souvenir "dinosaur poop" as well?

It is something like this that makes me doubt the existence of dinosaurs even more.
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby daozen on Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:49 am

hoi.polloi wrote:
daozen wrote:If anyone is interested in buying real dinosaurs fossils...

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/fossils.html


Interesting choice of name, and marketing. "Taylor Made Fossils" on an archaic and obscure Angelfire hosting site. Do they sell the traditional joke souvenir "dinosaur poop" as well?

It is something like this that makes me doubt the existence of dinosaurs even more.


Yeah the brand name is very very :lol:

but hey... " If we don't have it we will find it for you! We can find real fossils or replicas and get you the lowest price anywhere. "

:P :lol:
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby guivre on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:10 am

New spin on the asteroid story reads suspiciously like today's ecology news:


Asteroid's 'bad timing' killed off dinosaurs, new evidence shows

Edinburgh University experts say asteroid hit Earth at a time when ecosystems had been weakened by a loss of biodiversity


If the asteroid had hit a few million years earlier, or a few million years later, dinosaurs probably wouldn’t have gone extinct.' Photograph: Don Davis/AFP/Getty Images

Dinosaurs might have survived the catastrophic impact that ended their reign had the devastating asteroid that slammed into the Earth arrived at a "more convenient time", a scientist has claimed. As a result humans would probably not exist.

The violent collision 66m years ago, which occurred in the area that is now Mexico, triggered tsunamis across the oceans, caused powerful earthquakes and released enough heat to start many fires.

Material thrown into the air descended as acid rain, and also blocked the sun's warmth, cooling the Earth temporarily, perhaps by tens of degrees celsius. A thick blanket of dust that was thrown up darkened the globe, affecting plants and other photosynthesising life.

The devastation wrought by the impact almost certainly explains the sudden death of the land-based dinosaurs, according to fresh analysis of the latest data.

But one scientist on the team said the beasts might have prevailed had the asteroid struck earlier or later than it did.

Steve Brusatte, a paleontologist at Edinburgh University, was in an international team of researchers who reviewed the evidence on dinosaur extinction. The group looked at work done on prehistoric climate and temperatures, changes in sea levels, volcanic activity and biodiversity, before reaching a consensus that the asteroid was the prime culprit.

"The asteroid almost certainly did it but it just so happened to hit at a bad time when dinosaur ecosystems had been weakened by a loss of diversity," Brusatte said. "If the asteroid had hit a few million years earlier, or a few million years later, then dinosaurs probably wouldn't have gone extinct."

The scientists' report, published in Biological Reviews, found that while, largely, the dinosaurs were faring well at the time of the asteroid impact, the big plant-eating types, including the horned triceratops and duck-billed dinosaurs, had suffered a loss of biodiversity.


Oh, I see. I wonder if this triceratopian lack of diversity stems from the fact that scientists have reduced the number of species, due to misidentifying juveniles. :lol: (Covered earlier in this thread.)

A simple web search of "loss of biodiversity" brings up a slew of doom porn from all areas of science:

Diet.
Disease.
The most common comparison is with Climate Change

Jobs in biodiversity, however are booming! This is how it's being posed to our young people:

Human activity and population growth are increasing the pressure on natural ecosystems and many biologists believe we are currently experiencing the sixth global mass extinction. If you want to help mitigate this trend and actively participate in the management and research of threatened species and communities, then this major is for you.


http://www.studyat.uwa.edu.au/courses/c ... on-biology

HURRY! HURRY! <_< At least it'll get people to take a biology course or two.
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby Libero on Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:26 pm

-- A thought provoking choice to include a dinosaur on the roof of a Ripley Odditorium whose motto challenges the patron to "Believe it or not!"

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http://www.family-vacation-getaways-at- ... tions.html


According to his wiki, founder Robert Ripley, among his many talents also appears to have been an amateur anthropologist and looks to have connected with a big media mogul.

With a proven track record as a versatile writer and artist, he attracted the attention of publishing mogul William Randolph Hearst, who managed the King Features Syndicate. In 1929, Hearst was responsible for Believe It or Not! making its syndicated debut in seventeen papers worldwide.


I suppose, of course that it couldn't have been a bad idea business-wise to have a "Believe it or not!" section to sway attention from savvy readers who eventually might have realized that the "information" provided throughout the entire paper should have been scrutinized with the same level of skepticism. <_<

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ripley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripley%27s ... _It_or_Not!
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby gwynned on Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:57 pm

BIG NEWS! They may have found the BIGGEST (cough, cough) dinosaur of all time, with the curious name of DREADNOUGHTUS (dread-not-us???).
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/science- ... de-n195306

Lacovara and his colleagues estimate that the creature measured about 85 feet (26 meters) long, 30 feet (9 meters) tall, and weighed about 65 tons (59 metric tons). That weight is the equivalent of a dozen elephants, or seven tyrannosaurs. And an analysis of Dreadnoughtus' microscopic bone structure suggests that it could have gotten even bigger. "When it died, it was still growing," Lacovara said.


I have to hand it to Brian Williams for keeping a straight face. Weighed as much as a 737. Is there a message here?
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Re: The (non-religious) dinosaur hoax question

Unread postby lux on Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:39 pm

This is a photo accompanying the above article showing paleontologist Kenneth Lacovara next to a portion of his find, said to be "the right tibia bone":

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I thought the photo looked odd and took a closer look. The edges of Lacovara's figure have that pasted-in "halo" around the edges:

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And, a FotoForensics analysis definitely suggests that Lacovara's figure and the rest of the "photo" have different source images:

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http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=1c96418a67f0aba3ec246db22a69ea91d5c0d0b3.73674

Since there seems to be fakery afoot here my guess is that the props in the above "photo" (brush,pen,jar,ruler) are miniatures.

So, my conclusion is that we cannot judge the size of this “find” by looking at the above manipulated image since the image appears to be intentionally falsified. And, I see that Lacovarna has also made a name for himself in other “landmark” dinosaur “finds” including one that “filled an important gap in bird evolution.” source
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