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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by nonhocapito » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:05 am

Browsing through Not so impressed with the choice of "evidence"...
UPDATE 11/9 – Anon has learned of a password secured area for Comet Pizza This is extremely odd for a pizza place. Within hours, Anon had infiltrated the servers. I’m not a hacker, so I’m just relaying information here, but it seems there is extensive security which even our best men have not been able to breach. ALL THAT TO PROTECT A PIZZA JOINT? They have confirmed the coded files names able to be viewed but not downloaded are video files.
"infiltrated the servers", "extensive security not able to breach", "viewed but not downloaded". None of these sentences makes actual sense, unfortunately. It seems to me a typical baiting language meant to make nothing sound as something... I might be wrong, but a quick glance at the html source of the page tells me that the login/protected area is nothing but a built-in connection to the app "jimdo", i.e. the cheap ass quick service they used to put together this website for the purpose of this psyop. In any case I doubt it would be reassuring for super-elite pedos to login into a public website in order to be serviced with child pornography.

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by Knapsack » Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:57 pm

Absolutely--some of their "evidence" is pathetic indeed. For example, with regards to the Podesta brothers and the McCann kidnapping, many proponents of Pizzagate are claiming that "the Podestas have been confirmed as having been in Portugal on the day that Madeleine McCann disappeared!" But what is their evidence?

From "Victurus Libertas":
One of our FBI insiders can confirmed the Intelligence community indicates John and Tony Podesta were in Praia da Luz, Portugal on May 3rd 2007– the day Madaline McCann vanished.

The Podesta brothers were staying with a friend named “Clem” . Clement Freud, the grandson of psychopathology sex expert Dr. Sigmund Freud, who was known to be a pedophile. This is a quote from our insider: “Of greater interest is that fact that Freud owned a villa in Praia da Luz.” ... ne-mccann/

Wow, very convincing. <_< One of their "FBI insiders," eh?

However, as we well know, there is a ton of disinformation regarding 9/11, but that doesn't mean the official story of 9/11 is true. This could be a "discredit by association" tactic. I'm keeping an open mind about all of this, but there are definitely some very worrying aspects of this purportedly grassroots investigation.

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by Flabbergasted » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:35 pm

There are many extravagant and far-fetched esoteric explanations for the famous 14-fish picture of John Podesta attached to a wikileaked e-mail message (

However, it may not be worth the commotion: ... 8d8.625019

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by Ataraxia » Fri Dec 02, 2016 12:33 am

As disconnected as it may seem, I think the smearing of Podesta is being done to purposely smear climate change belief and to lead back towards an accepted climate change skepticism/denialism in society. Perhaps we see this too in the way that Trump was allowed to win the electioin. Podesta founded and ran the Center for American Progress, which developed sites like, one of the leading sites on climate change belief. In their own words: “ThinkProgress is a news site dedicated to providing our readers with rigorous reporting and analysis from a progressive perspective. Founded in 2005, ThinkProgress is an editorially independent project of the Center for American Progress Action Fund.”

Podesta also acted as climate chairman for Hillary Clinton and is “widely credited as the brains behind Obama’s climate change plan, published in 2013.” It was even hinted that he’d become the Secretary of Energy under a Clinton administration. Now by making him look like such a fool, it casts a dirty cloud over everything he’s been associated with and gives a green light to oppose his climate plans. It causes more division, more hatred, more anger, etc.

They even did this same thing before. Rajendra Pachauri was the Chairman of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (which for those who don’t know was the leading force in climate change belief, winning a Nobel Prize for their efforts in 2007), yet in 2015 he was accused of sexual harassment and was forced to retire. He and the IPCC have become pretty much a joke since then. All those who previously defended him are forced to remain silent. Much the same with Podesta. In that 14-Fish photo posted above, he just looks like a goof. How was that guy the leading climate change advocate in the country, whose personal beliefs and actions affected the lives of hundreds of milllions of people? These are created characters they can build up and destroy at whim.

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by ICfreely » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:32 am

Ataraxia » December 1st, 2016, 4:33 pm wrote:As disconnected as it may seem, I think the smearing of Podesta is being done to purposely smear climate change belief and to lead back towards an accepted climate change skepticism/denialism in society.

With all due respect, Ataraxia, I highly doubt your premise. Trump, the slimy politician that he is, reversed his position before the election. You see, according to his handlers, he believes "Global Warming" is naturally occurring rather than man-made. He's toeing the tired Property Party line, I'm afraid.

Trump Reverses On Global Warming — It’s ‘Naturally Occurring,’ Not A ‘Hoax’
Michael Bastasch 10:22 AM 09/27/2016

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump’s campaign hit back against criticisms he believes global warming is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.

Campaign manager Kellyanne Conway told CNN that Trump “believes climate change is naturally occurring.” She also laughed off evidence of Trump calling global warming a hoax on Twitter.

“I just love that, that this whole man, whether he’s giving a, ‘yeah, I guess so,’ answer to Howard Stern about invading Iraq as a private citizen on an entertainment radio show, or through a tweet, we’re supposed to understand all of his policies,” she told CNN Tuesday morning, according to Politico.

Trump faced off against Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in the first presidential debate Monday night, and Clinton quickly attacked the real estate mogul for suggesting global warming wasn’t real.

“Donald thinks that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese,” Clinton said during the debate. “I think it’s real.”

“I did not. I did not. I do not say that,” Trump responded.

The media was quick to fact-check Trump, turning up a 2012 tweet where he said “the concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

Trump tweeted in 2013, “Ice storm rolls from Texas to Tennessee – I’m in Los Angeles and it’s freezing. Global warming is a total, and very expensive, hoax!” Not long after, he tweeted global warming was a “con job.”

Trump made similar comments on the campaign trail, but Conway said he actually believes global warming is naturally occurring, not man-made.

“He believes climate change is naturally occurring. We don’t know what Hillary Clinton believes because nobody ever asks her,” Conway added.

Clinton, however, did say she believes global warming is man-made, and touted her plan to make the U.S. a green energy “superpower.”

[...] ... ot-a-hoax/

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by aa5 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:45 am

The average people in a nation won't be reading for and against arguments about a complex issue like emissions regulations, anytime soon. But something the average person does pay attention to is personalities and people involved in dramas.

Throw in some inappropriate sex in the story, people caught in lies, weird but interesting characters.. and all of a sudden voters are tuning in and taking a side.

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by pov603 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:10 am
The saga of 'Pizzagate': The fake story that shows how conspiracy theories spread
Is this a case of TPTB circling the wagons or is it nipping fake news in the bud?
Either way, Joe-public becomes apathetic, TPTB win.

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by hoi.polloi » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:57 pm

I am sure TPTB don't care about exposing steamy sex habits. They know that abuse, especially of the disadvantaged or vulnerable, will still go protected by a population turned on itself by their predator super class.

It does give us the illusion they care, though. And that's a rather dangerous assumption.

I am personally glad when we discuss protecting children from insane criminals. The question, of course, is whether the insane criminals we have identified still go free to wreak havoc, while others selected for effigy are punished?

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by nonhocapito » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:35 am

Warning: Lack of cynicism and traces of the author's gullibility can be found within this post.

Browsing through the circlejerk pizzagate threads that still happen here and there on different boards, I bumped into this old pastebin:

This is a transcript of two threads in which an alleged "anonymous FBI analyst" gave some insight on the Clinton Foundation, back in July.

I am not venturing to prove whether any of the content is true, because there is no way to do it without a lot of journalistic research into the foundation and its activity. At moments this transcript seems to be touching political truths, in others feels faked or trolling. It could be just a political attack during an heated electoral transition. Most likely a bit of everything and in any case without any corroborative evidence to support any of the statements, or meaningful hints to look in the right direction.

Yet the Q&A does contain an interesting take on the situation in the U.S. government as of now. What this thread alleges is that the U.S. government is corrupt to the highest level and in its entirety because of the Clinton Foundation, which recklessly has operated against the interests of the U.S. government selling "weapons, favors, intelligence, and people".

The point of this is implying that some organs of the apparatus (i.e. the FBI) might realistically be trying to fight this monster of corruption from within... This could help explaining the somewhat unexpected election of Trump; the leaking; the empty yet compelling unprovable memes like pizzagate etc.
If it's true that the Clinton Foundation cannot be brought down, because it would mean bringing down the whole government, it is at least possible to imagine entities trying with every mean possible to diminish its power and thwart its plans.

As some readers of this forum might know, I tend to lean towards the idea that at any time there are groups of power fighting -- and not one great entity controlling everything, something that doesn't resonate with me as credible or logical or consistent with what I have the presumption to have learnt about human nature.

"FBIAnon" suggests Soros as the entity behind the Clinton Foundation, and in general a group of super-powerful who imagine and promote themselves as rulers of the world. This fits with one too many conspiracy theories... I haven't the slightest idea whether there's any truth to it -- nor honestly I have a way to actually find out. What matters to me though is that personally I suspect the "super elite" to be projecting their ambition, their wishful thinking on us, and that every time we talk about "them" as one singular "NWO" group in control of it all, we actually do them a favor and give them a tiny orgasm.

This doesn't mean that any given group isn't ready to use fakery to its ends, or is not enamored with power first and foremost, more than it would ever stop to think about justice or emancipation of people: so I am not here suggesting we should side with one or the other puppeteer. Here I am merely trying to take a photo of the submarine battles I suspect to be real and which we cannot see, and wondering if this possible insight on the corruption of the American system might be of any help at all in understanding one of them.

some quotes:
Q: what would happen if all the Clinton Foundation secret records were released publically?

A: I said that in the last thread, total chaos. The government would be exposed at every layer, who pays who, who buys what, and no one has yet asked about all the human trafficking bits I have been laying out.

A: If leaking data en mass destroys my country, we betray the country. If we do nothing, we betray the country. I am not disagreeing with you. I am saying the situation is more complicated when you are inside, and you do not have the breadth of info that I have that would make your eyes fall out of your skull if you know what all was going on.

A: Killing Hillary would not cause this problem to go away. The problem is with the Clinton Foundation as I mentioned, which you should just imgine as a massive spider web of connections and money laundering implicating hundreds of high-level people. Though I do not have a high opinion of Hillary, she is just a piece - albeit a big piece - of this massive shitstorm.

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by OpticalIllusion » Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:45 am

Well real or not this turned into what I was expecting for the "remove fake news" psyop that's been unfolding through the nwo puppets. This is how these problem-reaction-soulution psyops work they need a story to sell to the sheeple the need to remove fake news before it leads to a mass shooting. Even though these are false flags and no one is really involved the points are sold to the gullible by the mind control masters via TV and media. Look at the quote from the article are you awake or a sheep?

A man has been arrested and charged after shooting an assault rifle inside a Washington DC restaurant while “self-investigating” a fake news report which claimed Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring inside the pizzeria.

Edgar Maddison Welch, 28, of Salisbury, North Carolina entered Comet Ping Pong restaurant on Sunday and pointed his rifle in the direction of a restaurant employee, according to The Washington Post. Fortunately, that employee was able to flee and notify police.

Welch then began shooting inside the restaurant. Diners were able to flee, escaping injury. Many of them poured into the nearby Banana Leaf Indian restaurant.

Welch was arrested around 45 minutes after he entered Comet Ping Pong, according to Interim DC Police Chief Peter Newsham, who said that officers arrived at the scene minutes after receiving the first call.

Welch told investigators that he came to the restaurant to "self-investigate" a fake news story dubbed 'Pizzagate,' which circulated online in the days before the presidential election, according to a police statement.

Problem-Reaction-Solution Fake News psyop to remove alternative media/information.
"Despite the story being entirely unfounded, it has resulted in death threats against the owner of the restaurant, its employees, and its patrons. The owner was forced to contact the FBI, local police, Facebook, and other social media platforms in an effort to have the fake story removed from the internet." ... t-clinton/

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by nonhocapito » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:29 pm

Somehow I expected this story to get a bit bigger...
2016-12-05 17_45_52-Debauchery.jpg
from ... &ned=en_us

"fake news" :mellow:

The gunman is one "Edgar Maddison Welch", who works in cinema. According to the pizzagate people on reddit & c, he is the son of this producer: (I neutered the link because it seems by going on this website you get infected with a trojanware, at least that's what my antivirus tells me. ) Both this website and the personal website of this alleged father look utterly fake to me.

All in all, it seems fakery central is hard at work in the effort to make this pizzagate story into something, and I wonder why.

[EDIT: on the other hand it is true that this development could be blown out of proportion, or kept rather quiet, and it seems MSM has decided not to talk about it that much. So if this is a psyop, perhaps it's not coming from the same people -- or it is done with a different purpose in mind.]
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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by hoi.polloi » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:13 pm

Good digging, nonhocapito.

Based on the chaotic nature of the ideas rife with potential for icky trauma if you get emotionally invested, my intuition tells me this is a way to generate "compassion fatigue" in the public and therefore stop all investigations into criminal pedophile rings.

It's a card we've often seen played with other movements. Black Lives Matter was hijacked and Occupy was also hijacked.

Anything that benefits the public's awareness of just how criminal our criminal politicians are must be stopped, from their perspective.

It also conveniently ties back to the "fake news" meme, which is meant to simultaneously exhaust and overwhelm the average person with trauma associated with critical discernment.

To me, it tells me we are closer to exposing some very nasty things by promoting the idea of complicity between military, media and "government". This is a distracting smoke screen.

"Aha, you got me!" cries another sim, as the perps pretend to persecute traitors to humanity. Meanwhile, as we already know, the "fake news" meme causes average people to reinvest in the idea that the corporate entertainment "news" actually utilizes real journalists.

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by SacredCowSlayer » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:40 pm

nonhocapito » December 5th, 2016, 7:29 am wrote:Somehow I expected this story to get a bit bigger. . ."

All in all, it seems fakery central is hard at work in the effort to make this pizzagate story into something, and I wonder why.
I'll venture a guess as to "why".

Just in case the fear of being called a "conspiracy theorist" isn't enough, here's another one for us.

To me this reads: "Yeah, those crazy conspiracy people just might go on a rampage because they are so unhinged."

Stories of "self investigators" combined with acknowledged "fake news" stories would serve to add yet another prophylactic barrier to the average person being open to asking critical questions outside the safe confines of the "acceptable" "news" sources.

The fear of ridicule and DBA efforts seem to be more effective than any law might be. In fact, one could argue that a law that attempts to restrict free speech would have the opposite effect.

BUT, the discussion (of whether such a law is needed) itself would likely be enough to establish that extra psychological barrier that I suspect is intended (at least in part) from this story.

That's my initial reaction to this most recent story any way.

It will be interesting to see what comes of this. Thanks for covering it here, since I'm not going anywhere near it outside CF. I can't afford to get "sucked in". There just isn't enough time or energy to spare at the moment.

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by dblitz » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:29 am

Vigilant Citizen has removed the link to his pizzagate article from his homepage.

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Re: Pizzagate

Unread post by nonhocapito » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:59 am

dblitz » Today, 12:29 wrote:Vigilant Citizen has removed the link to his pizzagate article from his homepage.
This is interesting. VC has no problems making all sorts of assumptions into pedophilia and satanic rituals and super-vague secret elites just by commenting music videos, yet backpedals on creepy instagram and emails of Washington influential people connected to the Clinton Foundation and the current political scenario in DC... Alex Jones has also "disavowed" pizzagate saying that the "pizza place" cannot be the center of it all, innocent people can get caught in this etc etc. Yet, as I said earlier, it is incredibly easy to get closer to the "center" just by going to Washington and start talking to people in government, which none of the "independent media" is doing.
Bottom line, why isn't the fake opposition jumping on a story which after all confirms all of their assumptions and theories, all the pedo-elite stories that have been circulating since the eighties?