Engineering disease

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by HonestlyNow » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:55 pm

patrix » December 16th, 2018, 5:35 pm wrote:But humans aren't herbivores you see HN and that's why it's a bad idea for us to eat raw grass. I hope you can follow.
I follow perfectly. We are frugivores.
patrix wrote:"We require living energy" (stated as some kind of self evident fact)
Well, go take a Solid Food Vacation, and then you'll also see it as a self-evident fact. It's time to test out an idea whose time has come. If you don't explore this other modality yourself, how can you speak on it?

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by simonshack » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:23 pm

HonestlyNow » December 16th, 2018, 10:17 pm wrote: That's not to say that any other species that are not in their optimal environment won't eat something that is not their optimal species specifice diet. This also doesn't discount the fact that humans have a species specific diet.
True. Environment is crucial. That's why the USA has such a huge obesity problem, no?

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by Kham » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:48 pm

PURE CARBON FOR THE MOST COMPLEX CARBON BEINGS

Consider the following.

We humans are the most complex carbon beings on the planet because of our brains and everything about us, our teeth, the saliva in our mouths, our digestive system not needing our gallbladders for digestion of fruit, our ribbed intestines which slow down elimination for high absorption, the length of our intestines, our nimble fingers, our climbing ability, how fruit sugars enter our cells without the help of insulin as a carrier all point to pure carbon in the form of fruits sugars as our natural food source.

In the tropics where modern humans originated trees were fruiting year round. One mature fruit tree can feed dozens of families. Is this an accident or perhaps the reason we are complex?

I understand we are socialized to eat certain foods and have hankering’s for this food on which we are raised. Just because we were raised on certain foods doesn’t mean those foods are best for the human body. One might be inclined to rationalize the necessity for certain foods based on desire.

Since this thread is about diseases, the connection is that when we eat foods for which we are not designed it harms the body and therefore populations over time, among other factors. Populations across the world are having more and more health problems, and through the dirty lymphatic systems of mothers they are unintentionally passing dirty lymphatic systems running through the placenta on to their babies. We are now seeing babies born with cancers but if one looks to the mother you will see she is also in poor health. Good health is all about the cleanliness of the lymph fluid which surrounds every cell. That is not disinformation, it’s chemistry.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by Kham » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:07 am

Patrix,

Robert Morse is not just some yootoober, as you disrespectfully put it. He has many degrees including chemistry. Robert Morse has over 40 years of clinical practice. He has a thriving herbal business in which he sells healing herbs taking very little profit. Robert has written books on healing for lay people as well as health professionals. He also has a naturopathic school that can barely keep up with demand. Robert runs seminars all over the world that sell out quickly. His current clinic address and phone number are written below.

The videos didn’t start until much later in his career. Robert recognized the power of the internet so he started making videos of his clinical experience in helping thousands find their remedy in order to help so many more. He’s just an old country boy, as he likes to put it, that made a discovery about the human body and wants to share it with the world.

Feel free to call his clinic and verify his experience and his cancer cure rate of over 90%.

Dr. Morse's Herbal Health Club
525 Tamiami Trail, Unit 5
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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by SacredCowSlayer » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:31 am

Dr. Morse is legit. I’ve been profoundly impressed with his material.

Dani and I are (slowly) going through a lot of research on the lymphatic system, and she is looking forward to posting on it soon.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by patrix » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:25 am

Kham » December 17th, 2018, 4:07 am wrote:Patrix,

Robert Morse is not just some yootoober, as you disrespectfully put it.
Unfortunately I've got limited time Kham, but I've looked at nutrition and medicine for many years and concluded that claims that animal fat/meat is harmful to humans is not based on science.
A diet with a high intake of plants, especially processed vegetable oils, soy products, grains and high amounts of sugar (fruits, soda) is on the other hand very problematic. Especially in the long run since it creates malnutrition and toxic buildup which can lead to the plethora of western diseases. Animal fat (and some protein) is simply both an essential nutrient and a clean source of energy for the body. All data points to this and the gigantic global experiment (or hoax as I would rather put it) that's been going on since the 70s were we've been advised to eat less animal fats has been absolutely devastating to the health of the worlds populations.

You've made the same erroneous claims here as I've seen for example Nutritionists make. Mixing up nutritional ketosis and ketoacedosis to make it appear that ketosis is harmful. Claiming the body requires glucose. There are a few cells in the body that cannot run on ketones, but the liver will create the glucose needed for them in a process called glucogenesis. Carbohydrates are in fact a non essential nutrient. We can go by indefinitely without them.

But as I wrote before. Nutrition and medicine have become an area where we needn't worry about details like science and the scientific method and it's strange to see a valiant defender of science like you Kham in other areas like astronomy to seem so indifferent to this.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by HonestlyNow » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:26 pm

patrix » December 17th, 2018, 3:25 am wrote:I've looked at nutrition and medicine for many years and concluded that claims that animal fat/meat is harmful to humans is not based on science.
Hmm.
Perhaps, "nutrition and medicine" and "science" have not an inkling of interest in pursuing a study in that which would put "nutrition and medicine" out of business. Therefore, if that is the case, there would be no "science" for you to study in the raw fruit living sphere of inquiry, and therefore, it would leave the study of such to a grassroots level of inquiry, i.e., people like you and me, who can get guidance from those who are further along the same path.

Disclaimer: This is not to say that medicine has no place in our lives; acute cases (emergencies) can be helped by a good medical doctor to bring stasis to the body. Good surgeons are needed as well, so long as they aren't cutting out body parts!

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Re: Engineering disease

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Re: Engineering disease

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Where public health systems are moving is to determine payments with QALY. QALY is a quality of life year gained. So each country can decide how much it is willing to spend to gain 1 QALY.

In the UK the government is willing to pay up to ~$50,000 USD per QALY. Of course as you can imagine there is massive pushback against this. Basically imo from all the scam therapies and the legion of people employed to provide them, that actually don't do much. Cancer treatment seems questionable to me. Like in places where the person gets blasted with these drugs, and yet only gains a few months of life, of poor quality of life.

The UK is willing to spend about 10% of its economy on public health care. And then the way to maximize the impact of that money, is to spend the most on the therapies with the biggest bang for the buck.

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Re: Engineering disease

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by ICfreely » Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:42 pm

I’m going to make a good-faith attempt to answer some of your questions, patrix.

I’ve brought up the question of Cancer a few times here and the hypothesis (shared by many) that this disease may have a fungi/microbe root cause and that our current cancer pandemic may have been intentionally engineered (shared by fewer). See my previous posts

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2027&start=390#p2406584
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=2027&p=2406612#p2406612

Fungi produce airborne spores for reproductive purposes. We all constantly inhale countless spores on a daily basis.

I asked you about your view on microbes and Seyfrieds research but you haven’t answered. I would appreciate if you do “So you question the existence of microbes?
No I don’t question the existence of microbes per se. I’m assuming the following is your working definition of “microbes”.
Microbe

Definition

noun: microbes

Any of the microorganisms, especially those causing diseases or infections

Supplement

The term microbe was coined to refer collectively to the microscopic organisms, including bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and viruses. However, the term is used commonly to denote to any of the bacteria that are harmful, pathogenic.

https://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Microbe
Then please explain what it is that can be cultivated in a petri dish?

I studied mycology under the tutelage of the late Clifton Morris and cultivated all sorts of fungi in Petri dishes using natural and synthetic culture media. First, you expose different substrates to many environmental variables (i.e. indoor/outdoor, humid/dry, hot/cold, light/dark etc.) for a given duration. Then you examine, under a microscope, what (if any) types/species of fungi were cultivated. Anyone can do this nowadays with a $200 microscope and internet access to look up the identifying characteristics of the different species of fungi. You can leave a piece of bread or slice of lemon out and cultivate Penicillium chrysogenum. That technically answers your question.

At this point I think it’s important to differentiate between in vitro and in vivo.

in vivo means, literally, "in the living." In biochemistry it indicates that an experiment is being done in conditions that precisely mirror those existing in nature, usually within a natural organism.

in vitro, in contrast, means, literally, "in glass," or "in a test tube." It indicates an experiment carried out in an artificial environment, usually conditions that are intentionally simplified.

https://www.princeton.edu/~cebic/vivovitro.html

Petri dish experiments are in vitro and as such don’t necessarily translate into in vivo situations. Unfortunately the line between the two has often been blurred and false conclusions been drawn among researchers and laymen alike.

Moving on, there are other working definitions of “microbes”.

Did You Know?

A hint of the Greek word bios, meaning "life", can be seen in microbe. Microbes, or microorganisms, include bacteria, protozoa, fungi, algae, amoebas, and slime molds. Many people think of microbes as simply the causes of disease, but every human is actually the host to billions of microbes, and most of them are essential to our life. Much research is now going into possible microbial sources of future energy; algae looks particularly promising, as do certain newly discovered or created microbes that can produce cellulose, to be turned into ethanol and other biofuels.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/microbe

The advent of the microscope has in many ways done more harm than good. For instance, when blood cells were first viewed under the microscope by germ theorists they jumped to the conclusion that the cells were the germs they’d long theorized about. Then it was bacteria, fungi, etc…

In examining “diseased” tissue, forensic pathologists have been quick to label all these previously unseen natural elements “pathogens” which in their estimation need to be weakened or eliminated by synthetic pharmaceutical drugs (poisons).

I’ll use an oversimplified analogy to make my point.

Every time you see a building on fire you notice that professional firefighters are present. You conclude that professional firefighters are the root cause of fires and must be eliminated to prevent future fires. The more professional firefighters you remove the worse the fire situation gets so you start going after volunteer firefighters.

What happens when something organic decompose?

I’m not sure what you mean by this question. Everything decomposes. That’s life. Trees decompose; become soil – the substrate that makes the cultivation of seed and future trees possible.

How does milk turn sour?

The same way a bitten apple turns brown – oxidation. Milk is meant to be consumed immediately (preferably direct from the breast). Otherwise it must be bottled, refrigerated and “preserved”.

Hope that helps, patrix. I’m trying really hard to keep in mind that what comes out of my mouth is more important than what goes into it. If any of my answers help you along your journey, then great. If not, then so be it. Either way, I encourage you to play nice.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by patrix » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:56 pm

ICfreely » December 22nd, 2018, 3:42 pm wrote:
How does milk turn sour?
The same way a bitten apple turns brown – oxidation. Milk is meant to be consumed immediately (preferably direct from the breast). Otherwise it must be bottled, refrigerated and “preserved”.

Hope that helps, patrix. I’m trying really hard to keep in mind that what comes out of my mouth is more important than what goes into it. If any of my answers help you along your journey, then great. If not, then so be it. Either way, I encourage you to play nice.
Dear ICFreely,
I hope I'm not perceived as not playing nice, but I will speak up if I see things I believe I'm knowledgeable about if I don't understand or disagree.

So do you attribute milk turning sour or organic decomposition solely to oxidation? If so that doesn't make sense.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by SacredCowSlayer » Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:56 pm

ICfreely » December 22nd, 2018, 8:42 am wrote:
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I’m trying really hard to keep in mind that what comes out of my mouth is more important than what goes into it. If any of my answers help you along your journey, then great. If not, then so be it. Either way, I encourage you to play nice.

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Thank you for that post dear ICfreely.

The sentiment expressed at the end was so eloquently stated that I nearly moved it to the “Engineering Nutrition” Topic. :)

Be well everyone, and have a healthy Christmas while serving up kindness to those around you. People are in desperate need of it.

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by ICfreely » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:51 pm

Be well everyone, and have a healthy Christmas while serving up kindness to those around you. People are in desperate need of it.
Same to you, SCS. Moderating CF is a thankless/cumbersome task. I don't know how you & Hoi do/did it. My hat's off to the both of you. I couldn't do it in a million years.

I hope I'm not perceived as not playing nice, but I will speak up if I see things I believe I'm knowledgeable about if I don't understand or disagree.

Not at all, patrix. I'd expect nothing less of you. If we all agreed on everything, then no progress would be made. Having said that, I tend to agree with Flabbergasted's statement, "In fact, when all circumstances and factors of a topic are taken into account, disagreement tends to diminish."

So do you attribute milk turning sour or organic decomposition soley to oxidation? If so that doesn't make sense.

In general, yes. Oxygen, of course, isn't the sole contributor to organic decomposition. If an apple or a glass of milk sit out long enough, then they eventually will get decomposed by fungi via airborne spores. I'm not sure if that's what you're alluding to. Fungi, in a sense, are nature's recyclers. They play a crucial role in our environment and bodies. Life, as we know it, wouldn't be possible without them.


P.S.

While we're on the topic of fungi, I'll share a little joke from my mycology coursework days.

Q: How do you go about ensuring an optimal environment for fungal cultivation?

A: Treat them the way politicians treat the population at large; feed 'em sh-t & keep 'em in the dark. :P

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Re: Engineering disease

Unread post by ICfreely » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:23 am

In the late 1970’s my mother, a perfectly healthy woman in her early 30’s, was diagnosed with “breast cancer” by a top OBGYN in Iran. The mammogram revealed a dot in her left breast. Suffice to say, it was devastating not only to her but my entire family. My dear father, desperate to do anything in his power to save her from this dreaded “disease”, took her to all the top oncologists in Western Europe and North America. The consensus was to cut/burn/poison (mastectomy/radiation/chemotherapy). We were told that the holy trinity of oncology had worked. It was a miracle. The “cancer” was in remission.

It wasn’t that simple, of course. The specialists had to monitor her “disease” and the administration of continued “strategic doses” of chemotherapy. My poor father spent roughly $1.5 million on plane fare, hotel accommodations and astronomical medical fees (no healthcare insurance). The more chemotherapy she received, the sicker she got. At a certain point she decided not to take the pills anymore. Shortly thereafter her condition dramatically improved. She hid the pills and pretended she was taking them as prescribed. Can you imagine the guilt she must have felt? Her husband was spending top dollar on meds she wasn’t even taking. She felt she had to keep it a secret from everyone because no one in the family would understand (I come from a family of doctors - both sides through blood and marriage). They would all tell her to follow the doctor’s orders. But her body was telling her otherwise.

Long story short, our housekeeper found the stash of meds, a big brouhaha ensued and my mom was back on the meds again. In a year or two the “cancer” was back in full force. Again, the consensus was to cut/burn/poison. Not surprisingly, her condition severely deteriorated. The “cancer” had “metastasized.” She was “terminal.” Seeing as her mother and siblings lived in the States my father decided to leave behind a lucrative business, home and practically all possessions in Tehran and move our family to the City of Angels where she could be surrounded by her loved ones in her dying days. This was at the height of the Iran Contra Affair no less. Good times. She finally succumbed to “cancer” on 7-11-87.

Fast forward to the mid 1990’s. I’m about to graduate high school and have to do the obligatory career counselor meeting thing.

Counselor: What do you see yourself doing for the rest of your life?

Me: I want to become a landscape architect.

Counselor: What?! Are you insane? With your GPA? I highly recommend you become a doctor or lawyer.

Those are the only two logical paths “smart” people pursue after all, right?

Law was out. I despise debates. The whole concept of being able to successfully argue both sides of a case was a huge turn-off. Forget the merits; it’s all about honing your persuasion skills. No thank you! (No offence meant, SCS/fbenario)

Medicine, on the other hand, was slightly more appealing. One of my mom’s dying wishes was for me to become a doctor. Contrary to popular belief, doctors know next to nothing about the medications they prescribe. Pharmaceutical research is where all the action’s at. So I did the pre-med thing with the aspirations of becoming a pharmaceutical researcher and “finding the cure for cancer.” Oh the naivety.

By the second semester of my junior year in college I began to see the medical system for the sham that it was/is. It was a little late in the game to change majors. I considered dropping out but decided against it due to societal pressures. Went through the motions, got my degree and threw it in a closet. It’s an expensive worthless piece of paper as far as I’m concerned.

If you’re a pre-med student with the aspirations of becoming an M.D. and/or Ph.D. you’re constantly worried about three things; GPA, MCAT scores and last but certainly not least professor recommendations. Professor recommendations are key. They can make or break you. Everyone knows it. Seeing as they only give out a handful of recommendations per graduating class student conformity is ensured. You’re so preoccupied with making the grade and making a good impression that you don’t have the time to think let alone learn anything worth knowing. But I digress.

Back to mammograms. They’re not only useless but dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. They’ve been around since 1969. Look into the number of “breast cancer” diagnoses pre/post 1969 and connect the dots folks. It doesn’t take a “genius” to figure it out.

I can back up my stance with detailed sourcing. It’ll take me some time to do so. It’s a sore subject for me and I really don’t look forward to it. I think there are enough critical thinkers in this forum who can pursue this matter if they so choose.



I wish you all a Merry Christmas, happy holidays and a happy New Year.



P.S.

The following article is a good start but you have to go through a lot of weeds to pick out the few flowers.

Experts Now Advise Against Mammograms for Breast Cancer Screening
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/arti ... grams.aspx

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