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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby T21 on Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:13 pm

hoi.polloi wrote:Welcome, Turista/T21.

Thank you for writing cogently. Much appreciated.

Can you please tell us your personal views on Vance Packard and Guy Debord, and why you value their writings? I've never heard of them before and I am sure everyone is curious about new members' perspectives on available lit. It looks to me as though Packard is in the vein of Midwestern naturalist farmer-writer Thorstein Veblen (which Wikipedia suggests with a link) but he also worked for muckraking journals (no mark against him, I suppose) and Associated Press; Debord was a popular, artistic Marxist/socialist?

Looking at these characters, I wonder if we might consider starting a "muckraking" publication of sorts. Or perhaps we are already doing that.
:D


Thank you Hoi for the welcome... And the appreciation.

I don't have a view to the extent of their complete writings (I wish I had !) which I don't know in full.
I rather focused on their major (better "most known") writings when I understood that they could help to describe the society we live in.

Vance Packard to me means "Hidden Persuaders".
In wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vance_Pack ... Persuaders
The fact that towards the end of the 50s a then rather mainstream and not-so-known journalist exposed what was behind the advertising industry, including the usage of subliminal techniques and mentioning induced needs, is still surprising to me this day.
Although the landscape may have changed, in my opinion the basics remain the same and possibly are enforced by the expansion video communication had, becoming so pervasive.
Add the change from analog to digital and consequently the easier, increased possibility of changing (editing) the content of what is watched, obtaining therefore a change in what is perceived (and by extent how reality is lived), and you can understand why I found myself on the way to this forum :)

Guy debord to me is the author of " The Society of the Spectacle" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Societ ... _Spectacle) more than being a marxist or a situationist for that matter, although these aspects are obviously related.
If I may I'd quote his thesis (in quotes) as mentioned in wikipedia (link above):
<<Debord argues that the history of social life can be understood as "the decline of being into having, and having into merely appearing." This condition, according to Debord, is the "historical moment at which the commodity completes its colonization of social life."
The spectacle is the inverted image of society in which relations between commodities have supplanted relations between people, in which "passive identification with the spectacle supplants genuine activity". "The spectacle is not a collection of images," Debord writes, "rather, it is a social relationship between people that is mediated by images.">>
According to that, anyone is more likely to be considered real for their peer society if they are part of the spectacle, therefore if they are perceived through images and those who diffuse (distribute) images.

Now think about 9/11 and all the media fakery cases so well exposed here, up to last Sunday Marche Republicaine.
As rhetorical the question may be: doesn't it look like a continuous, ubiquitous and self-referential show ?
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby DodgerFan on Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:12 am

Hello everyone...

I have been lurking on your board the last 4-5 years and love to view the various topics. And I would be happy to continue just viewing. However, last night I saw something so crazy I felt I should register and share what I came across.

I am from and live in the Los Angeles area. Growing up in LA I have had a unique opportunity to work and be exposed to various tv and film productions. Never thought the theatrics exposed on Clues would ever happen up until a few occurrences that caught my eye as being an obvious sham. No idea how I found your forum but I'm glad I did. Hopefully I will be able to share any future thoughts I have on these crazy fake events. Thanks to everyone in advance for being part of such a great community.

Also...as mentioned above I came across a photo last night that was shared by another user in the "Paris Shooting" thread. Feel free to check out my post and comment as needed.

Thanks again...DodgerFan
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby pov603 on Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:08 am

Hi DodgerFan,
Welcome to the forum.
You mention that recently [at night] you saw something so crazy you felt you should register and share what you came across.
Can you provide some information about this?
Also, I note that you have two posts but only one seems to be visible which is your introduction can you let us know what or where the other post is?
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby brianv on Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:11 am

pov603 wrote:Hi DodgerFan,
Welcome to the forum.
You mention that recently [at night] you saw something so crazy you felt you should register and share what you came across.
Can you provide some information about this?
Also, I note that you have two posts but only one seems to be visible which is your introduction can you let us know what or where the other post is?


Here you go pov viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1762&p=2393444#p2393443
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby acuriousmind on Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:54 pm

Hello Simon / Hello Members!


I am from Germany and I am researching "NWO" topics for nearly 10 years now.


"The more you think you know the less you seem to know" is a motto which I stick to.


I am committed to find "some truth" in this world filled with lies, betrayal, selfishness and ignorance.

It's hard to figure out who you can trust and who not.


I started with being critical about the pharmaceutical industry and the "meat / dairy / egg" aka animal
exploiting industry which soon led to many more topics including 9/11 (and all those FF and hoaxes
like Octoberfest, Bologna, 7/7, Madrid, SH, Boston to name a few) and also many more topics like genetically
modified food, vaccination, the school-system, mind control, weather modification/control, chemical experiments
on the people and military, Bilderberg, CFR, FED, IMF, BG, Aspen Institute, Club of Rome, Zionism...



...and all those topics (and many many more) you come across researching why the world is as fucked up as it is.
This couldn't be all "made by chance"...no way.


All those topics are connected to each other. Of course.

I found out about your forum just recently after I was researching one of the newest FF / hoaxes
we we're facing namely "Charlie Hebdo" and wanted to contribute to the topic.

As I now realize I watched your documentary "september clues" before (as well as any available other documentation
on the topic in several languages - German, Italian, English) but did not realize that there was a forum about it.

So I would like to contribute to your forum and ask you for letting me in, Simon.

Regards from Germany!
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby HonestlyNow on Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:09 pm

acuriousmind wrote:I started with being critical about the pharmaceutical industry and the "meat / dairy / egg" . . .

Welcome, acuriousmind!

I'm a devoted fan of Dr. Robert Morse ND. Do you know about him? He's been helping to detoxify people of their health problems for over 40 years. (YouTube channel: robertmorsend, also further information, lots of reading here:
GrapeGate) How about that 17-year old girl who's being forced into chemotherapy ("Drano") in Connecticut, US? The lies we hear from the medical industry is as disgusting as the media fakery.

Thanks for joining our forum.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby acuriousmind on Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:30 pm

HonestlyNow wrote:
acuriousmind wrote:I started with being critical about the pharmaceutical industry and the "meat / dairy / egg" . . .

Welcome, acuriousmind!

I'm a devoted fan of Dr. Robert Morse ND. Do you know about him? He's been helping to detoxify people of their health problems for over 40 years. (YouTube channel: robertmorsend, also further information, lots of reading here:
GrapeGate) How about that 17-year old girl who's being forced into chemotherapy ("Drano") in Connecticut, US? The lies we hear from the medical industry is as disgusting as the media fakery.

Thanks for joining our forum.


I haven't heard about him yet, sry! I was more into the "bad" things they (The "Food-" and Pharmaindustry) are pushing on us.
Like Fluorides, Aspartame, Glutamate, genetically modified Food, Monsanto Roundup, vaccinations...you name it.

But of course I am interested in the topic still.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby hoi.polloi on Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:04 pm

Interesting how acuriousmind started posting so well, and then their posts rapidly devolved into Facebook-looking slapdash. What a shame.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby Selene on Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:36 pm

Se non è vero, è molto ben trovato
If it is not true it is very well invented
Giordano Bruno (1585)

Hi all, thank you simon,

great to have joined a forum where real science, critical reviews of your own and others thoughts and a thorough investigation into all the 'events' that unfortunately have spoiled the history books of the present and future too long, come together.

My path into the world of conspiracies and fakeries is relatively short and the 'giant leap (for mankind)' into the rabbit hole of fakery and deception is confronting but in a way comforting (especially the atomic weaponry).

Having read or browsed about 60-70% of the forum (excluding 9/11), I was delighted to see finally some science (and thus sense) in the break down of "what and how could things have really happened".

As you can see from my user name my main interest is space travel. I started off with Apollo just a year ago (before I just assumed it to be true, never investigated the subject) and over the time period I gained a lot of more insight in the topic. As I am a geologist and experienced in analysing (I will try to stick to British English) the Earth for quite a number of years, I looked at the footage of the "Moon" of these drugged clowns and immediately said "this is impossible".

Many authors have pointed at various impossibilities of the Apollo programme, but what still lacks is a complete review of all points. I am trying to make my contribution in this respect based on my understanding of the various natural sciences.

While reading through here, however, my world view collapsed into the realms of reality and realisation even more. Space travel, I have to consider, is impossible. That while the whole world, including me -before having this Eagle touch down in Reality Base- is convinced we can, is amazing and scientifically unsound.

I hope to contribute to the discussion on this level and will try to help re-educate especially scientists who (mostly as silently as I was, living in a world of National Geographic and NASA Disney shows, like the vast majority of mankind) should know and think better, and with a far more critical view on what's spoonfed to them as being the "truth". Giordano Bruno said this 430 years ago, did the world change that much?

The route many of us have taken is paved with people who are considered here as disinfo, noninfo or other "agents". It may be true or not that (some) of these people are "poisoning the well of fakery", so thoroughly drained here, but is that really relevant?

Is it not much more relevant that there are so many voices against the established world media and political views, and that that fact alone means people have the chance to wake up?

You can consider Alex Jones an overweight fearmongering actor. You can also see him as a force needed to reach a lot of people and especially show them his guests (who are in many ways more attractive to listen to than Alex).

You can judge Judy Wood a nagging woman who based her whole hypothesis on a false video, so well exposed by simon in September Clues. To me, before seeing SC, she and Dimitri Khazenov gave the most reliable scientific explanations.
And really, can we hold (these) people (morally) responsible for not (wanting) to see the full truth? It is a very hard offer to yourself to throw away certain world views (and what about book sales, she has to eat, like we all do, right?) and I cannot expect another person to do that. I can only offer, educate and let the facts convince them (or not). Getting frustrated about other people is a useless waste of energy.

Morally I am an anarchist, which means so much that I am a "governmental atheist". I do not believe in the concept that people should nor need to be "governed" -and especially not in their mente - mind- and I do not wish this interference to happen. In general I do not believe in non-merited authority. The best example of this of course is NASA, but this fact of humanity is destructive and yet so wildly praised. It's like a new religion. The state (and other false authority) as God, the Mass Media as disciples and the TV as church. Statism is far more dangerous and deadly (democide) than religious extremism, hence the fabricated focus on the latter.

Practically I am an agorist, meaning that I actively support non-governmental markets, which others would call "black". I strongly believe 99% of all people is peacefully living with each other and wish to trade, live and socialize without coercion, so voluntarily. This is very much the case on the continent I am living.

For more personal info, my inbox is open.

Nice to be here and I hope we will have a lot of food for thought coming.

My arrows can be sharpish, but my intentions are purely good

Selene

I much prefer the sharpest criticism of a single intelligent man to the thoughtless approval of the masses
Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby SteinUntStein on Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:21 pm

High!

Italian-American, 2nd generation
Trained in Philosophy (Ancient/Existentialism), Psychology
Used to teach, just sold my business.
Not doing much right now, getting ready to begin dialysis for PKD.
YouTube SteinUntStein
I have a website.
Many interests.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby HonestlyNow on Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:59 pm

SteinUntStein wrote:YouTube SteinUntStein

I get zero results for "steinuntstein" in YouTube.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby SteinUntStein on Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:33 pm

HonestlyNow wrote:
SteinUntStein wrote:YouTube SteinUntStein

I get zero results for "steinuntstein" in YouTube.

I get zero for your brain capacity.


********ADMIN NOTICE (simon)
What's up with these crabby ways, SteinUntStein? Couldn't you just have provided a direct link to your YT channel?
:huh:
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby HonestlyNow on Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:27 pm

SteinUntStein wrote:
HonestlyNow wrote:
SteinUntStein wrote:YouTube SteinUntStein

I get zero results for "steinuntstein" in YouTube.

I get zero for your brain capacity.

Now that you have videos up (yes, I see you made your channel Nov 2011), your channel shows up in the search results — with two videos that you uploaded yesterday.

What's with your poor attitude? I saw the post you left for fbenario (I believe it was) with this same attitude before it was deleted. For a forum that looks to get to the truth, your own honesty seems to be lacking in some respects.

Image

[reason for edit: replace image link with smaller image]

[edit number two]
Correction: SteinUntStein uploaded one video, which resulted in two entries for the search result list.
Last edited by HonestlyNow on Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:25 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby Flabbergasted on Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:52 pm

SteinUntStein wrote:High!

Italian-American, 2nd generation
Trained in Philosophy (Ancient/Existentialism), Psychology
Used to teach, just sold my business.
Not doing much right now, getting ready to begin dialysis for PKD.
YouTube SteinUntStein
I have a website.
Many interests.

I smell a bot.
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Re: REQUIRED: Introduce Yourself

Unread postby Seneca on Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:28 am

Remember our discussion about avoiding baseless accusations?
It starts about here:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=485&start=2715#p2391022

It ended with the following.

Seneca wrote:Maybe I am missing something due to lack of forum experience.

hoi.polloi wrote: Good Guess


You mean you did experience someone exposing a troll and driving him out without any moderator involvement?? Then please provide a link to put some more facts into this discussion.
(and maybe you let me buy the rights to turn the story into a Hollywood movie?)


Well, I think we just witnessed someone exposing a troll and driving him out without much moderator involvement. SteinUntStein hasn't logged on since he made that nasty remark to HonestlyNow. Good work, especially HonestlyNow!
So am reconsidering what I wrote back then. (But maybe I am overlooking what the moderators did.)
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