SacredCowSlayer » October 1st, 2016, 7:17 am wrote: ObamaSimLaden » September 30th, 2016, 1:48 pm wrote:
I'm always trying to learn and pick up clues in the world around me. Of late, I'm into esoteric & occult symbolism in TV, Movies and staged events, false flags, Moon Fakery, Predictive programming, War/history propaganda. I've spent 100's of hours absorbing/researching info on 911, Moon fakery, False flag/hoax events. I question everything and who profits from said event.
Welcome OSL (feel free to refer to me as SCS),
From the language you use above, it appears that you know the difference between an outright hoax and a "false flag". Please correct my assumption if I'm wrong about that.
New members often come on here and use the terms (hoax and "false flag") interchangeably, either because they are just new to the research, or they never learned the difference. But I want to make sure you get started here on the right foot (so we are on the same page as to their meanings), especially as it relates to such an important use of language on this forum. The term "false flag" gets batted around loosely (sometimes out of ignorance, and other times as a disinfo tactic) on TY comments, chat boards, and elsewhere.
What event (recent or historical, if any) do you consider to be a genuine "false flag"? This is not a "gotcha question", so if you don't know or can't think of one that's okay as far as I'm concerned. I just like to ask that question, because I'm genuinely curious.
Additionally (and easier IMO), which event(s) (as few or as many examples as you prefer) do you consider outright hoaxes?
Consider yourself blessed to have discovered this site. Many curious and suspicious (suspicious of the govern-media) people never make it here before (sadly) getting safely diverted to a professional disinformation clown like Alex Jones, Veteran's Today, etc.
The understanding of "Vicsims" is absolutely critical to understanding 9/11 and many other hoaxes. It's a key piece to an otherwise impossibly confusing puzzle. For me, it took a good number of months to fully wrap my mind around the concept, even though the evidence to support it was vast and clear.
How AND when (approximately) did you find CF, and thus learn of Vicsims and have that "ah-ha" moment that is common to many of us here?
I'm always curious about how a person winds up here. Feel free to private message or email me at SacredCowSlayer@gmail.com
if you'd like (but please- not as a substitute for an appropriate reply on this "topic").
I always try to give new members the benefit of the doubt at first. You may scroll back to the recent exchange between me, CluedIn, and our recently SUNK SUBMARINE known as "Shopguy" to see just how patient and reasonable we are (at times even to a fault from my standpoint). Thank you for providing us with some VERY BASIC information about topics that interest you (stark contrast to Shopguy).
Welcome again, and I look forward to straight answers to our (me and Hoi) very straightforward questions.
Yes I understand the difference between False Flag and Hoax. I knew in short time 911 was not what they told us as I alluded to in my intro. I had also read Gore Vidal's book Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace after and he claimed Roosevelt know of the impending Pearl Harbor attacks and either didn't relay the info to the troops or had a stand down order. The big wigs and probably the corporations and British wanted us in the European war, but felt it wasn't possible to get support without some sort of event like that to galvanize support. This paralleled the PNAC needing a "new Pearl Harbor" for their Iraq invasion agenda and patriot act. Then you can go back to "remember the Maine", which is another known false flag and it starts to make sense. I'm not saying I have any definitive answers, only theories. I recall reading that Roosevelt goaded the Japs into attacking us too and we had blocked their acquisition of rubber and/or oil in the pacific. Again, I've followed these trails, not always in a coherent manner, but there's some interesting history about the rubber trade. Have you ever heard of Fordlandia in Brazil? Really interesting story. Golden age of globalization effects we never learned about in school. The movie Fitzcarraldo hints at this and we see similarities. There's another documentary about rubber plantations in Africa owned by Firestone and there was a movie based on it who's name escapes me, but I saw it a year or so ago about the exploitation of labor and people who managed them. The search for more plentiful and cheaper/profitable rubber (this is what led Henry Ford to establish Fordlandia). I'm drifting off topic.
Anyway, I'm educated enough to know wars are always waged over strategic resources, with some cover story the masses can get behind. Very similar to elections using abortion, gay rights, gun control or flavor of the day to garner votes. It makes me sick to see friends of mine fall for this shit, like any of these candidates really care about them or their cause(s). For the record they are both horrible people. I'm independent and don't support either.
So to answer your question on genuine false flags. The Maine (Spanish/American war). I don't claim to know much about that war other than that. The Reichstag fire. Bay of Pigs (again my memory is cloudy). I know of the planned Operation Northwoods that never happened and 911 I believe. Hoax's Sandy Hook, WDBJ shooting, Umpqua CC, Paris, Belgium airport, Orlando Pulse to name a few....God, there's so may of them in the past few years it's incredible. They get worse and worse and more unbelievable (to the awake).
I first became aware of "hoaxes" a year or so after Sandy hook. I didn't pay much attention at the time as I rarely watch news. Someone on an unrelated internet group posted something about Sandy hook being a hoax and I thought it a peculiar word and thought. I wondered what made that person think such a thing (I also always thought of hoax in terms of something fun/funny/tricky..Sandy hook obviously not a fun thought...maybe that was my own lack of understanding). I did some searching and watched dozens of hours of youtube videos on the subject and became convinced it was all fake and made up and/or part of a drill. I became aware of crisis actors and the companies that hire/train them. Even one was run by Chris Kyle oddly enough. His death might have been a big hoax to sell movie tickets and make another false "hero" for all we know. It certainly was strange. Then I started seeing all the hallmarks in other hoaxes perpetrated about every other week and just couldn't' believe people were falling for this stuff, but if you aren't looking/listening with a critical eye/ear, I guess it just glosses over in your mind and it's on TV so you believe it must be true. (another clever line referenced in the Shining...Kubrick tipping us off about things).
I only heard of vicsims a year or two ago. Some over at Lets roll, youtube and some here, though I don't recall if I heard the actual term there. I think someone here did one on Brevik? where the supposed perpetrator was digitized. That is one hoax I wasn't familiar with, but the person who discussed it was convincing in light of the other BS I was seeing. I also think Adam Lanza was not a real person. A digital composite or something. But it didn't take that knowledge to know these were hoaxes. It just added to the evidence. I think a lot of the 911 plane victims were made up or recycled identities too..as well as the narrative. I guess 911 would be considered a False Flag with hoaxy elements mixed in. Adam Lanza's father even looked familiar to me like I had seen him as a 911 victim, but I was never able to prove that. I definitely think people died on 911, but as I think I stated. I expected a body count 10-20 times the official # at least. It's a miracle more didn't die in Manhattan.
Have you guys seen anything about IXXI being coded in other symbols? I can't get into it or explain it well now, but it was pretty fascinating. Lately I'm very interested in MKUltra and see references to it in all kinds of movies/tv shows. And after reading threads here I'm very intrigued by the idea of the Atomic bomb and radioactivity being fabricated or embellished at a minimum. I'm still looking into that and trying to make sense of it, but it fits right in with the Moon landing stuff and ties to freemasonry possibly. I even thought I might have found a clue in "Hail Caesar", but I'm in the midst of trying to confirm if my suspicions are correct or if I'm extrapolating too much. If you've seen the movie, it's rather interesting that a Lockheed executive is trying to recruit a Hollywood studio head to come work for him (on developing the A bomb). He's not a scientist, he's a fixer. All the characters in the movie turn out to be the opposite or different than they first appear (typical TV celeb stuff) too. There's a communist vs capitalist element, a religious element and the primary theme of the movies is "faith". I'm sure if I can put it all together in my head there's a connection to hint that the bomb was or needs his help in being faked. Throughout the movie he has a dilemma of whether or not to take the Lockheed job (seemingly more important and rewarding ..maybe even moral obligation?) or stay where he is. There are all kinds of fakery going around behind the scenes too, between TV image stuff, tabloids, phony romance, gay/straight/blackmail, unwed pregnancy, fake adoption, ransom, that it all seems to add up. It parallels the theory that Kubrick helped fake the moon landing. I can post it here in the appropriate forum once I've put it together. I haven't yet found anyone else who's made the connection. I've learned a lot from others and this is the second one I've put together myself without outside help or influence.
I don't recall how I found this site. I was probably searching something and came up in search. Most likely to do with movies/entertainment clues, but I honestly don't recall. I bookmarked it and came back from time to time, but wasn't always here regularly. There's a lot to digest in the big threads and then some other threads I find are nonsense or poorly thought out. It could have also been hoax research that led me here (at least the 2nd and further times). I apologize for any syntex error. I'm not great at the multi quoting thing and think faster than I can write. I haven't frequented any forums in years.